On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:38 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 27/01/2011 09:17, Thomas Schmidt wrote:

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The openSUSE board election[1] closed today, so we have 2 new members on the board replacing Pascal Bleser and Henne Vogelsang.

Election results:

Henne Vogelsang, 125 votes Peter Linnell, 72 votes

Sankar P, 71 votes Sebastion Kuegler, 64 votes Chuck Payne, 39 votes Nelson Marques, 23 votes

which makes 220 votes out of 469 members who were eligible to vote. Thanks for all candidates who stepped up and all members who casted their votes!

Greetings from the election committee! (election-officials@opensuse.org)

[1] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election_2010

Please forgive me for asking 3 stupid questions:

1) if Henne was being replaced (together with Pascal), how did he manage to get 125 votes?;

2) who, in fact got elected to the board?; and

3) adding up 125+72+71+64+39+23 does not result in a total of 220 votes ("out of 469...."). How is the sum of 220 votes you quote above arrived at?

Thank you for your patience.

BC

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Basil, Henne at first didn't say he was going to re-run, he could because he had only ran once. Henne is now going to serve his second term, and Peter Linnel going to replace Pascal, who couldn't run because he has server twice. On voting each member got to vote twice as their two seats open. --Pup -- ----------------------------------------- Discover it! Enjoy it! Share it! openSUSE Linux. ----------------------------------------- openSUSE -- en.opensuse.org/User:Terrorpup openSUSE Ambassador/openSUSE Member skype,twiiter,identica,friendfeed -- terrorpup freenode(irc) --terrorpup/lupinstein Register Linux Userid: 155363 Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD,  an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Le jeudi 27 janvier 2011, à 18:02 +1100, Basil Chupin a écrit :

Henne was elected in the same year as Pascal (2008) [http://en.opensuse.org/Archive:Board_2008], and in the list of board members after the 2009 elections he is shown, together with Pascal, as a board member:

http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board

Does this mean that in both 2008 and 2009 he was elected as a one-year board member? Even if this was the case, doesn't this mean that he has done the hard-slog of 2 years on the board?

Board members are elected for two years. See http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election#Term: You should probably take time to read the whole rules. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On 27/01/2011 18:15, Vincent Untz wrote:

Le jeudi 27 janvier 2011, à 18:02 +1100, Basil Chupin a écrit :

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Henne was elected in the same year as Pascal (2008) [http://en.opensuse.org/Archive:Board_2008], and in the list of board members after the 2009 elections he is shown, together with Pascal, as a board member:

http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board

Does this mean that in both 2008 and 2009 he was elected as a one-year board member? Even if this was the case, doesn't this mean that he has done the hard-slog of 2 years on the board? Board members are elected for two years. See http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election#Term:

You should probably take time to read the whole rules.

Vincent

I did. Which is why I am asking the questions. If Henne was elected in 2008 together with Pascal then his time was up. But the rules also talk about people being elected for a 2-year term are to be elected before those who are candidates for 1-year term. So in which category did Pascal and Henne belong back in the 2008 election - 2-year or 1-year term? (And Henne is shown as a board member after the 2009 election.) So why isn't this clearly spelt out when the elections are announced: so-and-so is to be elected for a 2-year term and so-and-so for a 1-year term? This is all I am asking as I am confused - nothing more and nothing less. As I stated, perhaps there should be more clarity about what is announced after each election as to who are now the board members and for what period. Also as stated, this is just a suggestion. BC -- Left to themselves, things tend to go from bad to worse. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On 27/01/2011 19:59, Alin Marin Elena wrote:

On 27 January 2011 08:53, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 27/01/2011 18:15, Vincent Untz wrote:

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Le jeudi 27 janvier 2011, à 18:02 +1100, Basil Chupin a écrit :

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Henne was elected in the same year as Pascal (2008) [http://en.opensuse.org/Archive:Board_2008], and in the list of board members after the 2009 elections he is shown, together with Pascal, as a board member:

http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board

Does this mean that in both 2008 and 2009 he was elected as a one-year board member? Even if this was the case, doesn't this mean that he has done the hard-slog of 2 years on the board? Board members are elected for two years. See http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election#Term:

You should probably take time to read the whole rules.

Vincent I did.

Which is why I am asking the questions.

If Henne was elected in 2008 together with Pascal then his time was up.

But the rules also talk about people being elected for a 2-year term are to be elected before those who are candidates for 1-year term.

So in which category did Pascal and Henne belong back in the 2008 election - 2-year or 1-year term? (And Henne is shown as a board member after the 2009 election.)

So why isn't this clearly spelt out when the elections are announced: so-and-so is to be elected for a 2-year term and so-and-so for a 1-year term?

This is all I am asking as I am confused - nothing more and nothing less.

As I stated, perhaps there should be more clarity about what is announced after each election as to who are now the board members and for what period. Also as stated, this is just a suggestion.

Basil you can take a horse to the river but you cannot make it drink water... Alin And the subtly hidden "Da Vinci" code behind what you just posted is........? :-) Aaaaaah...I think I see what you are trying to say...... And if I do see, then it is a very great pity, isn't it? :-(. BC -- Left to themselves, things tend to go from bad to worse. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On 27/01/2011 17:57, Thomas Schmidt wrote:

On 01/27/2011 06:38 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 27/01/2011 09:17, Thomas Schmidt wrote:

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The openSUSE board election[1] closed today, so we have 2 new members on the board replacing Pascal Bleser and Henne Vogelsang.

Election results:

Henne Vogelsang, 125 votes Peter Linnell, 72 votes

Sankar P, 71 votes Sebastion Kuegler, 64 votes Chuck Payne, 39 votes Nelson Marques, 23 votes Plus Kostas, whom I forgot in the original announcement by mistake:

Kostas Koudaras, 20 votes.

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which makes 220 votes out of 469 members who were eligible to vote. Thanks for all candidates who stepped up and all members who casted their votes!

Greetings from the election committee! (election-officials@opensuse.org)

[1] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election_2010 Please forgive me for asking 3 stupid questions:

1) if Henne was being replaced (together with Pascal), how did he manage to get 125 votes?; Henne was running for a second term, and replaced himself ;-) Pascal already served two terms, so he has to step back for at least one term.

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2) who, in fact got elected to the board?; and Assumed that they will accept the results, Henne and Peter Linnell got elected to the board.

Thank you Thomas. Fine, but who, in fact, are the members of the the board after the election process?

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3) adding up 125+72+71+64+39+23 does not result in a total of 220 votes ("out of 469...."). How is the sum of 220 votes you quote above arrived at? My wording was bad. We had 220 members participating in the ballot. Each of them was allowed to give up to two votes, but some only voted for one candidate, that's why we don't have 440 votes.

Ah, OK, thank you Thomas. BC -- Left to themselves, things tend to go from bad to worse. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

Le 27/01/2011 06:38, Basil Chupin a écrit :

On 27/01/2011 09:17, Thomas Schmidt wrote:

1) if Henne was being replaced (together with Pascal), how did he manage to get 125 votes?;

it seems there is some clarification needed. the page: http://en.opensuse.org/Board say (end of the page): * November 8th, 2007 : 1st openSUSE Board - Pascal Bleser, Francis Giannaros, Andreas Jaeger (chairman), Stephan Kulow, Federico Mena-Quintero. * October 27th, 2008 : 2nd openSUSE Board - Pascal Bleser, Michael Loeffler (chairman), Federico Mena-Quintero*, Stephen Shaw, Henne Vogelsang, Bryen Yunashko (*Stephen Shaw stepped in as interim Board Member for remainder of Federico Mena-Quintero's term May 2009). * December 22th, 2009 : 3rd openSUSE Board - Pascal Bleser, Rupert Horstkötter, Michael Loeffler (chairman), Pavol Rusnak, Henne Vogelsang, Bryen Yunashko. (I don't see what is the meaning of the "*" after some names) and this one: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election#Term: "openSUSE board members can serve for up to two consecutive election periods. After that they must stand down for at least one election period, but may run again after the one election period break." these rules are from nov 2010 only. So Pascal was board member for 3 years and have to wait one year before being able to apply again, if ever he wants to :-), according to the new rules Henne was member for two years, so reading strictly he shouldn't have been allowed to be candidate this time, why did the election commity allow this (they may be a perfectly reasonable reason, I have nothing at all against Henne)? It would be a good practice to not for each board member the election date and the due term thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-project+help@opensuse.org

On 27.01.2011 10:31, jdd wrote:

Le 27/01/2011 06:38, Basil Chupin a écrit :

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On 27/01/2011 09:17, Thomas Schmidt wrote:

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1) if Henne was being replaced (together with Pascal), how did he manage to get 125 votes?;

it seems there is some clarification needed.

the page: http://en.opensuse.org/Board

say (end of the page):

* November 8th, 2007 : 1st openSUSE Board - Pascal Bleser, Francis Giannaros, Andreas Jaeger (chairman), Stephan Kulow, Federico Mena-Quintero.

* October 27th, 2008 : 2nd openSUSE Board - Pascal Bleser, Michael Loeffler (chairman), Federico Mena-Quintero*, Stephen Shaw, Henne Vogelsang, Bryen Yunashko (*Stephen Shaw stepped in as interim Board Member for remainder of Federico Mena-Quintero's term May 2009).

* December 22th, 2009 : 3rd openSUSE Board - Pascal Bleser, Rupert Horstkötter, Michael Loeffler (chairman), Pavol Rusnak, Henne Vogelsang, Bryen Yunashko.

(I don't see what is the meaning of the "*" after some names)

and this one: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election#Term:

"openSUSE board members can serve for up to two consecutive election periods. After that they must stand down for at least one election period, but may run again after the one election period break."

these rules are from nov 2010 only.

So Pascal was board member for 3 years and have to wait one year before being able to apply again, if ever he wants to :-), according to the new rules

Henne was member for two years, so reading strictly he shouldn't have been allowed to be candidate this time, why did the election commity allow this (they may be a perfectly reasonable reason, I have nothing at all against Henne)?

All board seats usually have an election period of 2 years, and you can serve up to two subsequent periods. As Pascal already was a member of the first 'bootstrapping' board 2007 and got elected for 2 years 2008, he has to pause now for this election period. Henne wasn't member of the first board, and is now starting his second period. We have a graphic showing the board membership timeline: http://img.susepaste.org/48399583 As you can see, we will have an election again next year, with 3 seats to get elected. Rupert and Pavol may candidate again, but Bryen has to step back in the next elections as he already served the last two periodes in the board. Greetings

It would be a good practice to not for each board member the election date and the due term

thanks jdd

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jdd, As part of the Foundation effort, the current election rules may need some small wording updates (I noticed some grammatical errors for example). I added your proposed clarification to the Foundation portal page so that it doesn't get lost and to help us remember to resolve the current confusing wording. Alan

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On 1/27/2011 at 07:32 AM, in message <4D418212.1050700@dodin.org>, jdd wrote: Le 27/01/2011 15:15, Thomas Schmidt a écrit :

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All board seats usually have an election period of 2 years, and you can serve up to two subsequent periods.

oh... so it's the term "election period" that is confusing. May be because language differences.

there is an election each year, so "election period" can be seen as the time between two elections (that is one year).

As you explain it, it's the lenght of time one is elected.

may be we could rewrite a little the rules to make them more easy to understand, stating that somebody can be elected like any american president (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Co nstitution)

this amendment says:

"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once"

we could say:

"No person shall be elected to the openSUSE board more than twice in a row, and no person who has held the board for more than one years of a term to which some other person was elected as board member shall be elected to the board more than once.

One year after the end of his last term, a former member of the board can be candidate again."

or anything similar (notice the work "term" used for the time a President is elected)

thanks for the clarification

jdd

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