On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 20:09 +1100, Helen wrote:

I don't think the issue is with your personal blog, Nelson, but rather personal blogs in general - it could as easily have been any one of us making a divergent opinion about an open source issue.

It needs to be decided whether personal opinion has a place in openSUSE News, and if it does, how best to filter it and present it.

There does need to be some stronger editorial review. This isn't the first time that a negative light got cast. When 11.3 was released, the special edition had a blog title in it that made it sound like there was a negative perception of 11.3, something we didn't need to have in a special edition. There are two things we need to consider though.... 1) While News.o.o is an important marketing tool, it is largely a group that functions on its own and I DO commend them for diligently putting out a new edition each week. I don't think we should assume control of the group as it was pretty much decided earlier this year that we weren't going to do that. But we do need to figure out a way to work together. 2) Time constraints are the biggest factor. The weekly edition gets worked on over the weekend and churned out before the weekend is over. Many of us don't reallly have an interest in spending our weekends working on some project when we have other things to do and need to actually have a life. So, even if we requested a better opportunity to review and give a thumbs-up, how do we fit that into our schedule? Bryen

I'm not sure about this - perhaps openSUSE News does need to be fairly 'business oriented' but most newspapers carry opinon pieces, and I enjoy reading them myself. Perhaps if the section was appropriately titled, and carried a 'views are those of the authors, not openSUSE.... ' disclaimer?

cheers,

Helen

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Sankar P wrote:

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On 10/28/2010 at 06:50 AM, in message <1288228831.6413.8.camel@magtheridon.opensurvey.it>, Nelson Marques wrote: I've mailed Pascal to remove my feeds from the planet.

I'll take the blame for what happened. Won't happen again ;)

Have labels in your blog and subscribe only a label to the feed. That way, it wont be a either-all-or-none type subscription. You can label certain posts of yours alone to be subscribed to the planet like this.

For instance, my planetsuse feed url is: http://psankar.blogspot.com/search/label/suse

My 2 cents.

Sankar

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On 2010-10-28 Satoru wrote:

Bryen M. Yunashko wrote:

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On Thu, 2010-10-28 at 20:09 +1100, Helen wrote:

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It needs to be decided whether personal opinion has a place in openSUSE News, and if it does, how best to filter it and present it.

It is not so difficult to *decide* whether we should introduce presonal opinions in our Weekly News or not. We can vote, if needed, and that's all.

The real problem is, as I wrote in another thread, how we can determine whether an article is a *personal* opinion or not. The borderline is sometimes fuzzy.

For example, Henne wrote a blog post titled 'Kick Ass!' http://blog.hennevogel.de/kick-ass/ Do you think it is his *personal* opinion?

You know, every opinion is more or less *personal*. ;-)

Nah, in my opinion it's not about 'personal'. It is more about 'negative'. Now indeed in the case of Nelson's blog it wasn't about openSUSE itself so that is even more complicated... But let's say there are 2 blogs. one saying "oh I love openSUSE so much" and the other one a careful analysis of how networking in openSUSE SUCKS BALLS. Now if you and Sacha and the others (after all, you do the work, you decide) think the Weekly News should be about marketing and telling the world how great openSUSE is, well, the second blog does not belong there. But if you want to inform the community about what is going on and what is being discussed, the second blog DOES belong there. Maybe that discussion has been had, and the conclusion was that the Weekly News is for communitiy communication - in that case, Nelson's blog was perfectly fine there. If it was never decided what the Weekly News is supposed to be - then that's fine too and this is a good time to have that discussion :D

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There does need to be some stronger editorial review. This isn't the first time that a negative light got cast. When 11.3 was released, the special edition had a blog title in it that made it sound like there was a negative perception of 11.3, something we didn't need to have in a special edition.

Of course I don't think we need to introduce FUDs in our Weekly News either. However, I think the borderline here is also fuzzy. Sometimes we need to know how openSUSE appear to be for people outside of the openSUSE project/community, even if they say some acid comments...

Ok, so in that vision the weekly news is meant to show our own community to our own community, and Nelson's blog was fine...

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There are two things we need to consider though....

1) While News.o.o is an important marketing tool, it is largely a group that functions on its own and I DO commend them for diligently putting out a new edition each week. I don't think we should assume control of the group as it was pretty much decided earlier this year that we weren't going to do that. But we do need to figure out a way to work together.

2) Time constraints are the biggest factor. The weekly edition gets worked on over the weekend and churned out before the weekend is over. Many of us don't reallly have an interest in spending our weekends working on some project when we have other things to do and need to actually have a life. So, even if we requested a better opportunity to review and give a thumbs-up, how do we fit that into our schedule?

The reason why we proofread, finalize and release new Issues over the weekend is very simple - Saturday night is the most convenient time for having proofreading session for (ATM) one and only proofreader (me).

Please remember, I'm neither a Novell employee nor receive a payment for contributing openSUSE at all. I'm just a volunteer and have my own job on weekdays. You wrote 'Many of us don't really have an interest in spending our weekends working on some project ...', but for me, 'I don't really have time for working on some project on weekdays'.

He, I work weekends AND weekdays so that means I can help :D

If someone says 'I can join the editorial review session, if it is held between XX:00 and YY:00 on [Mon-Fri]day', we can shift the schedule. When is the 'better opportunity' depends on who will actually do the task and when is the most convenient time for them. But don't forget, Weekly News will be published every week. ;-)

In my case, I spend 2-3 hours for proofreading every Saturday - no summer vacation, no Christmas, no New Year holidays, no Easter, no Halloween ... (I'm not a Christian, though. :-P) The same can be said for Sascha.

And I greatly respect you two for that! I knew the weekly news before I joined openSUSE and I read it sometimes ;-) Also, google finds it very often...

Anyway, if there's no one who will step forward to be involved in, this discussion will serve for nothing. I hope someone will raise his/her hand. ;-)

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I'm not sure about this - perhaps openSUSE News does need to be fairly 'business oriented' but most newspapers carry opinon pieces, and I enjoy reading them myself. Perhaps if the section was appropriately titled, and carried a 'views are those of the authors, not openSUSE.... ' disclaimer?

That can be a solution. But the borderline here might be fuzzy too. Imagine if someone will write a blog post *as a part of openSUSE project*, will it be a personal view, or a view of openSUSE?

Best,