On 10:11 Tue 23 Dec 2008, Eric Springer wrote:

Hi all,

I'm writing a review of OpenSUSE 11.1 and having just written an early draft of it -- I'd like to ask for some community feedback before anything gets finalized. Perhaps replies to the criticism, back stories, or anything else you think should be included / omitted.

I have temporarily housed the rough draft at: http://www.erikina.com/reviews/opensuse-review.html

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Eric Springer escribió:

I have temporarily housed the rough draft at: http://www.erikina.com/reviews/opensuse-review.html

a) Your "software managment" problem is an user error, it is doing exactly what is expected to do, telling you that the DVD is not there. b) About the "software selection", you are welcome to contribute packages to the "Contrib" repository. c) about the "duplicate repository" thing, there is a feature request open to implement detection of that problem. -- "We have art in order not to die of the truth" - Friedrich Nietzsche Cristian Rodríguez R. Platform/OpenSUSE - Core Services SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research & Development http://www.opensuse.org/

I just noticed I've been replying to the individual posters rather than the mailing list. Sorry to those people, and to everyone else, here were my replies. Sorry for the confusion On Dec 23, 2008 10:23am, Magnus Boman wrote:

* gnome/Gnome => GNOME

Fixed.

* SLAB grabs the keyboard by default, hence you can't do a print screen.

Not a bug (and can the lock can be turned off btw). Use gimp or start

gnome-screenshot -i to make screenshots.

Thanks. I'll take my own screenshots of it.

* From the Application Browser, you can right-click on an app and then

"Add to favorites" and it'll show up in the main menu

Thanks, although I have had no problems with that. It isn't a substitute for a nice search :)

* Opensuse (and all variants) => openSUSE (or OpenSUSE if it starts a

sentence)

Fixed

Cheers,

Magnus

Thanks for that Magnus, I've fixed it in my local copy. I won't update the version on the net, so I don't take you replies out of context. I'll have it all proof read later, but a few of those might have gone missed. On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:

a) Your "software managment" problem is an user error, it is doing exactly what is expected to do, telling you that the DVD is not there.

I'm completely aware of that, but I believe it's pretty counter intuitive for a user, and forces novices to keep using the DVD even if they'd rather just download. It's really exposing too much of the underlying (repository) system to the user.

b) About the "software selection", you are welcome to contribute packages to the "Contrib" repository.

The software selection seems fine, it's just hard to find from a user point of view.

c) about the "duplicate repository" thing, there is a feature request open to implement detection of that problem.

Hopefully it gets done soon, in just a few hours of testing, I had some repositories duplicated 3 times. On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Rob OpenSuSE wrote:

This is far nicer than removing the DVD from the repository list,

It is. Thanks for the tip, I didn't even think of it -- but it appears to be working well now.

and you can now export that mount via NFS, and make the DVD available over the net to other machines, allowing network installs to DVD-less PCs, and faster no-hassle software installation via the net.

I think you were a bit lucky with the hardware, lots of ppl on forums and mail lists have problems with Audio, certain graphics drivers performing poorly. I have a whole raft of stuff that is Bugzilla worthy, the problem is more choosing where best to focus efforts.

I did exercise a bit of caution when buying hardware, to only get well supported stuff. Perhaps my results are atypical. I'll be sure to test it over a larger variety of hardware.

As for the Usability, I thought the core YaST2 stuff was generally good, though some of the new things, like the partitioner in stall are rather confusing.

Agreed. On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Markus wrote:

I didn't even need to read it to see that you only focus on GNOME. openSUSE's main DEs are GNOME and KDE 4.1.3. The very least you should do is to review the KDE part as well. And if you want to make something special, review its XFCE implementation as well, because nobody else does it

Hi Markus, Just so you know, I have installed and tested XFCE, KDE 3.5 and KDE 4.1 in openSUSE 11.1. The major issue is, that this isn't a DE review -- but one of openSUSE. And I chose to use GNOME because: a) GNOME is currently a lot more popular (in general) than KDE b) KDE 4.1 in my humble opinion was a worse experience than KDE 3.5, which would make reviewing KDE quite cumbersome and very opinionated. c) My personal preference was for GNOME, in my opinion it really stood out. I'll be sure to mention the great job openSUSE has done in catering for everyone though =) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Tirsdag 23 december 2008 01:11:49 skrev Eric Springer:

I'm writing a review of OpenSUSE 11.1 and having just written an early draft of it -- I'd like to ask for some community feedback before anything gets finalized. Perhaps replies to the criticism, back stories, or anything else you think should be included / omitted.

I have temporarily housed the rough draft at: http://www.erikina.com/reviews/opensuse-review.html

Maybe you should mention, that while you're reviewing GNOME, ~70% of openSUSE users prefer KDE. >:-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org