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Jan-Simon Möller

6 Jan 2009 6 Jan '09

20:54

Hi @all! Issue 53 is out and i've some topics and questions for the next meeting to discuss: Schedule - I think the longer timeframe is good, but we should release (at least en) on monday night. @Zonker, what do you mean ? - The proposals to release the en newsletter as soon as its ready are good, but what about the language-links then ? They are messed-up then. We either have to insert links always when finished (and in all languages ... ooch), or create a page linking to the latest issues for each $LANG. - Thats not optimal IMHO. I'd rather include as much $LANG in the announcements. Ready Table - What do you think about this: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/Translations/Ready#Issue_54 ? - It's easy to understand and WYSIWYG even in the wiki. Full / Light - I liked the Hungarian Template and the Idea of an "light" version - if there's not much time or man-power. - Thats ok IMHO, we just need to do some polishing and rules to make it equal across languages. I've also in mind to rework the main template: some graphics as in the "light" template or perhaps some pics. Lets discuss these now and rule it out on Saturday. Best regards, Jan-Simon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

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Masim "Vavai" Sugianto

6 Jan 6 Jan

21:23

Hi, On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 3:54 AM, Jan-Simon Möller wrote:

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Issue 53 is out and i've some topics and questions for the next meeting to discuss:

Schedule - I think the longer timeframe is good, but we should release (at least en) on monday night. @Zonker, what do you mean ?

The longer time frame would be better but I agree that we should keep the news quite update. Actually, I enjoy current time frame, because it was my (and all of Indonesian translator) weekend project. Sorry, it's a question to Zonker, but I take a chance :-)

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- The proposals to release the en newsletter as soon as its ready are good, but what about the language-links then ? They are messed-up then. We either have to insert links always when finished (and in all languages ... ooch), or create a page linking to the latest issues for each $LANG. - Thats not optimal IMHO. I'd rather include as much $LANG in the announcements.

I would rather to keep the time frame as on schedule, so, even there is only few translating, we keep the weekly news updated. It's also make us tried to fit with the schedule. I know, quality is better than keep on schedule but we must also keep the quality by making the weekly news launch on schedule :-)

...

Ready Table - What do you think about this: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/Translations/Ready#Issue_54 ? - It's easy to understand and WYSIWYG even in the wiki.

It's a good idea, but I suggested to used acronym as header title and make a legend for describe the acronym. Annc as acronym for Announcements, Forum instead of openSUSE forum, Sec Upd for Security update and so on as an example.

...

Full / Light - I liked the Hungarian Template and the Idea of an "light" version - if there's not much time or man-power. - Thats ok IMHO, we just need to do some polishing and rules to make it equal across languages.

Light weekly news is a good idea and it's much easy to translate this into blog post. We should encourage people to spread the weekly news around blogosphere, isn't it ? -- Best Regards, Masim "Vavai" Sugianto /************************************************************/ Blog (ID) : http://www.vavai.com/blog Blog (EN) : http://www.vavai.net Community : http://www.opensuse.or.id Commercial : http://toko.vavai.biz /************************************************************/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Satoru Matsumoto

7 Jan 7 Jan

04:45

Masim "Vavai" Sugianto wrote:

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On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 3:54 AM, Jan-Simon Möller wrote:

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Issue 53 is out and i've some topics and questions for the next meeting to discuss:

Schedule - I think the longer timeframe is good, but we should release (at least en) on monday night. @Zonker, what do you mean ?

The longer time frame would be better but I agree that we should keep the news quite update. Actually, I enjoy current time frame, because it was my (and all of Indonesian translator) weekend project.

Sorry, it's a question to Zonker, but I take a chance :-)

...
- The proposals to release the en newsletter as soon as its ready are good, but what about the language-links then ? They are messed-up then. We either have to insert links always when finished (and in all languages ... ooch), or create a page linking to the latest issues for each $LANG. - Thats not optimal IMHO. I'd rather include as much $LANG in the announcements.

I would rather to keep the time frame as on schedule, so, even there is only few translating, we keep the weekly news updated. It's also make us tried to fit with the schedule.

I know, quality is better than keep on schedule but we must also keep the quality by making the weekly news launch on schedule :-)

I agree with Vavai. And as I previously posted, the translated issues are not for the people who can read English with no difficulty. They don't need to wait for completion of translating. So, the Main/en issue should be launched on schedule, without waiting for delayed translations.

...

...
Ready Table - What do you think about this: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/Translations/Ready#Issue_54 ? - It's easy to understand and WYSIWYG even in the wiki.

It's a good idea, but I suggested to used acronym as header title and make a legend for describe the acronym. Annc as acronym for Announcements, Forum instead of openSUSE forum, Sec Upd for Security update and so on as an example.

Proposals from Vavai and Christian in mind, I gave it a try to make another "ready table" as a material for further discussion on my User talk page. http://en.opensuse.org/User_talk:HeliosReds I know it's not good-looking because it's too large in width to display in a browser window. But I think it's necessary to add numbers in each column. Otherwise, we will be easily confused where to fill the flags while editing the table, won't we ?

...

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Full / Light - I liked the Hungarian Template and the Idea of an "light" version - if there's not much time or man-power. - Thats ok IMHO, we just need to do some polishing and rules to make it equal across languages.

Light weekly news is a good idea and it's much easy to translate this into blog post. We should encourage people to spread the weekly news around blogosphere, isn't it ?

Indeed. It is better than nothing ! And I hope this alternative will help making it much easier to start translating for untranslated languages.

...

...
I've also in mind to rework the main template: some graphics as in the "light" template or perhaps some pics.

Icons and pics are good idea to make the newsletter more visual and attractive. Additionally, how about a logo for the newsletter ? The logo that I imagine is something like the attachment. Note: It's just a draft and not polished yet. ;-) -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing & Weekly Newsletter Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds@gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.geeko.jp/author/heliosreds _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/

Piotrek Juzwiak

05:06

On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 13:45 +0900, Satoru Matsumoto wrote:

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Masim "Vavai" Sugianto wrote:

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On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 3:54 AM, Jan-Simon Möller wrote:

...
Issue 53 is out and i've some topics and questions for the next meeting to discuss:

Schedule - I think the longer timeframe is good, but we should release (at least en) on monday night. @Zonker, what do you mean ?

The longer time frame would be better but I agree that we should keep the news quite update. Actually, I enjoy current time frame, because it was my (and all of Indonesian translator) weekend project.

Sorry, it's a question to Zonker, but I take a chance :-)

...
- The proposals to release the en newsletter as soon as its ready are good, but what about the language-links then ? They are messed-up then. We either have to insert links always when finished (and in all languages ... ooch), or create a page linking to the latest issues for each $LANG. - Thats not optimal IMHO. I'd rather include as much $LANG in the announcements.

I would rather to keep the time frame as on schedule, so, even there is only few translating, we keep the weekly news updated. It's also make us tried to fit with the schedule.

I know, quality is better than keep on schedule but we must also keep the quality by making the weekly news launch on schedule :-)

I agree with Vavai. And as I previously posted, the translated issues are not for the people who can read English with no difficulty. They don't need to wait for completion of translating. So, the Main/en issue should be launched on schedule, without waiting for delayed translations.

...
...
Ready Table - What do you think about this: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/Translations/Ready#Issue_54 ? - It's easy to understand and WYSIWYG even in the wiki.

It's a good idea, but I suggested to used acronym as header title and make a legend for describe the acronym. Annc as acronym for Announcements, Forum instead of openSUSE forum, Sec Upd for Security update and so on as an example.

Proposals from Vavai and Christian in mind, I gave it a try to make another "ready table" as a material for further discussion on my User talk page. http://en.opensuse.org/User_talk:HeliosReds

I know it's not good-looking because it's too large in width to display in a browser window. But I think it's necessary to add numbers in each column. Otherwise, we will be easily confused where to fill the flags while editing the table, won't we ?

...
...
Full / Light - I liked the Hungarian Template and the Idea of an "light" version - if there's not much time or man-power. - Thats ok IMHO, we just need to do some polishing and rules to make it equal across languages.

Light weekly news is a good idea and it's much easy to translate this into blog post. We should encourage people to spread the weekly news around blogosphere, isn't it ?

Indeed. It is better than nothing ! And I hope this alternative will help making it much easier to start translating for untranslated languages.

...
...
I've also in mind to rework the main template: some graphics as in the "light" template or perhaps some pics.

Icons and pics are good idea to make the newsletter more visual and attractive. Additionally, how about a logo for the newsletter ? The logo that I imagine is something like the attachment. Note: It's just a draft and not polished yet. ;-)

I propose this template but a bit modified http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/Translations/Ready#Issue_54. But instead three flags we could have just X or O as finished or not. -- Piotrek Juzwiak -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Jan-Simon Möller

08:40

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I propose this template but a bit modified http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/Translations/Ready#Issue_54. But instead three flags we could have just X or O as finished or not.

What about: main [ ] (empy) = Not ready ( instead of "0" ) X = Done additional d = Draft / Work in progress (we need this imho for planning) Thats not that necessary (but helpful) for translations but interesting for the main newsletter/translators. * = changed since e.g. "X" - Last Minute change Best regards, Jan-Simon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Jan-Simon Möller

08:26

Am Wednesday 07 January 2009 05:45:15 schrieb Satoru Matsumoto:

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I agree with Vavai. And as I previously posted, the translated issues are not for the people who can read English with no difficulty. They don't need to wait for completion of translating. So, the Main/en issue should be launched on schedule, without waiting for delayed translations.

Ok, i agree - we just need a nice solution for the links and the announcement. a) something like "The openSUSE Weekly Newsletter is regularly translated to ...." (and don't care about the status) b) a wiki page linking to the latest issues for all $LANG

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Proposals from Vavai and Christian in mind, I gave it a try to make another "ready table" as a material for further discussion on my User talk page. http://en.opensuse.org/User_talk:HeliosReds

I know it's not good-looking because it's too large in width to display in a browser window. But I think it's necessary to add numbers in each column. Otherwise, we will be easily confused where to fill the flags while editing the table, won't we ?

Its a good idea, just the editors view is imho less obvious than my ascii-art ;). Added your proposal to the others at the bottom of the ready-page so we can evaluate.

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Full / Light - I liked the Hungarian Template and the Idea of an "light" version - if there's not much time or man-power. - Thats ok IMHO, we just need to do some polishing and rules to make it equal across languages.

Light weekly news is a good idea and it's much easy to translate this into blog post. We should encourage people to spread the weekly news around blogosphere, isn't it ?

Indeed. It is better than nothing ! And I hope this alternative will help making it much easier to start translating for untranslated languages.

Full ack.

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I've also in mind to rework the main template: some graphics as in the "light" template or perhaps some pics.

Icons and pics are good idea to make the newsletter more visual and attractive. Additionally, how about a logo for the newsletter ? The logo that I imagine is something like the attachment. Note: It's just a draft and not polished yet. ;-)

Lets collect proposals. Best, Jan-Simon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Christian Boltz

6 Jan 6 Jan

22:55

Hello, Am Dienstag, 6. Januar 2009 schrieb Jan-Simon Möller:

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Ready Table - What do you think about this: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/Translations/Ready#Issue_54 ? - It's easy to understand and WYSIWYG even in the wiki.

Without being part of the newsletter team (sorry, no time - see sig ;-) It's a good idea, but the header is nearly unreadable. What about something like this: Full or Light [F/L] Past Events | Announcement | Upcoming Events | | In the Community | | Security Updates | | | Status Updates | | | On the Web | | | | Tips and Tricks | | | | Statistics | | | | | News/Updates| | | | | Feedback | | | | | | Planet | | | | | | Credits | | | | | | SUSE | | | | | | | Special | | | | | | | Forum | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Last edited ----+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+----------- en | F | | | d | d | | d | | | | | | | | | | --Saigkill 22:11, 6 January 2009 (UTC) ----+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+----------- de | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ----+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+----------- ja | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | This should combine the advantages of the easy-to-edit "table" with readable headers. Other options would be to use doodle.com or to (find someone to) write a small PHP/whatever + MySQL application with nice dropdowns ;-) The advantage of a PHP/whatever app would be that you can reset a section in all languages if the en newsletter changed - but it will take several weeks until this pays out the needed development time ;-) Regards, Christian Boltz -- .: Schneewittchen & die Pfälzer Waldconnection :. Ein polit-kabarettistisches Märchenstück mit viel Musik gesungen & gespielt von Mitgliedern der Landjugend RheinhessenPfalz 18.1.2009 Berlin - 6.2.2009 Neustadt - Infos: www.LJ-RheinhessenPfalz.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Jan-Simon Möller

7 Jan 7 Jan

08:48

Added proposal to the wiki page for evaluation on next meeting. Best regards, Jan-Simon Am Tuesday 06 January 2009 23:55:10 schrieb Christian Boltz:

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Hello,

Am Dienstag, 6. Januar 2009 schrieb Jan-Simon Möller:

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Ready Table - What do you think about this: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/Translations/Ready#Issue_54 ? - It's easy to understand and WYSIWYG even in the wiki.

Without being part of the newsletter team (sorry, no time - see sig ;-)

It's a good idea, but the header is nearly unreadable.

What about something like this:

Full or Light [F/L] Past Events | Announcement | Upcoming Events | | In the Community | | Security Updates | | | Status Updates | | | On the Web | | | | Tips and Tricks | | | | Statistics | | | | | News/Updates| | | | | Feedback | | | | | | Planet | | | | | | Credits | | | | | | SUSE | | | | | | | Special | | | | | | | Forum | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Last edited ----+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+----------- en | F | | | d | d | | d | | | | | | | | | | --Saigkill 22:11, 6 January 2009 (UTC) ----+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+----------- de | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ----+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+----------- ja | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |

This should combine the advantages of the easy-to-edit "table" with readable headers.

Other options would be to use doodle.com or to (find someone to) write a small PHP/whatever + MySQL application with nice dropdowns ;-)

The advantage of a PHP/whatever app would be that you can reset a section in all languages if the en newsletter changed - but it will take several weeks until this pays out the needed development time ;-)

Regards,

Christian Boltz -- .: Schneewittchen & die Pfälzer Waldconnection :. Ein polit-kabarettistisches Märchenstück mit viel Musik gesungen & gespielt von Mitgliedern der Landjugend RheinhessenPfalz 18.1.2009 Berlin - 6.2.2009 Neustadt - Infos: www.LJ-RheinhessenPfalz.de

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