Greg Freemyer wrote:

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:53 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

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Greg Freemyer wrote:

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All,

I haven't done a mockup in 15 years. Back then I would normally use Delphi because I could get a great looking UI pretty quick and then start working on the implementation details after the fact.

I need to do a new mockup and I don't have any idea what a good language tool is.

My main languages are C (10+ years), C++ (5 years), Delphi (3 years). I've done some ruby on rails stuff as well (maybe 1 year combined).

I'm thinking HTML5 is the way to go these days for user interface layer. (Lots of tools in my space use a web interface, but old fashion HTML is boring, and flash is dieing.)

HTML5 is, imho, mostly more bells and whistles. For a mockup, plain old-fashioned html+css will probably do fine.

Mockups are all about bells and whistles if you're trying to raise money to do the full development. (That's my situation).

I have seen applications written with a HTML5 front-end that are really functional. I don't see doing that in html+css.

You meant to say application mockups right? I mean, lots of functional applications have been written with a html+css frontend. Well, plus javascript of course. TBH, I don't know much about html5, maybe there's more to it than I thought. /Per -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-programming+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-programming+owner@opensuse.org

Greg Freemyer wrote:

The webui for build.opensuse.org is written via ruby on rails. The ruby application runs on the server and outputs html+css+javascript to the webserver for the web browser to run.

It looks okay, but it still looks and feels like a web page.

I've seen apps that have their webui written in html5 that make you think you're running a local native app. I have no idea what they were written in on the back end.

Okay, I misunderstood - you're really after a proper GUI (a la something written for Qt) mockup. I don't know how much one can do with tcl/tk these days, but I remember colleagues of mine doing nifty little things with it 10-15 years ago under CDE. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (2.5°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-programming+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-programming+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 09:53 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:

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I haven't done a mockup in 15 years. Back then I would normally use Delphi because I could get a great looking UI pretty quick and then start working on the implementation details after the fact. I need to do a new mockup and I don't have any idea what a good language tool is. My main languages are C (10+ years), C++ (5 years), Delphi (3 years). I've done some ruby on rails stuff as well (maybe 1 year combined). I'm thinking HTML5 is the way to go these days for user interface layer. (Lots of tools in my space use a web interface, but old fashion HTML is boring, and flash is dieing.) HTML5 is, imho, mostly more bells and whistles. For a mockup, plain old-fashioned html+css will probably do fine.

Are there any *working* Open Source HTML5 design tools that would be useful for an application of any real complexity? [an HTML5 equivalent to GLADE] Or do you mean to just mock-up by cranking out hand-written HTML forms and [ugh!] Javascript. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-programming+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-programming+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2012-10-29 11:38, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

I haven't found anything equivalent to the form designer, etc... I had back with Borland & OWL [the last 'Windows' development tool I paid for].

As far as that, Lazarus has a form designer. I didn't have a chance to compare with current Delphi, though. And I have not tried to use databases with Lazarus myself, my apps are simpler. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlCOY2AACgkQja8UbcUWM1xMPAD/a7unoyrFlvoBHQO1tQeM2YFO TWAtnosSpuW3z6NBMT0BAKAk8oQiMjkFiIAdttKyCG71E98dYTumv+gNOPVwdYOv =vW3D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-programming+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-programming+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2012-10-29 16:56, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

On Mon, 2012-10-29 at 12:07 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2012-10-29 11:38, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

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I haven't found anything equivalent to the form designer, etc... I had back with Borland & OWL [the last 'Windows' development tool I paid for]. As far as that, Lazarus has a form designer. I didn't have a chance to compare with current Delphi, though. And I have not tried to use databases with Lazarus myself, my apps are simpler.

Is there any kind of embedded database in/for Lazarus? [that works with the form operations].

The LCL (Lazarus Component Library) contains SQL components, yes. I see connectors for mysql and oracle at least, but as I said, I have never used them myself. Probably firebird too, unsure.

I'm looking to build an app that uses a local database that is synchronized with a server over JSON. I assume Lazarus and the underlying components have JSON & HTTP capability [the questions on the FAQ indicate that it does].

Well, I don't know personally, I use Lazarus for other types of programming, quite simple nowdays. If you have used Delphi you will find it familiar, with missing things. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlCOvAgACgkQja8UbcUWM1xdzQEAm50DNL/smYvekLBtAcSWbI8v +e/4uXLMfa38lz8ur9QA/iaAZ889F7zcuKivmKEOoow3TEIzHUJSoTYFJZPQq5pY =5F7Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-programming+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-programming+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Werner Flamme wrote:

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Greg Freemyer [25.10.2012 22:32]:

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All,

I haven't done a mockup in 15 years. Back then I would normally use Delphi because I could get a great looking UI pretty quick and then start working on the implementation details after the fact.

I need to do a new mockup and I don't have any idea what a good language tool is.

If it is the UI only, try Pencil as a standalone tool or as a Firefox plugin http://pencil.evolus.vn/Downloads.html.

Our (web-)developers use Balsamiq Mockups from http://www.balsamiq.com/download. It is *not* open source, but you can get a free trial version (fully functional for 7 days).

Both tools are for layout only, AFAIK you cannot start to implement from there.

QML? http://doc.qt.digia.com/qt/qdeclarativeintroduction.html

Cheers, Werner

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Adam Tauno Williams [29.10.2012 13:00]:

On Mon, 2012-10-29 at 12:18 +0100, Werner Flamme wrote:

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Greg Freemyer [25.10.2012 22:32]:

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All, I haven't done a mockup in 15 years. Back then I would normally use Delphi because I could get a great looking UI pretty quick and then start working on the implementation details after the fact. I need to do a new mockup and I don't have any idea what a good language tool is. If it is the UI only, try Pencil as a standalone tool or as a Firefox plugin http://pencil.evolus.vn/Downloads.html.

Does Pencil do UI mockup?

From a *glance* it looks like it is primarily a UML-like tool.

For me, it builds UI mockups. Have a look at http://pencil.evolus.vn/Stencils-Templates.html (with links to the googlecode page of the project). For UML, I use umbrella, and that has a very different look and feel... - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlCOdJEACgkQk33Krq8b42Nw0wCeOTuATRg/W5QuYDHnoj1N97JI eBMAnRZ3ZR8AbjRjJmMfBsVGBFPMca93 =0NqL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-programming+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-programming+owner@opensuse.org