[opensuse-marketing] Question about bureaucracy
Hi, *In case of need* because - as Stathis mentioned - many times we' ll probably have the opportunity to present openSUSE in schools and other organizations that may be somewhat suspicious about "the 'hacker' in front", what is the official bureau of the openSUSE community, recognized by law in the European Union by which we could have a signature over a piece of paper? In case there is not one, at who do we go for this? Novell? Thank you -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Hi, I'm running a similar case and I'm going to do a workshop in my former high school. They have been pretty cool, but I am a former student from that institution and I know many people there, so I get some credibility. Last year I've also contacted the City Hall of Aveiro and the City Hall of Estarreja, in which I've spoken with the Council for Culture and Vice Presidents and they asked no identification. I've made a small presentation about the Fedora Project and why I was asking support. They were willing to make available free of charge the local Theater (controlled by the city hall) with 1400 seats for an event. It didn't happened (the event), but they were friendly all the way. I don't know how things work in other places, but a smile and a bold attitude usually does the thing.This is mainly my experience in Portugal, dunno abroad. nelson On Sat, 2010-09-25 at 20:09 +0300, Kostas Boukouvalas wrote:
Hi,
*In case of need* because - as Stathis mentioned - many times we' ll probably have the opportunity to present openSUSE in schools and other organizations that may be somewhat suspicious about "the 'hacker' in front", what is the official bureau of the openSUSE community, recognized by law in the European Union by which we could have a signature over a piece of paper?
In case there is not one, at who do we go for this? Novell?
Thank you
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On 25 September 2010 20:21, Nelson Marques
I don't know how things work in other places, but a smile and a bold attitude usually does the thing.This is mainly my experience in Portugal, dunno abroad.
nelson
Yes, this is right, but this is my generic situation when I go asking something. Usually the combination of a damn paper with a signature on it is the "something more" you need in order to go to the same place for a second time and to have a "generic prehistory" in case the administration there changes. On the other hand when we have to do with schools, always there will be the fear of the parent who is suspicious to the man who gives a talk to his child - and in my opinion this is fully understandable. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 26 September 2010 01:27:43 Kostas Boukouvalas wrote:
On 25 September 2010 20:21, Nelson Marques
wrote: I don't know how things work in other places, but a smile and a bold attitude usually does the thing.This is mainly my experience in Portugal, dunno abroad.
nelson
Yes, this is right, but this is my generic situation when I go asking something. Usually the combination of a damn paper with a signature on it is the "something more" you need in order to go to the same place for a second time and to have a "generic prehistory" in case the administration there changes.
On the other hand when we have to do with schools, always there will be the fear of the parent who is suspicious to the man who gives a talk to his child - and in my opinion this is fully understandable.
Henne wrote something about legal mumbojumbo - I know little about that and like to keep it that way. He's right in that the openSUSE Foundation should be of big help in this area, creating a legal entity which represents us. However, you can introduce yourself as an official openSUSE ambassador - you're on the list after all. If they ask for any credentials, how about your refer them to someone here who has? You could abuse the Board for this: just put suseROCKs in CC and say he's a member of the openSUSE Board. When you contact them, for example, you can CC him and say "hey and this is an openSUSE Board Member, he doesn't speak Greek but I just let him know I contacted you". He will probably just move the mail to trash or something but it might give them the impression that there is something official going on... I am sure Bryen would love to get more mails, especially if he can't read them :D Or you can use me, I have 'manager' in my title and while that doesn't count for much to us here, it might be just what they want to hear ;-) A final option would be to make up a new title. Let's say we make Carlos our Ambassador Manager so you can spam HIM :D Would any of that be helpful?
On 28 September 2010 15:41, Jos Poortvliet
On Sunday 26 September 2010 01:27:43 Kostas Boukouvalas wrote:
On 25 September 2010 20:21, Nelson Marques
wrote: I don't know how things work in other places, but a smile and a bold attitude usually does the thing.This is mainly my experience in Portugal, dunno abroad.
nelson
Yes, this is right, but this is my generic situation when I go asking something. Usually the combination of a damn paper with a signature on it is the "something more" you need in order to go to the same place for a second time and to have a "generic prehistory" in case the administration there changes.
On the other hand when we have to do with schools, always there will be the fear of the parent who is suspicious to the man who gives a talk to his child - and in my opinion this is fully understandable.
Henne wrote something about legal mumbojumbo - I know little about that and like to keep it that way.
He's right in that the openSUSE Foundation should be of big help in this area, creating a legal entity which represents us.
However, you can introduce yourself as an official openSUSE ambassador - you're on the list after all. If they ask for any credentials, how about your refer them to someone here who has? You could abuse the Board for this: just put suseROCKs in CC and say he's a member of the openSUSE Board.
When you contact them, for example, you can CC him and say "hey and this is an openSUSE Board Member, he doesn't speak Greek but I just let him know I contacted you". He will probably just move the mail to trash or something but it might give them the impression that there is something official going on... I am sure Bryen would love to get more mails, especially if he can't read them :D
Or you can use me, I have 'manager' in my title and while that doesn't count for much to us here, it might be just what they want to hear ;-)
A final option would be to make up a new title. Let's say we make Carlos our Ambassador Manager so you can spam HIM :D
Would any of that be helpful?
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Hello, I wrote the report but forgot to send it to the list. On October 1st-3rd, we participated to the celebrations for 100 years Scouting in Greece http://opensuseambassadors.blogspot.com/2010/09/opensuse-presence-at-celebra.... The last day was dedicated to animals since it was their world day celebration. For more info and pictures, check the full report: http://opensuseambassadors.blogspot.com/2010/10/opensuse-at-celebrations-for... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 25 September 2010 12:09:06 Kostas Boukouvalas wrote:
Hi,
*In case of need* because - as Stathis mentioned - many times we' ll probably have the opportunity to present openSUSE in schools and other organizations that may be somewhat suspicious about "the 'hacker' in front", what is the official bureau of the openSUSE community, recognized by law in the European Union by which we could have a signature over a piece of paper?
In case there is not one, at who do we go for this? Novell?
Thank you
Thank you for starting this topic. The same case was mentioned as a problem in some places in India, during meeting that was organized around that topic, on IRC #opensuse-in channel. They think that it would be much easier to approach people in charge to approve event in school or college, when person has some formal recognition by openSUSE. The gist of whole discussion was that despite prevalent meritocracy in FOSS where people that are active and productive are recognized as leaders, there is also outside world that has no time to dive into FOSS projects and learn who is who after hours or days of reading. That world needs simple ways to check who is the person approaching them and asking for their time. If we would have some formal recognition to help outside people check credentials, potential to present openSUSE will be drastically improved. We would not have to search for people inclined to FOSS in order to get time to present openSUSE, but actively advertise our presence to schools and colleges. It is much easier to locate school then FOSS inclined person within school. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Hi, On 9/26/10 1:48 AM, Rajko M. wrote:
On Saturday 25 September 2010 12:09:06 Kostas Boukouvalas wrote:
*In case of need* because - as Stathis mentioned - many times we' ll probably have the opportunity to present openSUSE in schools and other organizations that may be somewhat suspicious about "the 'hacker' in front", what is the official bureau of the openSUSE community, recognized by law in the European Union by which we could have a signature over a piece of paper?
openSUSE is no official organization. It's an open source project. The board is working on making an official "foundation" that represents the project but this is not done yet. Can you tell us in which situation you would need a signature for what? This is the first time we hear about something like that. Please elaborate.
In case there is not one, at who do we go for this? Novell?
If we would have some formal recognition to help outside people check credentials, potential to present openSUSE will be drastically improved.
We have a status like that: Membership. What do you think needs to be improved to make this more recognizable for the outside world? Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE http://www.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 27 September 2010 05:09:00 Henne Vogelsang wrote:
We have a status like that: Membership. What do you think needs to be improved to make this more recognizable for the outside world?
Speed up creation of foundation, please. Then, all that I see as need for source of credibility for contributors willing to go out and reach other organizations and companies, will settle by itself. (I will not have to spend time explaining.) -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
participants (6)
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Henne Vogelsang
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Jos Poortvliet
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Kostas Boukouvalas
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Nelson Marques
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Rajko M.
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Stathis Iosifidis (aka diamond_gr)