[opensuse-marketing] 11.5 vs. 12.0

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Kim Leyendecker

7 Mar 2011 7 Mar '11

18:37

03/07/2011 jdd wrote: Now that 11.4 is done and nearly out, we can think of the future. Okay, let us think of the future..... After the whole discussion about the 11.4 vs 12.0 topic in the end of the development cycle for the done release, I think it´s better to talk on it now and make clear which goals we want achieve with the successor of 11.4. I don´t want to call it 11.5 or 12.0, just the "successor" till the version number is clear. For this, I have two ideas here: Eight months after the 11.4 release, we´ve got November 2011. So, the release maybe can be called *12*, because 2011 is a linux celebration year (1991-2011, twenty years). If we use this tactic, we have to release it on the 17th September, because Linux 0.01 was released on the same date. Or we say, 11.5 is the logical, evolutionaly and not revolutionary successor of 11.0, 11.1, 11.2, 11.3 and 11.4 so it called *11.5* So far with the version game for marketing: What´s the technology way we want do for the 11.4 successor? Maybe.... * improvement of the LibreOffice integration * stable version of Firefox into the standard DVD/live CDs * KDE 4.x and GNOME 2.x _and_ GNOME 3.x * Unity? * Linux 2.6.xx so far, I know some people are very busy with the 11.4 release, and for them, I beg you to keep this thread in mind for the time *after* the 11.4 release, but if you can answer, if you have the time, do it now! thanks -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador http://www.suseusers.de.vu powered by openSUSE 11.4 RC2 | KDE 4.6 | Kernel-default 2.6.37.1-14 | using Tumbleweed openSUSE/Slashdot Profilname: openLHAG (OpenLHAG) Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

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Chuck Payne

7 Mar 7 Mar

18:51

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Kim Leyendecker wrote:

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03/07/2011 jdd wrote:

Now that 11.4 is done and nearly out, we can think of the future.

Okay, let us think of the future..... After the whole discussion about the 11.4 vs 12.0 topic in the end of the development cycle for the done release, I think it´s better to talk on it now and make clear which goals we want achieve with the successor of 11.4. I don´t want to call it 11.5 or 12.0, just the "successor" till the version number is clear.

For this, I have two ideas here:

Eight months after the 11.4 release, we´ve got November 2011. So, the release maybe can be called *12*, because 2011 is a linux celebration year (1991-2011, twenty years). If we use this tactic, we have to release it on the 17th September, because Linux 0.01 was released on the same date.

Or we say, 11.5 is the logical, evolutionaly and not revolutionary successor of 11.0, 11.1, 11.2, 11.3 and 11.4 so it called *11.5*

So far with the version game for marketing:

What´s the technology way we want do for the 11.4 successor?

Maybe....

* improvement of the LibreOffice integration * stable version of Firefox into the standard DVD/live CDs * KDE 4.x and GNOME 2.x _and_ GNOME 3.x * Unity? * Linux 2.6.xx

so far, I know some people are very busy with the 11.4 release, and for them, I beg you to keep this thread in mind for the time *after* the 11.4 release, but if you can answer, if you have the time, do it now!

thanks

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I think will be best to call the next one 12.0. Gnome 3 will be out. That's a major change. For developement and in-house we can call 11.5, but I think it really would be best to call it 12.0. But that's my 2 cents. -- (678) 636-9678 ----------------------------------------- Discover it! Enjoy it! Share it! openSUSE Linux. ----------------------------------------- openSUSE -- en.opensuse.org/User:Terrorpup openSUSE Ambassador/openSUSE Member skype,twiiter,identica,friendfeed -- terrorpup freenode(irc) --terrorpup/lupinstein Register Linux Userid: 155363 Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Kim Leyendecker

18:57

Am 07.03.2011 19:51, schrieb Chuck Payne:

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I think will be best to call the next one 12.0. Gnome 3 will be out. That's a major change. For developement and in-house we can call 11.5, but I think it really would be best to call it 12.0. But that's my 2 cents. I´m really contradictory in this way. For 12.0 I have a few (maybe) great and innovative ideas, which aren´t so stable as necessary, but 12.0 looks so new and innovative, whereas 11.5 looks like a consistant way to develop a *stable* and *well tested* operating system.

Your idea, let it call 11.5 during the development cycle looks great, but when theirs the first Milestone we have to decide..... And yes, GNOME3 is a major change. But I bet you, that their are some people into the KDE-resort who screams that their wasn´t something for KDE4 (As I remebered right, the first openSUSE with KDE4 *stable support* was 11.1, wasn´t it?) so far -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador http://www.suseusers.de.vu powered by openSUSE 11.4 RC2 | KDE 4.6 | Kernel-default 2.6.37.1-14 | using Tumbleweed openSUSE/Slashdot Profilname: openLHAG (OpenLHAG) Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Stuart Tanner

19:32

I am sure there was a beta for kde 3.9.95 iirc in 11.0 but it might have been 11.1, but anyway we are heading more and more like ubuntu all the time with version numbers reflecting the year if we don't change to 12 before 2012.. I don't really care what number we use but I thought it had to be inline with the release of enterprise 12 (which is why we went for 11.4 this time not 12 already as in theory and based on previous cycles, 10.0 - 10.3 and 9.0 - 9.3 we should be moving to 12.1 by now). I think we have more important thinks to do like promote openSUSE to the masses based on 11.4.. 11.4 is just about to go live (netcd is already live based on rc2 as the repositories are live already for 11.4). How can we promote openSUSE as a user friendly, quality operating system, which is ready for users to dump xp or vista and switch to. I think that the retail pack whilst giving money back to the community, and giving people an instruction manual plus technical support is also good because if they haven't used it before then it gives them a head start. But, just the packaging, the instruction manual and the support is still not enough to convince people, what else can we do to bring people into the community because I don't think even giving the software away for free works, because if it was we would be inundated with newbies already. Suggestions? Stuart On Monday 07 Mar 2011 18:57:23 Kim Leyendecker wrote:

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Am 07.03.2011 19:51, schrieb Chuck Payne:

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I think will be best to call the next one 12.0. Gnome 3 will be out. That's a major change. For developement and in-house we can call 11.5, but I think it really would be best to call it 12.0. But that's my 2 cents.

I´m really contradictory in this way. For 12.0 I have a few (maybe) great and innovative ideas, which aren´t so stable as necessary, but 12.0 looks so new and innovative, whereas 11.5 looks like a consistant way to develop a *stable* and *well tested* operating system.

Your idea, let it call 11.5 during the development cycle looks great, but when theirs the first Milestone we have to decide.....

And yes, GNOME3 is a major change. But I bet you, that their are some people into the KDE-resort who screams that their wasn´t something for KDE4 (As I remebered right, the first openSUSE with KDE4 *stable support* was 11.1, wasn´t it?)

so far

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jdd

19:35

Le 07/03/2011 20:32, Stuart Tanner a écrit :

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I think we have more important thinks to do like promote openSUSE to the masses based on 11.4..

and keep saying 11.4 is not a bugfix release of openSUSE 11?? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Chuck Payne

19:40

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:35 PM, jdd wrote:

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Le 07/03/2011 20:32, Stuart Tanner a écrit :

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I think we have more important thinks to do like promote openSUSE to the masses based on 11.4..

and keep saying 11.4 is not a bugfix release of openSUSE 11??

jdd

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Kostas, No one is fight. Only point out why we should move to 12.0. Gnome 3 is a big deal, specially since Ubuntu moving a way from Gnome. It a bit soon to move to naming, think this talk really needs to start Friday, we still need to finish the feature guide. -- (678) 636-9678 ----------------------------------------- Discover it! Enjoy it! Share it! openSUSE Linux. ----------------------------------------- openSUSE -- en.opensuse.org/User:Terrorpup openSUSE Ambassador/openSUSE Member skype,twiiter,identica,friendfeed -- terrorpup freenode(irc) --terrorpup/lupinstein Register Linux Userid: 155363 Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Stuart Tanner

8 Mar 8 Mar

13:32

On Monday 07 Mar 2011 19:35:23 jdd wrote:

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Le 07/03/2011 20:32, Stuart Tanner a écrit :

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I think we have more important thinks to do like promote openSUSE to the masses based on 11.4..

and keep saying 11.4 is not a bugfix release of openSUSE 11??

jdd

11.4 is not a bugfix release its a complete distribution but it doesn't have FF4 release or Gnome 3 release so what are the significant changes that would involve it being 12 other than standard naming conventions? -- Kind Regards Stuart Tanner Bolton Linux 24 Vincent Street Bolton BL1 4SA Tel: +44(0)1204 410474 Mob: +44(0)7868 028028 www.bolin.org.uk Distributing openSUSE in the UK Registered Linux User: 529825 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

jdd

14:24

Le 08/03/2011 14:32, Stuart Tanner a écrit :

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involve it being 12 other than standard naming conventions?

most non openSUSE people see any minor number to be minoe release. My server provider, for example, gives "openSUSE 11" jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Kostas Koudaras

7 Mar 7 Mar

19:32

I think that it is possible better to call the next one 11.5 since it will not be released on 2012 but on 2011 and to call 12.0 the first version(and only) that we will release on 2012 so that we will have a point of reference. Of course that is just a quick thought I made and I might change opinion easily if I hear something I will think that is a stronger point than mine. ...But for everybody's sake let's not turn this conversation to a fight about Graphical Environments because those may be a big part of each release but it does not represent the whole image of of the distribution. 2011/3/7 Kim Leyendecker :

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Am 07.03.2011 19:51, schrieb Chuck Payne:

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I think will be best to call the next one 12.0. Gnome 3 will be out. That's a major change. For developement and in-house we can call 11.5, but I think it really would be best to call it 12.0. But that's my 2 cents.

I´m really contradictory in this way. For 12.0 I have a few (maybe) great and innovative ideas, which aren´t so stable as necessary, but 12.0 looks so new and innovative, whereas 11.5 looks like a consistant way to develop a *stable* and *well tested* operating system.

Your idea, let it call 11.5 during the development cycle looks great, but when theirs the first Milestone we have to decide.....

And yes, GNOME3 is a major change. But I bet you, that their are some people into the KDE-resort who screams that their wasn´t something for KDE4 (As I remebered right, the first openSUSE with KDE4 *stable support* was 11.1, wasn´t it?)

so far

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Kim Leyendecker

19:40

Am 07.03.2011 20:32, schrieb Kostas Koudaras:

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I think that it is possible better to call the next one 11.5 since it will not be released on 2012 but on 2011 and to call 12.0 the first version(and only) that we will release on 2012 so that we will have a point of reference. Of course that is just a quick thought I made and I might change opinion easily if I hear something I will think that is a stronger point than mine. +1

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Ricardo Chung

11 Mar 11 Mar

22:18

On Monday, March 07, 2011 02:32:54 PM Kostas Koudaras wrote:

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I think that it is possible better to call the next one 11.5 since it will not be released on 2012 but on 2011 and to call 12.0 the first version(and only) that we will release on 2012 so that we will have a point of reference. Of course that is just a quick thought I made and I might change opinion easily if I hear something I will think that is a stronger point than mine.

...But for everybody's sake let's not turn this conversation to a fight about Graphical Environments because those may be a big part of each release but it does not represent the whole image of of the distribution.

2011/3/7 Kim Leyendecker :

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Am 07.03.2011 19:51, schrieb Chuck Payne:

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I think will be best to call the next one 12.0. Gnome 3 will be out. That's a major change. For developement and in-house we can call 11.5, but I think it really would be best to call it 12.0. But that's my 2 cents.

I´m really contradictory in this way. For 12.0 I have a few (maybe) great and innovative ideas, which aren´t so stable as necessary, but 12.0 looks so new and innovative, whereas 11.5 looks like a consistant way to develop a *stable* and *well tested* operating system.

Your idea, let it call 11.5 during the development cycle looks great, but when theirs the first Milestone we have to decide.....

And yes, GNOME3 is a major change. But I bet you, that their are some people into the KDE-resort who screams that their wasn´t something for KDE4 (As I remebered right, the first openSUSE with KDE4 *stable support* was 11.1, wasn´t it?)

so far

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Andreas Jaeger

7 Mar 7 Mar

20:47

On Monday, March 07, 2011 07:37:02 PM Kim Leyendecker wrote:

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03/07/2011 jdd wrote:

Now that 11.4 is done and nearly out, we can think of the future.

let's get 11.4 out first instead of starting endless discussions, please! If you have time, help the marketing team get everything ready for Thursday! Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Kim Leyendecker

21:02

Am 07.03.2011 21:47, schrieb Andreas Jaeger:

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On Monday, March 07, 2011 07:37:02 PM Kim Leyendecker wrote:

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03/07/2011 jdd wrote:

Now that 11.4 is done and nearly out, we can think of the future.

let's get 11.4 out first instead of starting endless discussions, please!

If you have time, help the marketing team get everything ready for Thursday!

Andreas That´s why I´ve written "When you have time...." Of course I mean time apart the 11.4 release, but if you say it´s better to work on 11.4 release, let us do this!

(But keep in mind to continue this thread when it´s time!) I would say: 11.5 vs. 12.0 Temporary out of order! thanks and a nice evening/day/whatever :) -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador http://www.suseusers.de.vu powered by openSUSE 11.4 RC2 | KDE 4.6 | Kernel-default 2.6.37.1-14 | using Tumbleweed openSUSE/Slashdot Profilname: openLHAG (OpenLHAG) Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Nelson Marques

8 Mar 8 Mar

00:07

New subject: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-factory] 11.5 vs. 12.0

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Kim Leyendecker wrote:

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03/07/2011 jdd wrote:

Now that 11.4 is done and nearly out, we can think of the future.

Okay, let us think of the future..... After the whole discussion about the 11.4 vs 12.0 topic in the end of the development cycle for the done release, I think it´s better to talk on it now and make clear which goals we want achieve with the successor of 11.4. I don´t want to call it 11.5 or 12.0, just the "successor" till the version number is clear.

For this, I have two ideas here:

Eight months after the 11.4 release, we´ve got November 2011. So, the release maybe can be called *12*, because 2011 is a linux celebration year (1991-2011, twenty years). If we use this tactic, we have to release it on the 17th September, because Linux 0.01 was released on the same date.

Or we say, 11.5 is the logical, evolutionaly and not revolutionary successor of 11.0, 11.1, 11.2, 11.3 and 11.4 so it called *11.5*

So far with the version game for marketing:

What´s the technology way we want do for the 11.4 successor?

Maybe....

* improvement of the LibreOffice integration * stable version of Firefox into the standard DVD/live CDs * KDE 4.x and GNOME 2.x _and_ GNOME 3.x * Unity?

Hi, I have really no position, whatever you guys decide, I know it's the best choice, that's one of the reasons why I've used SuSE Linux and laters, because I trusted people's expertise to make such calls :) About Unity, most of the pieces of the puzzle will be available for the next cycle, at least I know that: * GNOME 3 gnome-session supports the required session management (it's also working for GNOME2 with a backport); * Compiz 0.9.4 should be available (or later) with the required features (I'm using it with .ini backend as Vincent suggested, and it seems to work, thought for Unity we can ditch all the wrappers); * Unity so far (excluding the indicators stack) doesn't require additional patches, but still relies on very strang software (ex: glewMX for grabbing openGL extensions, and I really don't trust it and upstream kind ignored Adam calls up to today with a very required patch). So it should be possible. The current status of Unity is: - Exploding with gdk-pixbuf calls (already solved one missing symbol issue); - The init sub-system through gnome-session is found working with GNOME2 and should work with GNOME3 without trouble. It's really a matter of time until it pops. Additionally once this release cycle and GNOME3 tasks give people a bit more of time (for package reviews), we can take a closer look. If nothing strange happens we should be be able to provide Unity without major issues (without the indicator stack, and in the case we want to provide the indicator stack and the fancy OSX application menu's, that means having a few patches that weren't upstreamed). Though I've hammered a lot of software, I totally agree with Vincent as remaining as faithful as possible to upstream to avoid maintenance nightmares. Lets wait for compiz official release and integration and then Unity should be happening soon after. NM

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* Linux 2.6.xx

so far, I know some people are very busy with the 11.4 release, and for them, I beg you to keep this thread in mind for the time *after* the 11.4 release, but if you can answer, if you have the time, do it now!

thanks

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Vincent Untz

10 Mar 10 Mar

09:53

New subject: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-factory] 11.5 vs. 12.0

Le lundi 07 mars 2011, à 19:37 +0100, Kim Leyendecker a écrit :

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What´s the technology way we want do for the 11.4 successor? [...] * KDE 4.x and GNOME 2.x _and_ GNOME 3.x

I don't think the GNOME team has planned to have both GNOME versions. If that's something people want to see happen, please show up at the GNOME team meetings or on opensuse-gnome :-) Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Nelson Marques

11 Mar 11 Mar

14:48

New subject: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-factory] 11.5 vs. 12.0

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Vincent Untz wrote:

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Le lundi 07 mars 2011, à 19:37 +0100, Kim Leyendecker a écrit :

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What´s the technology way we want do for the 11.4 successor? [...] * KDE 4.x and GNOME 2.x _and_ GNOME 3.x

I don't think the GNOME team has planned to have both GNOME versions. If that's something people want to see happen, please show up at the GNOME team meetings or on opensuse-gnome :-)

I know the 'manpower' point of view, and against that there are no arguments. On the other side, considering that many people are throwing knifes at the alternative panels of G3 and stuff... I don't know if it wouldn't be wise to keep old GNOME for a couple of few loyalists. I know it reduces the impact of GNOME3, but on the other hand, might keep a sane alternative against migrations to LXDE and friends (maybe looking at Fedora planet once in a while will help a bit realize the mobilization for this DE's). Just a thought... nevertheless I'm staying out of such decisions and processes, too political for my taste. NM

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Cheers,

Vincent

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Vincent Untz

14:58

New subject: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-factory] 11.5 vs. 12.0

Le vendredi 11 mars 2011, à 14:48 +0000, Nelson Marques a écrit :

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On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Vincent Untz wrote:

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Le lundi 07 mars 2011, à 19:37 +0100, Kim Leyendecker a écrit :

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What´s the technology way we want do for the 11.4 successor? [...] * KDE 4.x and GNOME 2.x _and_ GNOME 3.x

I don't think the GNOME team has planned to have both GNOME versions. If that's something people want to see happen, please show up at the GNOME team meetings or on opensuse-gnome :-)

I know the 'manpower' point of view, and against that there are no arguments. On the other side, considering that many people are throwing knifes at the alternative panels of G3 and stuff...

gnome-panel is still available in GNOME 3 :-) So we can still build a GNOME 2-like interface with GNOME 3 if we want. Some things will be different, but I'm pretty sure those wouldn't be that much of a big deal to most people. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Nelson Marques

15:13

New subject: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-factory] 11.5 vs. 12.0

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 2:58 PM, Vincent Untz wrote:

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Le vendredi 11 mars 2011, à 14:48 +0000, Nelson Marques a écrit :

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On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Vincent Untz wrote:

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Le lundi 07 mars 2011, à 19:37 +0100, Kim Leyendecker a écrit :

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What´s the technology way we want do for the 11.4 successor? [...] * KDE 4.x and GNOME 2.x _and_ GNOME 3.x

I don't think the GNOME team has planned to have both GNOME versions. If that's something people want to see happen, please show up at the GNOME team meetings or on opensuse-gnome :-)

I know the 'manpower' point of view, and against that there are no arguments. On the other side, considering that many people are throwing knifes at the alternative panels of G3 and stuff...

gnome-panel is still available in GNOME 3 :-) So we can still build a GNOME 2-like interface with GNOME 3 if we want. Some things will be different, but I'm pretty sure those wouldn't be that much of a big deal to most people.

Vincent, I haven't run GNOME3 with 'nomodeset' to check it out, but there's a lot of people bullying GNOME3 in Fedora... The panels were one of the reasons invoked, so that's why I mentioned it... so we don't have to go through the same. Well, from my tiny experience with GNOME Shell and GNOME3, I do see some potential on it, and by not making G2 available we might push people to be spend more time with shell, I would suppose that would also increase the number of converts to G3/Gnome-shell. Which honestly is a very good thing. Take a look at the Fedora Planet for some insight. If you want I can compile a small set of links. NM

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Vincent

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Ralf Lang

15:19

New subject: [opensuse-marketing] Re: [opensuse-factory] 11.5 vs. 12.0

Am Freitag, 11. März 2011, 15:58:21 schrieb Vincent Untz:

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Le vendredi 11 mars 2011, à 14:48 +0000, Nelson Marques a écrit :

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On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Vincent Untz wrote:

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Le lundi 07 mars 2011, à 19:37 +0100, Kim Leyendecker a écrit :

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What´s the technology way we want do for the 11.4 successor?

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* KDE 4.x and GNOME 2.x _and_ GNOME 3.x

I don't think the GNOME team has planned to have both GNOME versions. If that's something people want to see happen, please show up at the GNOME team meetings or on opensuse-gnome :-)

I know the 'manpower' point of view, and against that there are no arguments. On the other side, considering that many people are throwing knifes at the alternative panels of G3 and stuff...

gnome-panel is still available in GNOME 3 :-) So we can still build a GNOME 2-like interface with GNOME 3 if we want. Some things will be different, but I'm pretty sure those wouldn't be that much of a big deal to most people.

Vincent

Who cares about gnome anyway ;-) My experiences from KDE awere that it's good to keep support for the old stable tree in parallel for at least one version. The K Desktop (a really great product broken by an over-ambitious major release) is now in its 4.6 and it's slowly coming back to a stage where I would recommend it to grandparents and other casual users. This Gnome3 thing seems to be a big step for the little gnomies, so I think it's wise to let them choose if they want to make this step this time or next time. Are we sure we want this discussion on two lists? -- Ralf Lang Linux Consultant / Developer B1 Systems GmbH Osterfeldstraße 7 / 85088 Vohburg / http://www.b1-systems.de GF: Ralph Dehner / Unternehmenssitz: Vohburg / AG: Ingolstadt,HRB 3537 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

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Andreas Jaeger
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