Guys, before this turns into a long spam thread of people voting... this email was *not* meant to vote for either statement. You can USE either statement according to what fits your needs and audience best. Though I appreciate Manu and JDD's votes, even if JDD tends to delete the entire previous thread before responding. :-) Bryen On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 18:58 +0530, Manu Gupta wrote:

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On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 06:38 -0600, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:

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As we get closer and closer to 11.4 release, we proudly boast that openSUSE will be the first to ship with LibreOffice. Unfortunately, there is already some dispute to that, as some have pointed out that Pardus Corporate version ships with the stable version of LibreOffice.

Congratulations to Pardus (and possibly others) that are shipping it.

We must modify our message going forth or we'll lose credibility. Discussing with some others quickly on line, we have the following two statements that you can choose to use:

A) openSUSE 11.4 is the first major distribution to ship LibreOffice

B) openSUSE is among the first shipping LibreOffice.

Both are good, safe statements that retain truth.

Thanks! Bryen

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On Monday 07 Mar 2011 16:43:52 jdd wrote: I am sure its great promoting openSUSE to other members of the FOSS community, but my real question is how can we really and truly promote openSUSE to the masses, I mean I am out every sunday promoting openSUSE but most people seem to either use Ubuntu or they just are not interested in Linux at all. Sure if we can convince people to switch from Ubuntu to openSUSE its fine, but the real question is, how on earth do we convert the billions if dissatisfied windows users to seriously consider making the switch? I talk about the ease of software installation - rather than hunting through sites for the software just a tick on the box and click install. I take about the security and the idea that by seperating Data from OS and using strong passwords you don't strictly need anti virus software and as such openSUSE can really truly make their computers run fast. Further I talk about the ability to upgrade their computers for free, not just system updates but every application can be updated or even upgraded ie from 11.3 o 11.4. With the launch of 11.4 imminent how can we make this the biggest uptake ever for linux newbies. For people at large. There are youtube videos, facebook pages and such but i don't see people biting our hands off to take up openSUSE. I am interested to here suggestions on what we can do to dramatically increase to uptake of openSUSE from the masses. -- Kind Regards Stuart Tanner Bolton Linux 24 Vincent Street Bolton BL1 4SA Tel: +44(0)1204 410474 Mob: +44(0)7868 028028 www.bolin.org.uk Distributing openSUSE in the UK Registered Linux User: 529825 Coming soon to the CIS Market @ http://опенсусе.рф/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Sure if we can convince people to switch from Ubuntu to openSUSE its fine, but the real question is, how on earth do we convert the billions if dissatisfied windows users to seriously consider making the switch?

openSUSE is a very stable, technically advanced OS, but as with Linux in general there is a lot of friction for first time users. The installer is perhaps the first important hurdle. If the install process overwhelms the user with questions about things they don't yet understand, they'll get confused and abort the install. When I tried out Ubuntu 10.10 a few months ago, I was pleasantly surprised by its easy installer. As much as I like openSUSE, the Ubuntu installer is much convenient in my humble opinion. Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MPJi4FTuQQ&feature=fvwrel I want to draw attention to two things: - The installer starts copying files when the partitioning is finalized, which saves time. - The partitioner is, in its easiest form, a simple draggable slider that lets the user set the amount of space used by Ubuntu. I've opened a related openFATE request some time ago: https://features.opensuse.org/311027 Here are some general reasons why Windows users may not want to switch: - "At least I know the Windows way of doing things. I don't want to learn use an OS that does things differently." -- Here are a few examples: the RPM packaging system (as opposed to downloading EXEs from the software vendors), the file system (/path/to/file versus C:\path\to\file), the absence of drive letters (drives are mounted as a directory, e.g. /mnt/cdrom), symbolic links, several desktop environments (as opposed to "Windows Explorer"). I could go on, but you get the point. - "It doesn't have iTunes, so I can't manage my iP[a-zA-Z]+ with the same ease." - "I can't use Microsoft Office on Linux." -- Although LibreOffice is the best free alternative to MS Office I've seen so far, it doesn't offer 100% compatibility with MS Office and it has an Office XP-era interface. (LibreOffice is provided for free of charge and is maintained by devoted developers in their spare time, so I know that they're already doing the best they can with the few resources that they have.) And finally something else that causes friction for new openSUSE users: it's a pain in the neck having to install proprietary support for formats such as MP3. I know there are complicated copyright issues involved with this, but if I recall correctly Ubuntu *does* offer an easy way to install these codecs. It's just one of those little annoyances I have with openSUSE. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a hater... I'm just trying to think about how friction could be reduced for new users. Pieter 2011/3/7 Chuck Payne

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:

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Guys, before this turns into a long spam thread of people voting... this email was *not* meant to vote for either statement.  You can USE either statement according to what fits your needs and audience best.

Though I appreciate Manu and JDD's votes, even if JDD tends to delete the entire previous thread before responding.  :-)

Bryen

On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 18:58 +0530, Manu Gupta wrote:

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On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 06:38 -0600, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:

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As we get closer and closer to 11.4 release, we proudly boast that openSUSE will be the first to ship with LibreOffice.  Unfortunately, there is already some dispute to that, as some have pointed out that Pardus Corporate version ships with the stable version of LibreOffice.

Congratulations to Pardus (and possibly others) that are shipping it.

We must modify our message going forth or we'll lose credibility. Discussing with some others quickly on line, we have the following two statements that you can choose to use:

A)  openSUSE 11.4 is the first major distribution to ship LibreOffice

B)  openSUSE is among the first shipping LibreOffice.

Both are good, safe statements that retain truth.

Thanks! Bryen

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Bryen,

It might not have been clear and that is why the voting. Too me I could read into that we could use both.

Chuck

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On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Pieter De Decker wrote:

And finally something else that causes friction for new openSUSE users: it's a pain in the neck having to install proprietary support for formats such as MP3. I know there are complicated copyright issues involved with this, but if I recall correctly Ubuntu *does* offer an easy way to install these codecs. It's just one of those little annoyances I have with openSUSE. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a hater... I'm just trying to think about how friction could be reduced for new users.

I'm only going to comment on this part... We do pulling the Fluendo MP3 codec for GStreamer, just like we pullin Adobe Flash Player. If you run OnlineUpdate during setup, as recommended, you'll have MP3 support right out of the gate. - James Mason 'bear454' -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

I noticed that during the install openoffice.org is mentioned often and repeatedly in the slides...

I reported a related bug after testing openSUSE 11.4 RC2. "Office.desktop still uses the OpenOffice.org icon instead of the LibreOffice icon" https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=675222 Perhaps you can attach your information to that bug.

As for the codecs, if Users are directed to the Forums, there is plenty of comment and direction why packages with various codecs aren't included in base installs and where/how to get what they need.

Yes, I know that this problem can be solved. But my point is this: it's a pain in the neck and it's a major hurdle for new users. As far as I know, Ubuntu has a restricted formats wizard that automates the install of these codecs. The user has to consent to the install of these proprietary closed-source codecs and confirm that their actions don't violate any copyright laws where they live. Why can Canonical get away with it when Novell can't? Is this because SUSE has its headquarters in Germany and therefore has to adhere to different copyright laws than most distributions? Pieter 2011/3/10 Tony Su :

A brief comment relating to the subject of this thread, because someone is going to mention it...

I just completed installing 11.4 NET/LXDE and among the numerous install idiosynchrosies related to doing the install through a WiFi connection,

I noticed that during the install openoffice.org is mentioned often and repeatedly in the slides... But it looks like openoffice has been removed entirely from the OSS, replaced by the fork libreoffice. Personally, I know what's happening but be prepared for the many people who are going to comment on that.

Now, I've got to scrounge around for the place to post all those anomalies and idiosynchrosies during my install that should have been addressed during the Beta...

As for the codecs, if Users are directed to the Forums, there is plenty of comment and direction why packages with various codecs aren't included in base installs and where/how to get what they need.

Tony

On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 1:56 PM, James Mason wrote:

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On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Pieter De Decker wrote:

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And finally something else that causes friction for new openSUSE users: it's a pain in the neck having to install proprietary support for formats such as MP3. I know there are complicated copyright issues involved with this, but if I recall correctly Ubuntu *does* offer an easy way to install these codecs. It's just one of those little annoyances I have with openSUSE. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a hater... I'm just trying to think about how friction could be reduced for new users.

I'm only going to comment on this part...

We do pulling the Fluendo MP3 codec for GStreamer, just like we pullin Adobe Flash Player. If you run OnlineUpdate during setup, as recommended, you'll have MP3 support right out of the gate.

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