On 02/03/2011 09:34 PM, jdd wrote:

Le 03/02/2011 20:17, Dave Plater a écrit :

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Looks good, now for some suitable music something from Robert Miles or in that vein although there must be opensource music clips somewhere. If I had a moment to spare I could compose something using openSUSE packages but moments are sparse atm. Dave P

a good music would be very usefull - I'm am absolutely unable to do one :-(

but we could search jamendo or other free music

jdd

I've a musician friend whose band makes similar music, I, look through that and I'm sure I can arrange a permission letter, they don't belong to a mega corporate label. Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+help@opensuse.org

Le 05/02/2011 23:55, Dave Plater a écrit :

I bumped into my friend in the supermaket checkout this evening and he was receptive about the use of Benguela's music : http://www.benguela.co.za/ he also said that he's got a lot more tracks at home for me to look through.

:-) we definitively should have an openSUSE dedicated set of music themes. do we have on the membership somebody that will do this for free, or must we pay a reasonable fee for a professional work? The Jamendo web site is a good starting point because they publish prices for free (as in not musical society declared) music and musicians. Using one theme for video illustration on the net is €25, time unlimited, but for a theme that can be used by anybody. That said, if necessary, if we find a theme that fits our needs it's always possible to ask the composer a similar exclusive theme, probably for a fee we can afford. It's probably to late to do this for 11.4, but we should do for 12 (and maybe, having a full marketting material may give a reason to use 12 :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+help@opensuse.org

Le 06/02/2011 14:29, Dave Plater a écrit :

As I said we can use benguela's tracks for free with permission when we

thare are many musics we can use freely, but we have to find one we like... for example the one I used here is free And if we want a jingle specially for openSUSE (may be free, but at least primarily done for us) we have to we also have to manage a way to give credit jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+help@opensuse.org

Le 06/02/2011 15:59, Dave Plater a écrit :

If you want to get closer to open source, I have a good rapport with the rosegarden devs one of whom is also a muso.

could you ask him about a specific openSUSE gimmick? I'm pretty short of ideas, here an,d what I like may not be what is the better :-)) thanks! jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday, February 06, 2011 07:29:44 am Dave Plater wrote:

As I said we can use benguela's tracks for free with permission

I was on a web site you linked here, and some of stuff, or snippets of it, they have can be used. They are good at what they are doing.

I accumulated quite a lot of respect from the S.A. music community when I ran the Harbour music club so this is a chance to get something back.

S.A. music, or sippets of it, can be interesting, although I can foresee that some guys here will find to much similarity to well known distro :) (but that will not prevent me from using it :) In general we can go and look after artists that are good and need some points in their portfolios. Making artwork for openSUSE that has international audience in millions can be good investment for them. Although majority of community is used to free (as in beer), having your art distributed around the world can't hurt. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+help@opensuse.org

Le 06/02/2011 17:35, jdd a écrit :

last version, with the beginning, the end and no music :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loclyBwNos0

commented here

http://dodin.org/wiki/index.php?n=Photo.HOWTOMakeVideoClip#sPhoto.HOWTOMakeV...

jdd

I nearly stopped working on this when I noticed that the save function of kdenlive is not reliable. When loading a project, I don't find back what I let in when saving. My primary goal was to make a video tutorial, to show how we can do.this is no more possible, at least right now. nor kdenlive nor openshot are working sufficiently. I can still make videos, but not with free software :-( I may try others like cinelerra, but I'm not at ease with them, so it's not for today :-( by the way, I can use "magix" on windows. No more comment here :-( jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 14 Feb 2011 16:14:55 jdd wrote:

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I nearly stopped working on this when I noticed that the save function of kdenlive is not reliable. When loading a project, I don't find back what I let in when saving.

I've found that both kdenlive 0.7.7.1 and 0.7.8 can exhibit correct behaviour, or go cause havoc, depending on exact versions of packages installed, or other obscure circumstances. I haven't encountered major issues with saving, though. The typical bug I see is that a clip would not snap into the timeline, but just float there, making it impossible to apply any effects. cheers, JW- -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _=======.=======_ <V> | jw@suse.de back to ascii! __/ _---|____________\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 __/ (____/ /\ (/) | _____________________________/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) SuSE. Supporting Linux since 1992. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+help@opensuse.org

notice that I just worked on windows with Magix. I could do the two keyframe effects in a matter of minutes, but Magix could notn read the ogv file I had to insert (and I spent 2 hours without success installing codecs) so why it's often, necessary to have two OS working... that said having a working video editor was at some moment an open source priority, it should be... if I see how many are working on windows. jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+help@opensuse.org

Le 14/02/2011 19:46, Stuart Tanner a écrit :

I am building beowolf cluster for my final year thesis tell me how many computer's do you need and maybe i can build one to run that program you mentioned before.

it was in year 2000, the computers are now much more powerfull :-) I just buy a i5 4x cores and 4Gb ram for video hd editing

I am also looking t build a thin client technology so maybe you can run that 100 cluster super computer software on my cluster :)

you can try it. But the main problem is uploading, my HD video sources are often 40Gb and I have only 1Mb upload bandwith :-(

I had a plan to make the cluster, plan to makd the remote login option, now you give me a real world application that requires it.

Thank You So Much!!

try to search google "cinelerra cluster", here I get mostly french results :-( http://marmottux.org/slides06/cinelerra_universite_ete_marmottux.pdf http://www.assistcg.com/component/content/article/67.html jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+help@opensuse.org

Le 15/02/2011 22:08, Stuart Tanner a écrit :

Yes I can see that would be difficult.. I don't know it would take to upload at 1mb/s but it would likely take days..

weeks :-( (I know, I tried to upload photo collection, but with the present 15Mpix average, it's nearly impossible)

I think its about time that upload speeds could match download speeds but I can only dream..

no it's easy with fiber optic, now coming in France (but I'mp pretty far from center town, so not for me)

It would be most likely quicker to fly to copy the file to a hd and fly back lol.

send a BD if you happen to have a reader :-) (I have a writer) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+help@opensuse.org

On 02/15/2011 06:17 PM, jdd wrote:

well...

I will try to make most of my work with free software (it' much more easier for me, as I can make other work during compilations :-)

I have a nearly working 11.3 video showing inbstall. I wont go further, then, because 11.3 will soon become obsolete.

Im working on two direction, now:

* see if it's possible to use openqa.opensuse.org to have the install video. The answer is probably no. openqa try to make the video as short as possible (and 1mn is way too short to make a comment), and don't manage all langages.

* see if it's possible to stick recordmydesktop to the various VirtualBox windoiws sizes (or vice-versa), probably not good neither...

* try to make cinelerra work. It's not obvious. Seems good to use independant jpeg images for film (allow any trick), not exacltly what I need

so I will stay with kdenlive for now (and recordmyDesktop, and a video recorder)

jdd

Try blender-2.56 it's video editing is designed for creating animated movies but it's totally professional and has the most active development I have ever seen for a single package. Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+help@opensuse.org

On 02/15/2011 07:30 PM, jdd wrote:

Le 15/02/2011 18:04, Dave Plater a écrit :

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Try blender-2.56 it's video editing is designed for creating animated movies but it's totally professional and has the most active development I have ever seen for a single package.

well... I was never able to do anything with Blender, I have it, but can't even find a way to load a clip on it

I find VSE on the menu, and then?

thanks jdd

That's the problem, there's a movie file filter but the use of ffmpeg is removed (crippled) though you should be able to load ogg/theora video and vorbis sound which is the only video codec still there, it supports avi containers. Pity they don't include matroska. It's got support for all the common image formats. I'm not familiar with the controls either but if you have the time blender.org has tutorials and manuals. The documentation for blender 2.5x is unfortunately the lowest priority. http://www.blender.org/education-help/tutorials/getting-started/ has a couple of 2.5x tutorials. Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+help@opensuse.org

On 02/16/2011 09:23 AM, jdd wrote:

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That's the problem, there's a movie file filter but the use of ffmpeg is

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removed (crippled)

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ffmpeg or anything that has mpeg in the name is prohibited in the openSUSE build service, "crippled" is the term used to describe what the pre_checkin.sh script does to the original tarball when it removes the prohibited parts, blender-2.49b has one but blender-2.5x had the internal ffmpeg and friends removed and simply has the option to build with external ffmpeg. I'm not sure but lack of ffmpeg might even affect the avi creation/read part, I must check on this. Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+help@opensuse.org

On Feb 16, 11 11:25:38 +0200, Dave Plater wrote:

On 02/16/2011 09:23 AM, jdd wrote:

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That's the problem, there's a movie file filter but the use of ffmpeg is

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removed (crippled) ? ffmpeg or anything that has mpeg in the name is prohibited in the openSUSE build service, "crippled" is the term used....

I always fell sorry, when reading things like this. Crippled software so often creates confusion about what should work, and how. The best option, of course, is make the changes so that the missing parts explain themselves well. E.g. when you try to load an mpeg clip, it responds with a message explaining the need to reach out to packman or try a different format like ogg. This is of course additional work and thus rarely done. I see two other less invasive options: - Never ever cripple. Just drop. Maybe replace by a pull-in-proxy-package, that knows which package version from which external repo works well, and suggests installation when called. - Mark the package prominently. E.g. as in in rename our crippled "blender" to "blender_le" ("limited edition") or something. Would that make sense? cheers, JW- -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _=======.=======_ <V> | jw@suse.de back to ascii! __/ _---|____________\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 __/ (____/ /\ (/) | _____________________________/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) SuSE. Supporting Linux since 1992. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+help@opensuse.org

On Feb 16, 11 12:41:23 +0100, jdd wrote:

Le 16/02/2011 12:27, Juergen Weigert a écrit :

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Would that make sense?

probably, but not on the multimedia list, where few people have the required knowledge :-))

:-) I specifically ask on this list, because very often multimedia applications are affected. So if we (users on this list) say, we want to have a pull-in script, or a naming scheme for crippled software, I'll find those with the knowledge. cheers, JW- -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _=======.=======_ <V> | jw@suse.de back to ascii! __/ _---|____________\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 __/ (____/ /\ (/) | _____________________________/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) SuSE. Supporting Linux since 1992. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+help@opensuse.org

On 02/16/2011 01:27 PM, Juergen Weigert wrote:

On Feb 16, 11 11:25:38 +0200, Dave Plater wrote:

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On 02/16/2011 09:23 AM, jdd wrote:

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That's the problem, there's a movie file filter but the use of ffmpeg is

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removed (crippled)

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ffmpeg or anything that has mpeg in the name is prohibited in the openSUSE build service, "crippled" is the term used....

I always fell sorry, when reading things like this. Crippled software so often creates confusion about what should work, and how.

The best option, of course, is make the changes so that the missing parts explain themselves well. E.g. when you try to load an mpeg clip, it responds with a message explaining the need to reach out to packman or try a different format like ogg. This is of course additional work and thus rarely done.

I see two other less invasive options: - Never ever cripple. Just drop. Maybe replace by a pull-in-proxy-package, that knows which package version from which external repo works well, and suggests installation when called. - Mark the package prominently. E.g. as in in rename our crippled "blender" to "blender_le" ("limited edition") or something.

Would that make sense?

cheers, JW-

The work required to change the multimedia packages that are "crippled" is immense as most of these packages are there but most of them have packman equivalents. In the case of blender the lack of ffmpeg support is minor, unless you want to use it as a video editor which isn't it's purpose, I suggested blender because I know from experience that the video editing packages often need to be rebuilt on your own system to get them to work properly whereas the blender development is extremely active and it is used professionally by many. AFAIK the avi support uses jpeg to create videos and it still has ogg theora support. I just dislike "cripple" scripts from a maintainers point of view. The mjpegtools one ate the freshly downloaded tarball because it had a hard coded version number. This turns an otherwise easy update into a time consuming one and mjpegtools libraries are needed by quite a few key packages so dropping it isn't an option. Dropping xine-libs is an option because it has other replacements but not for 11.4. Regards Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+help@opensuse.org

Le 16/02/2011 10:25, Dave Plater a écrit : d

with external ffmpeg. I'm not sure but lack of ffmpeg might even affect the avi creation/read part, I must check on this.

I dl the stable version on the blender web site, no change. Don't worry, anyway it's a bit late to learn a new application, I will try this later thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+help@opensuse.org

Le 14/02/2011 19:04, Stuart Tanner a écrit :

Which quality reliable software do you recommend for Video Editing that can easily output the content to an ISO Image for K3B to burn in comparison to Adobe Premiere?

many questions in one :-) for video editing, one need: * a non linear video editor (AKA Adobe Premiere, Magix and many others in Windows). We have a lot in Linux, none working really well. -The older is Kino, outdated and I think no more in openSUSE stock, but bery good for making effects and transitions. I several times used it only for this purpose. It works only on dv files -the one I would like to see working is kdenlive. was promising, but now is add features in place of fixing bugs. It's better than it was but still I got crazy with him last day :-(( -openshot is nice for simple editing (may be it's it the blender related one because it asks for blender at some moments) seems very stable and usable, but lack too many features -Lives : I never understood how it works, seems for artists more than video reporters -cinelerra, very ancient, but was aimed to professional market and asket for a cluster of 100 computer the first time I met him (was named, I think, Broadcast2000 - you see the date). Very special interface. Seems well fitted for some works. However my old dualcore was still not enough for him, and in case it lack memory it just quit... I have to try it again with my new i5, but the learning curve is high. * a converter to make the video clip usable with youtube, dvd... mobile phones..ffmpeg is the best. * a basic editor/converter, for image precise cut, avidemux is pretty fine. With this you can get mpg video files (or any format, by the way), fitted for dvd. * a dvd authoring programm. There are many on openSUSE I use gany2dvd

Other than gimp, how good is CinePaint or Kirta when related to PhotoShop?

I'm not a photo editor (I do many photos, but do not trick them). I'm not sure Gimp do less than photoshop, but it does it very differently. Any of them (photoshop or Gimp) needs month of learning to be mastered jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-multimedia+help@opensuse.org