On Wednesday 09 November 2011 05:47:35 Raul Libório wrote:

GREAT idea of Ubuntu Team! It would be great having such a service.

There are already "Ask Ubuntu" and "Unix and Linux" sites there. Also a site for Android (it appeared after that for Ubuntu). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 09 November 2011 06:27:29 Roger Luedecke wrote:

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It would be great having such a service.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 23:42, Ilya Chernykh wrote:

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Hi!

What about having an answers site at stackexchange?

Ubuntu has one:

http://askubuntu.com/

Is there any way to host it locally or something? We have so many resources scattered to the four winds, I'm very wary of adding yet another thing.

I think there is but just note that stackexchange has similar Q&A sections related to math, physics, English language etc. They have common messaging system and interdependent scores. So people from different areas every day see "Ask Ubuntu" prompt with a logo. Note also that the site already has sections about Unix&Linux, programming and system administration. So there should be some professionals available willing and able to answer from the very beginning, while if you create a separate project you'll start from zero. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org

My personal opinion would be, help the admins on forums instead of creating a new spin. One reason because, that would help most of the people on forums who are already helping the people and its the same people who help always. So creating a new spin is not a good idea even though lucative rather help people on forum. On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Roger Luedecke wrote:

On Tuesday, November 08, 2011 06:42:49 PM Ilya Chernykh wrote:

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On Wednesday 09 November 2011 06:27:29 Roger Luedecke wrote:

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It would be great having such a service.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 23:42, Ilya Chernykh wrote:

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Hi!

What about having an answers site at stackexchange?

Ubuntu has one:

http://askubuntu.com/

Is  there any way to host it locally or something? We have so many resources scattered to the four winds, I'm very wary of adding yet another thing.

I think there is but just note that stackexchange has similar Q&A sections related to math, physics, English language etc. They have common messaging system and interdependent scores.

So people from different areas every day see "Ask Ubuntu" prompt with a logo.

Note also that the site already has sections about Unix&Linux, programming and system administration. So there should be some professionals available willing and able to answer from the very beginning, while if you create a separate project you'll start from zero. Well, if its a centralized answers platform then I see no reason not to drum up some volunteers for it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org

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On 2011-11-09 13:41:17 (+0400), Ilya Chernykh wrote:

On Wednesday 09 November 2011 09:36:14 Roger Luedecke wrote:

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Note also that the site already has sections about Unix&Linux, programming and system administration. So there should be some professionals available willing and able to answer from the very beginning, while if you create a separate project you'll start from zero.

Well, if its a centralized answers platform then I see no reason not to drum up some volunteers for it.

Once it is set up, people will help each other. There is no need for special "support" from SUSE.

(I wonder why that last comment is relevant in any way?) Sure, why not, but keep in mind that it will make even more communication channels -- I believe we already have way too many, as we're having a really hard time getting information across users and contributors: - around 60 different mailing-lists - around 60 different IRC channels - opensuse.org forums - several "unofficial" forums in various languages (often even duplicates of the "official" ones) - g+, facebook, ... Is there really much use of adding yet another one ? (might be, just ask yourself whether that's really the case :)) I mean, sure, why not, but we only have so many contributors and experienced users who would have time to help out... cheers -- -o) Pascal Bleser /\\ http://opensuse.org -- we haz green _\_v http://fosdem.org -- we haz conf

On 2011-11-09 14:03:49 (+0400), Ilya Chernykh wrote:

On Wednesday 09 November 2011 13:59:54 Pascal Bleser wrote:

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(I wonder why that last comment is relevant in any way?)

Sure, why not, but keep in mind that it will make even more communication channels -- I believe we already have way too many, as we're having a really hard time getting information across users and contributors: - around 60 different mailing-lists - around 60 different IRC channels - opensuse.org forums - several "unofficial" forums in various languages (often even duplicates of the "official" ones) - g+, facebook, ...

Is there really much use of adding yet another one ? (might be, just ask yourself whether that's really the case :))

I mean, sure, why not, but we only have so many contributors and experienced users who would have time to help out...

This is true but as I already pointed out, there is a lot of computer and Linux specialists in Stackexchange already, willing to help (of course not all the questions will be SUSE specific). This will add to the total number of people, not just spread existing ones to a yet another site, IMHO.

True if there are already people helping out on that topic, then it would just give them a "proper home" for doing so.

In SUSE forums only participate SUSE users, Stackexchange is visited by anybody (and if you participate in yet another section of stack exchange, you earn bonus scores in other sections).

I know stackexchange :) So is there anything that must be done ? Anything that you cannot do yourself for that ? Any sort of "ownership" of that section that can be shared across several people ? (to prevent a bus factor too high ;)) Would you have the time (and will) to check that out ? Once it's there, we can then spread the word around :) cheers -- -o) Pascal Bleser /\\ http://opensuse.org -- we haz green _\_v http://fosdem.org -- we haz conf

Ilya Chernykh wrote:

On Wednesday 09 November 2011 15:00:08 Pascal Bleser wrote:

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So is there anything that must be done ? Anything that you cannot do yourself for that ? Any sort of "ownership" of that section that can be shared across several people ? (to prevent a bus factor too high ;))

Would you have the time (and will) to check that out ?

Once it's there, we can then spread the word around :)

I do not know how the process of requesting sections is working. Possibly Ubuntu, Appla and Google have commercial relations with them (note that they have non-standard domain name for ubuntu section, not askubuntu.stackexchange.com, but askubuntu.com).

No one knows the process before asking the right person, and you can see the link 'contuct us' on the bottom of the StackExchange site. ;-) I'm the one who think communication channels should be concentrated as far as possible. But if you think creating another channel on StackExchange would be helpful, why not? If people think the new channel really useful and convenient, it will be used a lot, if people don't think so, it will be used only few. Quite simple. Please note, 'someone expect me should do'-tasks will be rarely realized. If you think this is really needed, you are the one who should step forward to ACT, instead of just asking. Best, -- _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing/Weekly News/openFATE Screening Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds_at_gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.zaq.ne.jp/opensuse/ _/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org

On 2011-11-09 10:24:12 (-0800), Roger Luedecke wrote:

On Wednesday, November 09, 2011 01:59:54 AM Pascal Bleser wrote: [...]

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Sure, why not, but keep in mind that it will make even more communication channels -- I believe we already have way too many, as we're having a really hard time getting information across users and contributors: - around 60 different mailing-lists - around 60 different IRC channels - opensuse.org forums - several "unofficial" forums in various languages (often even duplicates of the "official" ones) - g+, facebook, ...

Is there really much use of adding yet another one ? (might be, just ask yourself whether that's really the case :))

I mean, sure, why not, but we only have so many contributors and experienced users who would have time to help out...

Agreed. I personally would like to see a much more integrated approach. Frankly, I think we should swith to Kablink which would allow us to more effecctively cross-communicate.

Well one thing for sure (or several): * we will not remove the IRC channels * we will not remove the mailing-lists * we will not remove the forums * we will not remove the wiki So the question we should ask ourselves: do we want *more* communication infrastructure ? If using Kablink means removing a single one of the above, then forget it, really. There is no single more effective way to piss off half of the contributors (at least) than by removing one of the above. We certainly need a better infrastructure, as our communication is rather non-functional in many ways, but adding even more tools into the mix is something we really have to think about twice. cheers -- -o) Pascal Bleser /\\ http://opensuse.org -- we haz green _\_v http://fosdem.org -- we haz conf

Le 10/11/2011 00:05, Pascal Bleser a écrit :

We certainly need a better infrastructure, as our communication is rather non-functional in many ways, but adding even more tools into the mix is something we really have to think about twice.

agree. and don't forget connect. If we have to work on something it's on connect jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org

Le 10/11/2011 16:56, Roger Luedecke a écrit :

I really really dislike connect.

don't know who choosed it

Kablink is a far superior replacement to the current system used for connect. https://features.opensuse.org/312952

the fact that kablink is the opensource part of a Novell project is good. However, may be the moment is not well choosen to discuss this, given the 12.1 release. For example, I have no time to study this more right now. What I would like would be to discuss this back in a month (or may be in early January), when every body will have lot of time before working on 12.2. I also think that we should have a test install available. In anyway, such a hudge change have to be done with a lot of cautions, comments, discussions as it's a real pain to do and certainly can't be done too often. thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 09 November 2011 06:27:29 Roger Luedecke wrote:

Is there any way to host it locally or something? We have so many resources scattered to the four winds, I'm very wary of adding yet another thing.

I suggest considering this one: http://www.osqa.net/ It is GPLv3 and can be downloaded and installed. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org

On Wednesday, November 09, 2011 06:24:12 PM Jos Poortvliet wrote: ...

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What about having an answers site at stackexchange? ... All I can think about is...

http://xkcd.com/927/

+1 One more site will compete with other for user attention, and due to lack of qualified answers will give readers feeling that openSUSE leaves their users alone with problems. Also looking Alexa.com statistics, it seems that we have better Internet connections then mentioned web sites. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org

Le 10/11/2011 01:24, Jos Poortvliet a écrit :

All I can think about is...

http://xkcd.com/927/

how true :-)) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org