On 2/24/21 2:17 PM, David Huffman wrote:

My understanding of yin and yang as a random American: one means good and the other evil. Since they're being applied to SLE and openSUSE, aren't we effectively labeling one of the two evil? For numerous reasons, I would like to avoid risking such an interpretation of openSUSE's marketing content.

Same concern here, as a random Spaniard. ;-) I also perceive a big risk of that being interpreted as a bad vs evil thing. And if the idea needs to be carefully explained in order to not be misunderstood, then I think it should not be used as a central marketing idea. Cheers -- Ancor González Sosa YaST Team at SUSE Software Solutions

On 2/24/21 3:11 PM, Gerald Pfeifer wrote:

On Wed 2021-02-24, ddemaio wrote:

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A good symbol to go along with the release of openSUSE Leap 15.3 I believe is the yin and yang. I propose that artwork to market this release show the symbiotic relationship of Leap and SLE with a yin yang design. Totally. In fact, Yin and Yang is something I have *literally* used in the context of Leap and SLE, also visually.

Though I've been used the concept to talk to the connectedness of the two, the mutual flow between them, not labeling one as Yin, the other as Yang.

From a Yoga perspective, SLE would be more on the Yin-y side than Leap, though using the concepts "active" and "receptive" the two really balance out nicely -- which really is key to our story.

Gerald

Perhaps the title was not the best, but it was more about getting attention. While drafting the release announcement, I was using it like: The newest minor version of [openSUSE Leap](https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Leap https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Leap) is as conservative a release as previous versions, but there is one huge change from the previous Leap versions; openSUSE Leap 15.3 is built not just from [SUSE Linux Enterprise](https://www.suse.com/products/server/ https://www.suse.com/products/server/) source code like  in previous versions, but Leap is now built with the exact same binary packages, which connect the flow between Leap and SLE like a yin yang. That being said, it might serve as an opportunity to bring some knowledge to the symbol. Maybe linking the yin yang to https://youtu.be/ezmR9Attpyc While the symbol can be misunderstand by some cultures, other cultures will understand it. This could spark conversation, which can give people more reasons to talk about the release. But that might not work as intended since some people might not take the time to find out more. Of course, I can change it to something different. We can also use the symbolism similarly but instead of two, images can use three sides. Something like TW > Leap > SLE. v/r Doug

As I understand this we're trying to show how 15.3 and SLE are inter connected is this correct? If so then there are some cultures that have a problem with Yin-Yang. While this may not be the place may I recommend 2 geekos side by side one with SLE written on it the other with Leap 15.3 on it. 1. both facing each other in an about to hug type of pose 2. a triskelion type of logo with the geekos in a chase like pose this could be used in a yin-yang way but with the version in the circle where the dot would be 3. in what even I consider expendable 2 geekos face to face in an about to kiss pose I freely admit that my ideas may not be original as such for those may want to ridicule as far as I'm concerned you're preforgiven.

On Wed 2021-02-24, Aaron Burgemeister wrote:

Yin and yang are more about opposites (dualism) than anything judgmental (good and evil), or that is my understanding.

That's also the image I had in mind: two elements intertwined, engaging with one another, complementing each other.

Anyway, I think there could be some value in this (yin/yang) comparison, but there may also be some drawbacks to consider while moving forward.

When I talked to a journalist a week ago, without ever talking about yin and yang, though admittedly using my hands to help articulate the dynamics, she asked me about yin and yang. https://www.datacenterknowledge.com/open-source/opensuse-leap-ready-be-new-c... has the article that came out of that. It also has a graphics that a colleague with much better design skills than me created based on a paper and pencil sketch of mine. And that, too, has a bit of that.

One feeds into the other, and in the same way I believe Tumbleweed feeds into Leap, so I have typically appreciated (as somebody who has been around SUSE for a while, so not a newbie in that regard) more of a continuum of Tumbleweed -> Leap -> SLE, which can celebrate the fun/excitement/newness of Tumbleweed, the practicality of Leap, and the stability of SLE without passing much other judgment.

If you aren't part of that yet, please consider joining the openSUSE marketing team! (Seriously.) On Wed 2021-02-24, ddemaio wrote:

Perhaps the title was not the best, but it was more about getting attention.

It worked. And it resonates. The only pitful would be labeling one explicitly as yin, the other as yang (or anything good-bad or black- white, which of course the classic symbol is). Gerald

On Mi, Feb 24, 2021 at 11:38, ddemaio wrote:

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Hi again. A good symbol to go along with the release of openSUSE Leap 15.3 I believe is the yin and yang.  I propose that artwork to market this release show the symbiotic relationship of Leap and SLE with a yin yang design. The imagery should help with the marketing. I put the topic in the marketing work group notes - https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/153wg. If you have any designs you want to share or other ideas on this topic, I'd love to read it. v/r Doug

I'm attaching my idea in the attachment and we will see how the mailing lists like it >:D I like the direction it's going. I'm not so keen on the hard edges of

Hi Sasi, On 3/12/21 12:20 PM, Sasi Olin wrote: the chameleons. A smoother outline of the chameleons might be better. Not sure what everyone else thinks about it and would like to hear back from more people. The colors are spot on. Do you think the design will elongate well for things like banners for social media, etc? v/r Doug

On Mon 2021-03-15, Sasi Olin wrote:

Attaching what it looks like rounder

Personally I like the rounder one better. :) We probably don't want to start a 450 mails thread on this here ;-), do we have a simple voting platform we could use? Doesn't need anonymity, and all the extra things our official one has, just +1 or the like. Gerald

On 3/16/21 3:01 PM, Lars Vogdt wrote:

On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 13:27:37 +0100 (CET) Gerald Pfeifer wrote:

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We probably don't want to start a 450 mails thread on this here ;-), do we have a simple voting platform we could use? Doesn't need anonymity, and all the extra things our official one has, just +1 or the like. If we had a "{next|own}cloud openSUSE member installation", it would be a simple poll ;-)

But what about https://survey.opensuse.org/ ? It broke after the power outage I think? But we can use it when it is back up and running. We have some time. v/r Doug

Hi all, I've started a survey at https://survey.opensuse.org/ to see which of the two designs the community likes best to marketing openSUSE Leap 15.3. There is just one question and the survey will run until April 1. v/r Doug

ddemaio - 10:58 18.03.21 wrote:

Hi all, I've started a survey at https://survey.opensuse.org/ to see which of the two designs the community likes best to marketing openSUSE Leap 15.3. There is just one question and the survey will run until April 1.

Hi, took a look and maybe I haven't gone far enough, but both designs looks the same to me, just different aspect ratio, is it correct?

On Thu, Mar 18, 2021, at 11:34, Michal Hrusecky wrote:

ddemaio - 10:58 18.03.21 wrote:

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Hi all, I've started a survey at https://survey.opensuse.org/ to see which of the two designs the community likes best to marketing openSUSE Leap 15.3. There is just one question and the survey will run until April 1.

Hi,

took a look and maybe I haven't gone far enough, but both designs looks the same to me, just different aspect ratio, is it correct?

no 1 has blocky lined geeko's and 1 has smooth lines