Op dinsdag 13 maart 2007 20:28, schreef Alexey Eremenko:

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Are you willing to maintain it in suse's wiki?

I am willing to maintain it in the LfL (Lessons for Lizards). I promise.

Okay. Can you provide a url to the Lesson? -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+help@opensuse.org

On 3/13/07, jdd wrote:

Alexey Eremenko wrote:

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Hi all !

Please consider including VirtualBox package with openSUSE 10.3. I'm heavy emulators/virtualization user, so this addition would be important for me.

this seems very interesting. I read your paper then have some questions:

* it seems quite similar to VMware as of the features/install, true? * I don't see the extremely ugly "recompile module for a given kernel" than vmware have. Is that true or is the dl bind to a kernel? (I use 10.1, right now)

VirtualBox has a similar feature-set to VMware. Due to this program being new, it is less stable currently, but improves quickly. Feature-set includes: -Professional, User-Friendly, Qt3-based GUI -Official Innotek Documentation (+ my documentation article on SUSE LfL) -Disk Snapshots aka saved states -Audio (OSS+ALSA) -Guest VM Additions/Integration - something which other proprietary software had for years, but not available under OSS solutions until now - Qemu/Xen has nothing like this. -Works with Windows/Linux as both Host/Guest with full integration support on both platforms. Support for Solaris UNIX planned. -Only x86 is supported. x86-64 is planned. -Networking: NAT+Host-Networking with TAP (you can use host platform for routing/port forwarding/bridging - VBox relies on Host OS for that functionality) -Works as user-mode app (w/o root priviledges) - root only needed during setup. -Like VMware, it installs kernel-drivers (LKMs) on Host system. (but unlike VMware, it's damn easy to do with VBox) - so yes, it recompiles modules, but with much less manual work compared to VMware. -Very Fast (faster than most other solutions, excluding Xen) -Doesn't require any Vanderpool CPU. Uses normal processors. -Dual Licensing (similar to TrollTech) - proprietary + Open-Source GPL (since this is OSS now - since 2007 - we can build a kernel module and include with openSUSE) -...

* does this have the "permanent" versus "temporary" system of vmware? (one can lock the vm image, use and write on the vm guest and choose to save or don't save when quitting)

Yes, VBox has a "snapshot" feature.

NB: the VirtualBox home page wiki is extremely slow, may be because your mail :-))

rumors say that VirtualBox home currently experiencing some issues now... Usually it works damn-fast. Perhaps it is under reconstruction. It should have new release soon. (in few days) -Alexey --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+help@opensuse.org

jdd wrote:

but it does from Konsole

and boot Kaella 1.4 (Knoppix clone) I have 128Mb for the vm, sempron 2200 (?) 2 years old... nice :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+help@opensuse.org

jdd wrote:

alpha 3

alpha 2, of course jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+help@opensuse.org

"Alexey Eremenko" writes:

This is very nice, indeed, but my point was to fully integrate openSUSE 10.3 and VirtualBox.

read - we provide: (me and Marcus) -My Documentation (+updates) -end-user support of this product (any user can ask me questions) -RPM packages provided by Marcus -BETA-testing by me and Marcus

In turn we want to have VirtualBox available in the "main" repository and be included with openSUSE DVD.

What's the procedure for making this thing done? Is this mailing-list a correct place to wish such thing? or should I go to devel list?

We're planning on making it easier for package to go into the main distribution in the future and I hope that it can be done that way. I'll mark this for now and will discuss it later again. But for now let me ask under which license VirtualBox is so that we can check whether we can include it at all, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

"Alexey Eremenko" writes:

Hi Andreas!

VirtualBox has several licenses. One of them is GPL, which is the version we are discussing for inclusion.

Ok, so that is fine!

VirtualBox is a very powerful Virtualization solution, similar to VMware, but Open-Source.

My Documentation is already of high-quality, submitted to LfL, and therefore licensed under GFDL (as all content in LfL). Plus, I promised to update it constantly.

There is a pre-rendered version of it available.

You can read my article here: (NOTE: link will expire soon, so if you have problem, email me, and I will send you the article directly) http://download.yousendit.com/6E957103384F0318

On a side-note: I'm a bit unhappy due to lack of LfL in the latest Alpha of openSUSE.

Please file a bug in bugzilla, I agree, it should be made available, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

Am Donnerstag, 15. März 2007 19:27 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:

"Alexey Eremenko" writes:

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This is very nice, indeed, but my point was to fully integrate openSUSE 10.3 and VirtualBox.

read - we provide: (me and Marcus) -My Documentation (+updates) -end-user support of this product (any user can ask me questions) -RPM packages provided by Marcus -BETA-testing by me and Marcus

In turn we want to have VirtualBox available in the "main" repository and be included with openSUSE DVD.

What's the procedure for making this thing done? Is this mailing-list a correct place to wish such thing? or should I go to devel list?

We're planning on making it easier for package to go into the main distribution in the future and I hope that it can be done that way.

I'll mark this for now and will discuss it later again. But for now let me ask under which license VirtualBox is so that we can check whether we can include it at all,

The Open Source version is GPLed. Cheers Joachim -- Joachim Werner Senior Product Manager Outbound EMEA -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+help@opensuse.org

Alexey Eremenko wrote:

What's the procedure for making this thing done? Is this mailing-list a correct place to wish such thing? or should I go to devel list?

to be sure, write to bugzilla enhancement jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+help@opensuse.org