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Gavin Henry

27 Dec 2003 27 Dec '03

21:43

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dear Everyone, I was had this pointed out to me, by Simon Perreault (with my reply): "On Saturday 27 Dec 2003 8:49 pm, you wrote:

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1) Please do not cross-post. (This means sending the same message to many lists.)

OK, guilty, but I wanted a varied response, as different people subscribe to different lists.

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2) Please stay on topic. This has nothing to do with Fedora.

Fedora is GNU/Linux, there are C programmers, like you that use Fedora, and it is a general discussion list. What's the problem? I'm not asking for money for for you to join some crazy scheme. This kind of attitude annoys me about GNU/Linux, I am not wasting anyones time, so I don't see what the problem is." And his last reply: "On December 27, 2003 16:11, you wrote:

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This kind of attitude annoys me about GNU/Linux, I am not wasting anyones time, so I don't see what the problem is.

Yes, you are wasting time (and bandwidth, as there are some people on very slow connections) when you are not on topic. This list is not even about GNU/Linux, it is about Fedora. General Linux questions do not belong here. This is Fedora-related stuff only. There are tons of Linux and C mailing lists. This is a quick lesson (that everyone must learn, I did too) on netiquette. You should Google a bit on that topic, particularly on stuff related to mailing lists." I am sorry if I have wasted everyones time and bandwidth, but I have spent the last 3 days searching for up to date links and book reviews, some things you never find, like the website: http://www.accu.org/bookreviews/public/ recommended by another user. I admit, I have cross posted, as I not only use Fedora, but Debian, SUSE and Gentoo. These are all different distro's with different user bases. I wanted to get a good feel of what are good texts from all the C programmers out their. I didn't get a response like above from anyone else. Even Alan Cox replied to me. What I don't understand is, and I quote, "This list is not even about GNU/Linux, it is about Fedora." What is Fedora then? Again, sorry to waste everyones time, but you have all helped me out. - -- Regards http://www.magicfx.co.uk http://www.suretecsystems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/7f0YgNqd7Kng8UoRAimuAKCikZFb2yBGtrHss8AWHmb7pPwQMwCg4OAT hiT3sr0rPLJBLtQl/uiqQOU= =mTvq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Rafael E. Herrera

23 Feb 23 Feb

13:44

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Gavin Henry wrote:

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I was had this pointed out to me, by Simon Perreault (with my reply):

"On Saturday 27 Dec 2003 8:49 pm, you wrote:

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1) Please do not cross-post. (This means sending the same message to many lists.)

OK, guilty, but I wanted a varied response, as different people subscribe to different lists.

If you are asking the same question, common sense would say to CC the lists that you know of.

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2) Please stay on topic. This has nothing to do with Fedora.

Fedora is GNU/Linux, there are C programmers, like you that use Fedora, and it is a general discussion list. What's the problem? I'm not asking for money for for you to join some crazy scheme.

This kind of attitude annoys me about GNU/Linux, I am not wasting anyones time, so I don't see what the problem is."

In many mailing lists some individuals assume the role of guardians or moderators of discussions, even though the lists are open. I think your question is legitimate to any Linux related mailing list. Attitudes like his are best ignored, these individuals are usually very close minded and seldom have anything to contribute. As for your question, I would visit your local bookstore chain, there are a number of Linux-related C and C++ programming books. If you have more specific questions about C programming, there is a mailing list: http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/linuxcprogramming Keep asking questions. -- Rafael

Gavin Henry

24 Feb 24 Feb

22:59

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 23 February 2004 13:44, Rafael E. Herrera wrote: Thanks. :-)

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Gavin Henry wrote:

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I was had this pointed out to me, by Simon Perreault (with my reply):

"On Saturday 27 Dec 2003 8:49 pm, you wrote:

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1) Please do not cross-post. (This means sending the same message to many lists.)

OK, guilty, but I wanted a varied response, as different people subscribe to different lists.

If you are asking the same question, common sense would say to CC the lists that you know of.

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2) Please stay on topic. This has nothing to do with Fedora.

Fedora is GNU/Linux, there are C programmers, like you that use Fedora, and it is a general discussion list. What's the problem? I'm not asking for money for for you to join some crazy scheme.

This kind of attitude annoys me about GNU/Linux, I am not wasting anyones time, so I don't see what the problem is."

In many mailing lists some individuals assume the role of guardians or moderators of discussions, even though the lists are open. I think your question is legitimate to any Linux related mailing list. Attitudes like his are best ignored, these individuals are usually very close minded and seldom have anything to contribute.

As for your question, I would visit your local bookstore chain, there are a number of Linux-related C and C++ programming books.

If you have more specific questions about C programming, there is a mailing list: http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/linuxcprogramming

Keep asking questions. -- Rafael

- -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. http://www.magicfx.co.uk http://FedoraNEWS.ORG/ghenry http://www.suretecsystems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAO9drgNqd7Kng8UoRAgt2AJ4mBa8ZLZ49Ss16EhCyen+h0JcGjACeJSml dFYF2udcmF/xnMOQZWNZwx8= =CXTz -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

William A. Mahaffey III

25 Feb 25 Feb

00:07

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Gavin Henry wrote:

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On Monday 23 February 2004 13:44, Rafael E. Herrera wrote:

Thanks. :-)

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Gavin Henry wrote:

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I was had this pointed out to me, by Simon Perreault (with my reply):

"On Saturday 27 Dec 2003 8:49 pm, you wrote:

...
...
1) Please do not cross-post. (This means sending the same message to many lists.)

OK, guilty, but I wanted a varied response, as different people subscribe to different lists.

If you are asking the same question, common sense would say to CC the lists that you know of.

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2) Please stay on topic. This has nothing to do with Fedora.

Fedora is GNU/Linux, there are C programmers, like you that use Fedora, and it is a general discussion list. What's the problem? I'm not asking for money for for you to join some crazy scheme.

This kind of attitude annoys me about GNU/Linux, I am not wasting anyones time, so I don't see what the problem is."

In many mailing lists some individuals assume the role of guardians or moderators of discussions, even though the lists are open. I think your question is legitimate to any Linux related mailing list. Attitudes like his are best ignored, these individuals are usually very close minded and seldom have anything to contribute.

As for your question, I would visit your local bookstore chain, there are a number of Linux-related C and C++ programming books.

If you have more specific questions about C programming, there is a mailing list: http://lists.linux.org.au/listinfo/linuxcprogramming

Keep asking questions. -- Rafael

- -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry.

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New to this list, haven't followed this thread. If you are new to C (a bit hard to believe, but possible :-)), the 1 & only book you need is 'The C Programming Language', by Kernighan & Ritchie. Old, but crystal clear, well written, & terse. If you TRULY understand this book all the way, you should be good-to-go for years to come IMHO.

Jerry Feldman

00:29

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:07:55 -0600 "William A. Mahaffey III" wrote:

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New to this list, haven't followed this thread. If you are new to C (a bit hard to believe, but possible :-)), the 1 & only book you need is 'The C Programming Language', by Kernighan & Ritchie. Old, but crystal clear, well written, & terse. If you TRULY understand this book all the way, you should be good-to-go for years to come IMHO. I wholly agree with this. I have both the original K&R and the Second Edition. The Second Edition was revised to include the C89 standard.

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Gavin Henry

22:38

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 25 February 2004 00:29, Jerry Feldman wrote:

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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:07:55 -0600

"William A. Mahaffey III" wrote:

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New to this list, haven't followed this thread. If you are new to C (a bit hard to believe, but possible :-)), the 1 & only book you need is 'The C Programming Language', by Kernighan & Ritchie. Old, but crystal clear, well written, & terse. If you TRULY understand this book all the way, you should be good-to-go for years to come IMHO.

I wholly agree with this. I have both the original K&R and the Second Edition. The Second Edition was revised to include the C89 standard.

I am just trying to find a second hand copy :-) - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. http://www.magicfx.co.uk http://FedoraNEWS.ORG/ghenry http://www.suretecsystems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAPSPrgNqd7Kng8UoRAoKCAJ441Tgljo9vmXSqDOmyfZSnxlg9yACgrLls rL+brLgemqgCmJDYKpcQtQw= =RNl6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

William A. Mahaffey III

22:55

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Gavin Henry wrote:

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On Wednesday 25 February 2004 00:29, Jerry Feldman wrote:

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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:07:55 -0600

"William A. Mahaffey III" wrote:

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New to this list, haven't followed this thread. If you are new to C (a bit hard to believe, but possible :-)), the 1 & only book you need is 'The C Programming Language', by Kernighan & Ritchie. Old, but crystal clear, well written, & terse. If you TRULY understand this book all the way, you should be good-to-go for years to come IMHO.

I wholly agree with this. I have both the original K&R and the Second Edition. The Second Edition was revised to include the C89 standard.

I am just trying to find a second hand copy :-)

- -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry.

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Hmmm, about $30.00 last time I looked @ Barnes & Noble .... (in the last year)

Preston

26 Feb 26 Feb

19:42

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William A. Mahaffey III wrote:

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Gavin Henry wrote:

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On Wednesday 25 February 2004 00:29, Jerry Feldman wrote:

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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:07:55 -0600

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"William A. Mahaffey III" wrote:

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New to this list, haven't followed this thread. If you are new to C (a bit hard to believe, but possible :-)), the 1 & only book you need is 'The C Programming Language', by Kernighan & Ritchie. Old, but crystal clear, well written, & terse. If you TRULY understand this book all the way, you should be good-to-go for years to come IMHO.

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I wholly agree with this. I have both the original K&R and the Second Edition. The Second Edition was revised to include the C89 standard.

I am just trying to find a second hand copy :-)

-- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry.

http://www.magicfx.co.uk http://FedoraNEWS.ORG/ghenry http://www.suretecsystems.com

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Hmmm, about $30.00 last time I looked @ Barnes & Noble .... (in the last year)

Try going here: http://www.campusi.com/bookFind/asp/bookFindPriceLst.asp?prodId=0131103628 It will give you a list of most of the online used bookstores and their prices.

John Lamb

21:23

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Preston wrote:

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William A. Mahaffey III wrote:

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Gavin Henry wrote:

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I wholly agree with this. I have both the original K&R and the Second Edition. The Second Edition was revised to include the C89 standard.

I am just trying to find a second hand copy :-) -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry.

*http://www.magicfx.co.uk*

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Hmmm, about $30.00 last time I looked @ Barnes & Noble .... (in the last year)

Try going here:

http://www.campusi.com/bookFind/asp/bookFindPriceLst.asp?prodId=0131103628

Or better still (in the UK) http://www.amazon.co.uk/ have copies. You could also try your local library or (if you can get access) Aberdeen or RGU libraries, both of which will have copies. I don't have a copy or I'd just lend it. -- JDL Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit.

Gavin Henry

22:22

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks again guys. On Thursday 26 February 2004 21:23, John Lamb wrote:

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Preston wrote:

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William A. Mahaffey III wrote:

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Gavin Henry wrote:

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I wholly agree with this. I have both the original K&R and the Second Edition. The Second Edition was revised to include the C89 standard.

I am just trying to find a second hand copy :-) -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry.

*http://www.magicfx.co.uk*

Hmmm, about $30.00 last time I looked @ Barnes & Noble .... (in the last year)

Try going here:

http://www.campusi.com/bookFind/asp/bookFindPriceLst.asp?prodId=013110362 8

Or better still (in the UK) http://www.amazon.co.uk/ have copies. You could also try your local library or (if you can get access) Aberdeen or RGU libraries, both of which will have copies. I don't have a copy or I'd just lend it.

-- JDL

Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit.

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keo＠home.martnet.com

4 Mar 4 Mar

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If you are new to the c programming language and programming and general i recomend C primer plus; it is a good newbie book. After reading that you will have little or no trouble reading The C programming language; a good inter/advanced book. Some questions will remain after reading both books, peter van der linden will probably clear them up in Expert c programming; a funny and very informative little book. Finally a book on c/software engineering is C Interfaces and Implementations : Techniques for Creating Reusable Software. i think that after reading all four books you will feel very confident about your c langauge skill. After that more books for you tools, your API's (posix, standard c lib, multimedia libs, grapihcs libs, audio libs etc). by the time your done you'll be very old, and will have noticed more than 60 errors in my writting. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- MartNet InterNet Services 99.9% pure http://www.martnet.com On Wed, 25 Feb 2004, William A. Mahaffey III wrote:

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Gavin Henry wrote:

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On Wednesday 25 February 2004 00:29, Jerry Feldman wrote:

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On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:07:55 -0600

"William A. Mahaffey III" wrote:

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New to this list, haven't followed this thread. If you are new to C (a bit hard to believe, but possible :-)), the 1 & only book you need is 'The C Programming Language', by Kernighan & Ritchie. Old, but crystal clear, well written, & terse. If you TRULY understand this book all the way, you should be good-to-go for years to come IMHO.

I wholly agree with this. I have both the original K&R and the Second Edition. The Second Edition was revised to include the C89 standard.

I am just trying to find a second hand copy :-)

- -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry.

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Hmmm, about $30.00 last time I looked @ Barnes & Noble .... (in the last year)

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Steven T. Hatton

26 Feb 26 Feb

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 25 February 2004 05:38 pm, Gavin Henry wrote:

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On Wednesday 25 February 2004 00:29, Jerry Feldman wrote:

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I wholly agree with this. I have both the original K&R and the Second Edition. The Second Edition was revised to include the C89 standard.

I am just trying to find a second hand copy :-)

Why. I don't think it should be all that pricey, and, if you take the time to read it carefully, you will have gained far more than the cost of the book. But after reading it, forget everything you read to have an opened mind toward OO. I think Stroustup screwed up in his TC++PL by taking such a long road into the OO aspects of his language. He complains that a lot of coders use C++ like C with some added features, but until you get well into his presentation, so does he.

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-- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry.

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