On 2011-03-23 Raul wrote:

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1. not a binary answer (see your sig) 2. not helpful at all, arguments work a lot better

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 14:30, Kim Leyendecker

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Dear all!

Apart these version number threads, this thread give another point:

In 11.3 the codename was "Teal" in 11.2 "Emerald". Maybe we can change the codename to the names of animals, who are threatened with extinction. As an example: openSUSE 12.0 "Narwhal" (Okay, a little bit Ubuntu copy in this case, but I simply don´t know such an animal, and I´m too lazy to search ;) )

What do you think? It´s independant from the version number discussion and we can maybe tell the world. to pay more attention to these animals. Remember: openSUSE is more then "just" an operating system

thanks

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Because of the large number of emails you received, may not have seen the other email, but I will resend for no misunderstandings.

Chuck is right. We can not go copying quirks of a distro or another. We must create our own means, that already exists. I would not want my favorite distro copying mode numbering or other codenames. We can create!

"Yes, we can!" - Quote from a little-known president ... It wasn´t planned as a copy of Ubuntu.... It was planned as a little

Am 26.03.2011 17:31, schrieb Raul: pass to show: "Hey, these animals are at risk!" The Narwhal-example was just choosen, because it lacks of a good example execpt the narwhal. thanks -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador http://www.opensuse.org Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Am 23.03.2011 19:41, schrieb Jan Krings:

Oh noo. Please no more animals. Let us find a another system or let the naming as it is. okay, then forget about this....

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On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 22:25 +0100, Will Stephenson wrote:

On Wednesday 23 Mar 2011 19:45:45 Kim Leyendecker wrote:

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Am 23.03.2011 19:41, schrieb Jan Krings:

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Oh noo. Please no more animals. Let us find a another system or let the naming as it is.

okay, then forget about this....

+1 - this whole versioning/naming discussion is the biggest waste of project energy imaginable.

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And my feeling is that regardless of whether we think such discussions are good or not, codenaming a development project belongs to a different mailing list than marketing. Marketing team has nothing to do with the development of the next release. It is the baby of the folks in factory or (possibly) more broadly in -project. And the parents are the ones who have the right to name their babies. Our input on naming/versioning etc should be for the end product that we actually market. Deciding 11.5 or 12.0 has impact in how we market the release, but codenaming... no it doesn't. Let the parents name their baby, not us. Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, 2011-03-24 at 09:27 +1100, Helen South wrote:

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:

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On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 22:25 +0100, Will Stephenson wrote:

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Our input on naming/versioning etc should be for the end product that we actually market. Deciding 11.5 or 12.0 has impact in how we market the release, but codenaming... no it doesn't. Let the parents name their baby, not us.

Bryen

Although I have seen 'Celadon' appear in some press comments here and there, so to some extent it is relevant. It seems some media expect a name.

And frankly, while I might not be writing code, I think my contribution gives me some small degree of ownership and the right to have a say.

cheers,

Helen

You are absolutely correct, and I don't mean to imply that we, as individuals, don't have a say. My point is that such a discussion about a factorydevelopment product should happen in the appropriate mailing list. In this case, it should be on the -factory ML or arguably, on the Project ML. *IF* we even think such a discussion should occur (and some people think it shouldn't.) Besides, as marketers, we should all be on other mailing lists and not just our own. Discussions of product that have broader implications should be discussed at that product's homebase or we'll continue to have two camps diverging. Marketers should offer input on marketing impact on those lists as well. We need more interactivity, not separation. For some out there, people are saying those marketing guys are making all these decisions without consulting us. And if we persist in having such discussions as codenaming here instead of over there, we're only reinforcing that perception. Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Helen South wrote:

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:   My point is that such a discussion about

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a factorydevelopment product should happen in the appropriate mailing list.  In this case, it should be on the -factory ML or arguably, on the Project ML.

Ok. That wasn't my impression from the 'their baby' comment, but I stand corrected.

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Besides, as marketers, we should all be on other mailing lists and not just our own.  Discussions of product that have broader implications should be discussed at that product's homebase or we'll continue to have two camps diverging.  Marketers should offer input on marketing impact on those lists as well. <snip>

Bryen

Good point; with the plethora of lists, I haven't been entirely sure what I should be subscribed to, and certainly some of these discussions do impact the whole project.

My impression was that Project and Factory is purely development and production oriented, ie for the discussion of core coding type issues, similar to project on Freenode.

Perhaps project and factory people should also be subscribed to marketing then, for marketing-relevant discussions which may impact them?

It sounds like everyone should be subscribed to everything....  /facepalm :P

cheers,

Helen

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Please move this thread to -project thread On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Jan Krings wrote:

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What do you think? It´s independant from the version number discussion and we can maybe tell the world. to pay more attention to these animals. Remember: openSUSE is more then "just" an operating system

thanks

Oh noo. Please no more animals. Let us find a another system or let the naming as it is.

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