[opensuse-packaging] Misleading package name?

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jcsl

21 Jun 2014 21 Jun '14

17:04

Hi. I've just installed Glade and when I tried to open a GTK2 project I discovered that it is for the GTK3 version because it complains about obsolete widgets and it also says that it is only for GTK+ 3. However, the GTK2 version package is named glade3, hence my confussion. Is this intentionally or a mistake? Greetings. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+owner@opensuse.org

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Jan Engelhardt

21 Jun 21 Jun

17:33

On Saturday 2014-06-21 19:03, jcsl wrote:

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Hi.

I've just installed Glade and when I tried to open a GTK2 project I discovered that it is for the GTK3 version because it complains about obsolete widgets and it also says that it is only for GTK+ 3. However, the GTK2 version package is named glade3, hence my confussion. Is this intentionally or a mistake?

That is probably intentional. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Package_naming_guidelines#Multiple_packages_... Granted, a more appropriate name would have been glade-3_8. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+owner@opensuse.org

jcsl

18:44

El S�bado, 21 de junio de 2014 19:33:43 Jan Engelhardt escribi�:

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On Saturday 2014-06-21 19:03, jcsl wrote:

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Hi.

I've just installed Glade and when I tried to open a GTK2 project I discovered that it is for the GTK3 version because it complains about obsolete widgets and it also says that it is only for GTK+ 3. However, the GTK2 version package is named glade3, hence my confussion. Is this intentionally or a mistake? That is probably intentional. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Package_naming_guidelines#Multiple_packages_ for_the_same_software Granted, a more appropriate name would have been glade-3_8.

Hi. Wouldn't it be less confusing to give the name glade2 to the GTK2 Glade package and simply glade to the GTK3 one? That is compliant with the naming guidelines and it's clearer to me. I don't understand where that "3" comes from. Greetings. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+owner@opensuse.org

Yamaban

18:53

New subject: [opensuse-packaging] Re: Misleading package name?

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 20:44, jcsl wrote:

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El Sábado, 21 de junio de 2014 19:33:43 Jan Engelhardt escribió:

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On Saturday 2014-06-21 19:03, jcsl wrote:

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Hi.

I've just installed Glade and when I tried to open a GTK2 project I discovered that it is for the GTK3 version because it complains about obsolete widgets and it also says that it is only for GTK+ 3. However, the GTK2 version package is named glade3, hence my confussion. Is this intentionally or a mistake? That is probably intentional. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Package_naming_guidelines#Multiple_packages_ for_the_same_software Granted, a more appropriate name would have been glade-3_8.

Hi.

Wouldn't it be less confusing to give the name glade2 to the GTK2 Glade package and simply glade to the GTK3 one? That is compliant with the naming guidelines and it's clearer to me. I don't understand where that "3" comes from.

First: Glade has it's on versioning. Second: Glade version is not equivialent to GTK version. Third: Yeah, it's a PITA. Here: Glade Version 3.8 (package glade3) is for GTK Version 2 IMHO either tack on a _gtk[2|3] (e.g glade3_gtk2) or make sure that the relevant GTK version is shown in the Package short description shown by "zypper se" and "yast2", better do both. As it is, it gives ground for unhappy programmers and users. Not so good for the image. - Yamaban.

jcsl

19:51

New subject: [opensuse-packaging] Re: Misleading package name?

El Sábado, 21 de junio de 2014 20:53:47 Yamaban escribió: Hi.

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First: Glade has it's on versioning. Second: Glade version is not equivialent to GTK version. Third: Yeah, it's a PITA.

Ah, I've never used Glade before, but the short description for the "glade" package says "User Interface Builder for GTK+", so I got confused, XD.

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Here: Glade Version 3.8 (package glade3) is for GTK Version 2

IMHO either tack on a _gtk[2|3] (e.g glade3_gtk2) or make sure that the relevant GTK version is shown in the Package short description shown by "zypper se" and "yast2", better do both.

Well, the short description for the glade3 package already says "User Interface Builder for GTK+ 2", but "glade" package appears before in the list and you can overlook the glade3 package. And I couldn't guess from its description that it is for GTK+ 3 only because it is not mentioned neither in the short description nor the summary. Your proposal sounds good to me.

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As it is, it gives ground for unhappy programmers and users. Not so good for the image.

- Yamaban.

I agree. Greetings. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+owner@opensuse.org

Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger

30 Jun 30 Jun

20:03

New subject: [opensuse-packaging] Re: Misleading package name?

On Sat, 2014-06-21 at 20:53 +0200, Yamaban wrote:

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On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 20:44, jcsl wrote:

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El Sábado, 21 de junio de 2014 19:33:43 Jan Engelhardt escribió:

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On Saturday 2014-06-21 19:03, jcsl wrote:

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Hi.

I've just installed Glade and when I tried to open a GTK2 project I discovered that it is for the GTK3 version because it complains about obsolete widgets and it also says that it is only for GTK+ 3. However, the GTK2 version package is named glade3, hence my confussion. Is this intentionally or a mistake? That is probably intentional. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Package_naming_guidelines#Multiple_packages_ for_the_same_software Granted, a more appropriate name would have been glade-3_8.

Hi.

Wouldn't it be less confusing to give the name glade2 to the GTK2 Glade package and simply glade to the GTK3 one? That is compliant with the naming guidelines and it's clearer to me. I don't understand where that "3" comes from.

First: Glade has it's on versioning. Second: Glade version is not equivialent to GTK version. Third: Yeah, it's a PITA.

Here: Glade Version 3.8 (package glade3) is for GTK Version 2

IMHO either tack on a _gtk[2|3] (e.g glade3_gtk2) or make sure that the relevant GTK version is shown in the Package short description shown by "zypper se" and "yast2", better do both.

As it is, it gives ground for unhappy programmers and users. Not so good for the image.

As openSUSE has a lot of people with great ideas, but apparently not so many taking the initiative to start an editor and just fix stuff the way they like it to be: I did the task now and changed the summary of glade to ensure it refers to GTK+ 3; for glade3 this was already the case (it referencing GTK+ 2 of course.. not 3). Cheers, Dominique -- Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+owner@opensuse.org

Jan Engelhardt

21 Jun 21 Jun

20:02

On Saturday 2014-06-21 20:44, jcsl wrote:

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That is probably intentional. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Package_naming_guidelines#Multiple_packages_ for_the_same_software Granted, a more appropriate name would have been glade-3_8.

Wouldn't it be less confusing to give the name glade2 to the GTK2 Glade package and simply glade to the GTK3 one? That is compliant with the naming guidelines and it's clearer to me. I don't understand where that "3" comes from.

libnl-1_1.spec <= libnl 1.1 libnl3.spec <= libnl 3.x glade3.spec <= glade 3.x (3.8.4) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-packaging+owner@opensuse.org

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