** I've lived in the real world enough, we're all here because we aint all there ** I am turning one of my Suse boxes into a video editing-movie/dvd creating box.. at least that is the current plan I am looking for information about the best semi pro sound cards you might recomend, along w/ "if money is no object" recomendations. ( Might as well have an idea how high the bar is . IT helps purchasing decisions in a peicemeal setup sometimes. The box we are building upon is a "purpose built polywell, which has been rebuilt by them several times, now Athlon 1700 ( xp) although I expect it wont belong before the asus board gets tossed for soemthing that could handle several athlons. Got 1.5gig ram on it... presently an nvidia video card which is already for the bin , I am sort of looking at a topline ati or matrox , since the video cards I tend to hand me rounds when new boxes come in w/ onboard chips etc.. I am still investigating the capture card situation .. prefer to spend my money on quality especially something that has a Linux positive company rather than the usual types who are willling to take you money but don't care to let anyone know they might even *work* in a linux box. Partially their laziness, and the fact that there is still a heavy MS thumb on the hardware folks. One hopes they are begining to see the light , tho. Sound , however is really important... anyone ever been around film, animation , anything knows how sound can really help move a story along, and add a lot to a picture. IF you don't believe it, rent a dvd of jaws, and turn your lights out and the sound up.. at least til the dialog take over the picture. W/o that theme and the sound editing, it was a really average summer flick. Might even go so far as to say "incredibley average" I'm not overly worried about the price of the equipment being the lowest posible bidder, looking more for the middle range ( which is why , I guess I asked also about proces of the top kit... Best to know what the setup is going to take when I get round to building a couple of these things that by then I'd want ( need) to have top level stuff on. -- j -- nemo me impune lacessit it's just an afterthought; okay ? : SYSTEM ERROR: Place sacrifice at keyboard to continue....
On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 17:39, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:
** I've lived in the real world enough, we're all here because we aint all there ** I am turning one of my Suse boxes into a video editing-movie/dvd creating box.. at least that is the current plan
I am looking for information about the best semi pro sound cards you might recomend, along w/ "if money is no object" recomendations. ( Might as well have an idea how high the bar is . IT helps purchasing decisions in a peicemeal setup sometimes. The box we are building upon is a "purpose built polywell, which has been rebuilt by them several times, now Athlon 1700 ( xp) although I expect it wont belong before the asus board gets tossed for soemthing that could handle several athlons. Got 1.5gig ram on it... presently an nvidia video card which is already for the bin , I am sort of looking at a topline ati or matrox , since the video cards I tend to hand me rounds when new boxes come in w/ onboard chips etc..
I am still investigating the capture card situation .. prefer to spend my money on quality especially something that has a Linux positive company rather than the usual types who are willling to take you money but don't care to let anyone know they might even *work* in a linux box. Partially their laziness, and the fact that there is still a heavy MS thumb on the hardware folks. One hopes they are begining to see the light , tho.
Sound , however is really important... anyone ever been around film, animation , anything knows how sound can really help move a story along, and add a lot to a picture. IF you don't believe it, rent a dvd of jaws, and turn your lights out and the sound up.. at least til the dialog take over the picture. W/o that theme and the sound editing, it was a really average summer flick. Might even go so far as to say "incredibley average" I'm not overly worried about the price of the equipment being the lowest posible bidder, looking more for the middle range ( which is why , I guess I asked also about proces of the top kit... Best to know what the setup is going to take when I get round to building a couple of these things that by then I'd want ( need) to have top level stuff on.
-- j -- nemo me impune lacessit
it's just an afterthought; okay ? : SYSTEM ERROR: Place sacrifice at keyboard to continue....
Some people may not agree, but Sound Blasters are a fav of mine. I have yet to have a problem with my sound Blaster. I have heard Santa Cruz...(SP?) was also a great card.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 26 March 2004 14:39, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:
** I've lived in the real world enough, we're all here because we aint all there ** I am turning one of my Suse boxes into a video editing-movie/dvd creating box.. at least that is the current plan
Ok, first off, the SBLive (5.1) cards don't do midi that well - if at all. They have a fair amount of features and seem nice enough. However, when the devs working on this finally got up to some appreciable amount of speed the Audigy came out - and tech heads there loved the idea of 24 bit over 16 bit sound - of course. So, it seems that the better part of the ongoing devel was more focused on the Audigy 24 bit cards. I just bought an Audigy 1 for about $60 (and of course two freaking days later the put it on sale and knock of $20 bucks ... grrrr!). I find this card to be fairly robust and the sound quality is very nice IMHO. I can't tell you about the Audigy 2 (LS/ZS versions) but I would say a good bet is the in fact an Audigy card. Turtle Beach puts out a Santa Cruz version (lol - zealots may not buy merely for the namesake "Santa Cruz"/Santa Cruz Operations [aka SCO]). Turtle Beach is known for putting out Pro grade cards - some can be very expensive. The Santa Cruz cards are 20 bit and fairly nice. I do believe however that the driver devel has been more by OSS/OpenSound more over - they make fairly nice drivers but are proprietary in some cases. Also the Turtle Beach cards (including the SC version) has been known to have I/O anomolies or "tendencies" (if you will) that can lead to the off problems with programs - due to the mem addresses vs the programs that can conflict at times. I have not used the SC card so I could be wrong. The Creative Labs Audigy (v 1) should do you nicely. If you're in a position not to be so concerned over money then there are other Pro cards to discuss. I assume that a 24 bit consumer card such as the Audigy would otherwise meet your needs. If not repost and I can lead you to some sites so you can check them out for yourself. HTH, Curtis. :) :) :)
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This is really one subject in computing I need to spend more time in heh lol. I'v never really went looking for professional cards but was trying to help. What's the most expensive sound card you'v ever seen? Was it worth the money? We should make a sound card comparison list ;)
Curtis Rey wrote:
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On Friday 26 March 2004 14:39, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:
** I've lived in the real world enough, we're all here because we aint all there ** I am turning one of my Suse boxes into a video editing-movie/dvd creating box.. at least that is the current plan
Ok, first off, the SBLive (5.1) cards don't do midi that well - if at all.
Don't do midi? I have a SBlibe, and it works 10 points in midi (depending the soundfont that You loads in the memory with sfxload). With a soundfont of high quality, from about 40 mb, You can get very relistic instruments.
They have a fair amount of features and seem nice enough. However, when the devs working on this finally got up to some appreciable amount of speed the Audigy came out - and tech heads there loved the idea of 24 bit over 16 bit sound - of course. So, it seems that the better part of the ongoing devel was more focused on the Audigy 24 bit cards. I just bought an Audigy 1 for about $60 (and of course two freaking days later the put it on sale and knock of $20 bucks ... grrrr!). I find this card to be fairly robust and the sound quality is very nice IMHO. I can't tell you about the Audigy 2 (LS/ZS versions) but I would say a good bet is the in fact an Audigy card.
Turtle Beach puts out a Santa Cruz version (lol - zealots may not buy merely for the namesake "Santa Cruz"/Santa Cruz Operations [aka SCO]). Turtle Beach is known for putting out Pro grade cards - some can be very expensive. The Santa Cruz cards are 20 bit and fairly nice. I do believe however that the driver devel has been more by OSS/OpenSound more over - they make fairly nice drivers but are proprietary in some cases. Also the Turtle Beach cards (including the SC version) has been known to have I/O anomolies or "tendencies" (if you will) that can lead to the off problems with programs - due to the mem addresses vs the programs that can conflict at times. I have not used the SC card so I could be wrong. The Creative Labs Audigy (v 1) should do you nicely.
If you're in a position not to be so concerned over money then there are other Pro cards to discuss. I assume that a 24 bit consumer card such as the Audigy would otherwise meet your needs. If not repost and I can lead you to some sites so you can check them out for yourself.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 27 March 2004 18:41, Juan Erbes wrote:
Ok, first off, the SBLive (5.1) cards don't do midi that well - if at all.
Don't do midi? I have a SBlibe, and it works 10 points in midi (depending the soundfont that You loads in the memory with sfxload). With a soundfont of high quality, from about 40 mb, You can get very relistic instruments.
- From www.alsa-project.org: Known bugs - - MIDI on SB live drive not working properly. - - wavetable drops notes sometimes. (a good test example wanted.) The following does not work in SB Live!Platinum: - - capturing the front panel RCA connectors - - front panel midi connectors - - IR sensor So yes, you get very nice internal software operations - mostly. However, hooking up and "external" midi keyboard is a PITA (pain in the ass). It will show a midi (uart) device, but unlike other cards it will not communicate properly with the with the external keyboard. I have (with much tweaking) gotten it to render notes. And as the site suggested it only did this in short bursts and dropped notes like crazy. The game/midi port only does 8 bit and the midi data simply overloads the pipe and can't fill the buffer. Pair this with latency issues and you have a fairly inoperable set-up. So yes with a lot of finess one can get an external midi device working - somewhat. But not in what I would consider a working and "real-time" manner. And I had to patch the kernel for low latency to get what I did working. Again, internal software midi is more or less fine. Using an external keyboard is hit or miss IMHO. Cheers, Curtis. - -- Spammers Beware: Tresspassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again! Warning: Individuals throwing objects at the crocodiles will be asked to retrieve them! If pro is the opposite of con, then the opposite of progress must be congress! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAZt6E7CQBg4DqqCwRAtj8AJ43++4eDubaEJSWEQ5/TlwYQ0ZNiQCglAAi OZGQHoS0DuzIlHiQ1ouubLU= =PnmO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Curtis Rey wrote:
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On Saturday 27 March 2004 18:41, Juan Erbes wrote:
Ok, first off, the SBLive (5.1) cards don't do midi that well - if at all.
Don't do midi? I have a SBlibe, and it works 10 points in midi (depending the soundfont that You loads in the memory with sfxload). With a soundfont of high quality, from about 40 mb, You can get very relistic instruments.
- From www.alsa-project.org:
Known bugs - - MIDI on SB live drive not working properly. - - wavetable drops notes sometimes. (a good test example wanted.)
The following does not work in SB Live!Platinum:
- - capturing the front panel RCA connectors - - front panel midi connectors
I have one SB Live!Platinum, and the midi connectors works ok. You must to connect it with kaconnect under kde, or with aconnect in console. About the spdif connectors, I have not used it, but I mean they must work using alsamixer for enabling it.
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Audigy 24 bit cards.
24 bit sound just is better on the ears... dunno why, it just does.. I am hoping teh 9.1 w/ the new kernal will pick up the slack on a lot of multimedia stuff, it is claimed to be much more multimedia friendly. But the whole OS has grown so fast it's almost dizzy machen ! TIA for any future info... -- j -- nemo me impune lacessit it's just an afterthought; okay ? : Tennis players have fuzzy balls.
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