[opensuse-marketing] Artwork and marketing repository
As blogged about here:
http://dev-loki.blogspot.com/2011/02/new-repository-for-opensuse-artwork-and...
Instructions are here:
http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Marketing_and_Artwork_repository
Question is, of course, whether we should keep those
repositories separate (that one and the "art" repository [1] on
gitorious) or not.
We can obviously discuss everything at this point, including the
license (CC-BY-SA 3.0 at the moment).
[1] http://gitorious.org/opensuse/art
cheers
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-o) Pascal Bleser
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 02:28 +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote:
As blogged about here: http://dev-loki.blogspot.com/2011/02/new-repository-for-opensuse-artwork-and...
Instructions are here: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Marketing_and_Artwork_repository
Question is, of course, whether we should keep those repositories separate (that one and the "art" repository [1] on gitorious) or not. We can obviously discuss everything at this point, including the license (CC-BY-SA 3.0 at the moment).
[1] http://gitorious.org/opensuse/art
cheers
Thank you Pascal. As mentioned in IRC, this is an important step we are doing now to move to a more open collaborative and sharing environment and indeed very well timed just before the start of hackfest. Wish you were able to join us. :-/ We've still got a lot more work to do, but getting past this first hurdle makes all the difference in the world. Again, thanks! Bryen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Le 16/02/2011 02:28, Pascal Bleser a écrit :
CC-BY-SA 3.0
what we *have* to discuss early is *the way* ,the licence can be repsected. It's easy for text, but for posters, photos, videos it's much more difficult. If we have to insert the licence and the authors name *in the photo* it's a problem (specially for logos, small images, small definition videos) how can I do If I use one's image for part of a youtube video? I at least have to get a way to have the prefered name (for the "générique" sorry I don't know the english word) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 6:17 PM, jdd
Le 16/02/2011 02:28, Pascal Bleser a écrit :
CC-BY-SA 3.0
what we *have* to discuss early is *the way* ,the licence can be repsected.
It's easy for text, but for posters, photos, videos it's much more difficult.
If we have to insert the licence and the authors name *in the photo* it's a problem (specially for logos, small images, small definition videos)
how can I do If I use one's image for part of a youtube video? I at least have to get a way to have the prefered name (for the "générique" sorry I don't know the english word)
jdd
Metadata is a visible and acceptable means of recording license information for multimedia. ( http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Marking/Creators ) As the linked article mentions, nobody expects license information imposing across an image. Sometimes this is used in order to help prevent breach of copyright, but it is not an actual license requirement. As per the above article, it seems that publishing the information on the web page that serves the media would be ideal, or in a short credit at the end of the media (like the regular movie credits), but Metadata can certainly fill that role. For complex documents with many sources, perhaps it would suffice to point to a file on Gitorious with 'Full license and attribution here: <link>' cheers Helen -- IRC: helen_au helen.south@opensuse.org helensouth.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Le 16/02/2011 09:33, Helen South a écrit :
For complex documents with many sources, perhaps it would suffice to point to a file on Gitorious with 'Full license and attribution here: <link>'
don't know if this is allowed. But the main concern is for * printed material (or material exposed on the web as pdf, to be printed by the user) - how do we respect the licence (specially attribution) * same for multiple authors document: for example a video collecting lot of images from various authors and various origins. Most video don't share metadata and making a trailer with all the names in a readable format is problematic. That's why I beg we should (on the marketting team, at least), have some sort of "attribution to the marketting team", that mean each author accepts that on collective works the attribution is made only to the marketting team. That may mean we have a persistent wiki page with the list of the team members and a link to they work (easy on mediawiki, as this link is provided by the application, I don't know for GIT) We could have two kind of legal notice * "Made by the openSUSE team" when it's an "official" product and * Made with the openSUSE team materials" when made by anybody with at least part of the material found on our repositories jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On 02/16/2011 10:04 AM, jdd wrote:
Le 16/02/2011 09:33, Helen South a écrit :
For complex documents with many sources, perhaps it would suffice to point to a file on Gitorious with 'Full license and attribution here: <link>'
don't know if this is allowed.
But the main concern is for
* printed material (or material exposed on the web as pdf, to be printed by the user) - how do we respect the licence (specially attribution) Metatags
* same for multiple authors document: for example a video collecting lot of images from various authors and various origins. Most video don't share metadata and making a trailer with all the names in a readable format is problematic. Metatags, if not available then this material is not suitable .
That's why I beg we should (on the marketting team, at least), have some sort of "attribution to the marketting team", that mean each author accepts that on collective works the attribution is made only to the marketting team. That's sound like what Sun and others have ask to contributors, and failed.
That may mean we have a persistent wiki page with the list of the team members and a link to they work (easy on mediawiki, as this link is provided by the application, I don't know for GIT)
We could have two kind of legal notice
* "Made by the openSUSE team"
It could be made by others, who just want to contribute one time, or for a specific reason. Would they become de-facto member of openSUSE team ? We're all in it.
when it's an "official" product
and
* Made with the openSUSE team materials"
when made by anybody with at least part of the material found on our repositories
jdd
jdd, don't restart a thread about cc license or whatever. this repo is made to get content in it. We need the things get done, and quickly only 22 days left. We need act, and materials, otherwise on 10th March we only have nice philosophical threads to propose to reporters and media. That's my point of view. And nothing will change it [really :-)] -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Ambassador GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
Le 16/02/2011 10:29, Bruno Friedmann a écrit :
* "Made by the openSUSE team"
It could be made by others, who just want to contribute one time, or for a specific reason. Would they become de-facto member of openSUSE team ? We're all in it.
so second option * Made with the openSUSE team materials"
when made by anybody with at least part of the material found on our repositories
jdd
jdd, don't restart a thread about cc license or whatever. this repo is made to get content in it. We need the things get done, and quickly only 22 days left. We need act, and materials, otherwise on 10th March we only have nice philosophical threads to propose to reporters and media.
That's my point of view. And nothing will change it [really :-)]
I'm on the way of making videos, but I use part of the marketting team material (screen shots, wall papers). What may I do for the attribution?? I must have an answer fairly quick :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
On 2011-02-16 11:28:35 (+0100), jdd
Le 16/02/2011 10:29, Bruno Friedmann a écrit :
* "Made by the openSUSE team" It could be made by others, who just want to contribute one time, or for a specific reason. Would they become de-facto member of openSUSE team ? We're all in it.
so second option * Made with the openSUSE team materials"
The attribution doesn't need to be in the video IMHO. Mentioning it on a page that links to the video, or embeds the video, ought to be sufficient.
when made by anybody with at least part of the material found on our repositories jdd, don't restart a thread about cc license or whatever. this repo is made to get content in it. We need the things get done, and quickly only 22 days left. We need act, and materials, otherwise on 10th March we only have nice philosophical threads to propose to reporters and media.
That's my point of view. And nothing will change it [really :-)]
Agreed, although we should indeed discuss the license and how people can use or modify the stuff we make. If we don't, we'll end up in a situation where people simply don't know, and either won't care, or won't use it (which is clearly not what we want.) But I agree that we don't need to solve it right now.
I'm on the way of making videos, but I use part of the marketting team material (screen shots, wall papers). What may I do for the attribution?? I must have an answer fairly quick :-)
Well, we're not going to sue you, are we ? :)
As long as your videos are CC-BY-SA or CC-BY-NC-SA, I don't see
a problem.
We can also define several licenses as being acceptable,
something like "original or derivative content of this
repository must be under one of the following licenses:
* CC-BY-SA
* CC-BY-NC-SA
* GFDL
* GPL
"
Attribution and share-alike is important though:
* attribution to make it clear that it is work that we did, and
not anybody else (same as with all opensource licenses)
* share-alike: while we want to permit commercial use of our
work, we want modifications to be licensed under the same
license (sort of the spirit of the GPL)
I'm not sure whether it's currently possible to *use* our
material in commercial work (attribution must be made, but the
content may be proprietary), nor whether we want to allow that.
cheers
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-o) Pascal Bleser
On 2011-02-16 10:29:42 (+0100), Bruno Friedmann
On 02/16/2011 10:04 AM, jdd wrote: [...]
That's why I beg we should (on the marketting team, at least), have some sort of "attribution to the marketting team", that mean each author accepts that on collective works the attribution is made only to the marketting team.
That's sound like what Sun and others have ask to contributors, and failed.
Maybe, yeah, it's a bit similar.
But it is a worthwile question.
Bruno is referring to "copyright assignment", which is actually
much more of an "ownership transfer", which means that
everything you commit to the repository would be owned by the
openSUSE project, and not by you. You hence transfer the
ownership to the project.
There is only one use case where that is useful, and that is if
you want to change the license of the content.
If you don't do copyright assignment, then we need to ask every
single contributor of our repository whether she is fine with
changing the license.
We don't need transfer of ownership apart from that, as
everything anyone commits to the repository is under CC-BY-SA
(or GFDL or ..., see the other mail on that thread), which
permits reuse and modification, as long as it is under a
compatible license.
As long as we define the appropriate licenses upfront, that
won't be much of an issue. And as we have a real repository, we
can also track who did what and when.
The thing is that until now we totally didn't care about the
licenses of the artwork and marketing material we were making,
and we *must* do that.
The remaining question about attribution is whether the
attribution (as of CC-BY-SA, or GFDL, or ...) should be
mentioned as the individual person who made the work, or to the
openSUSE project, or to the openSUSE marketing team (or the
artwork team), etc...
The most pragmatic solution, and the fairest, IMHO, is that the
attribution should go to "the openSUSE project".
We probably should mention that explicitly somewhere, and also
that by committing content to the repository, you accept that:
* the work is still owned by you, and by whomever makes
modifications to it
* that it is licensed under one of the licenses we define and
accept use of (CC-BY-SA, CC-BY-NC-SA, GFDL, ...)
* that attributions are "to the openSUSE project", and not to
you individually
Individual attributions would really be a nightmare to work with
in practice...
cheers
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-o) Pascal Bleser
Le 16/02/2011 14:11, Pascal Bleser a écrit : The most pragmatic solution, and the fairest, IMHO, is that the
attribution should go to "the openSUSE project".
exactly what I mean
Individual attributions would really be a nightmare to work with in practice...
exactly what I was proposing is even more : * only give the team attribution *on the medium or it's vicinity* (wab page, printed on it, end of video) (if possible a simple URL!) * on our web site hold a link with every author's name linked to his work, so any people that come on the team licence page can follow and find who is author of what. The latter is important because the "attribution" is a matter of reward, somebody liking the work may ask the author for some paid work. for my personal case, I'm retired and don't seek for money :-(. I simply want to give the correct attribution when I use other's work. And yes, the sooner this have a solution, better we may live in the future :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
The most pragmatic solution, and the fairest, IMHO, is that the
attribution should go to "the openSUSE project". We probably should mention that explicitly somewhere, and also that by committing content to the repository, you accept that: * the work is still owned by you, and by whomever makes modifications to it * that it is licensed under one of the licenses we define and accept use of (CC-BY-SA, CC-BY-NC-SA, GFDL, ...) * that attributions are "to the openSUSE project", and not to you individually
Individual attributions would really be a nightmare to work with in practice...
cheers -- -o) Pascal Bleser
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Similar to this, in my day job we have a 'user agreement' (there's a short and a long version) that users agree to implicitly when they use the site and upload content, and explicitly (a signed form) when they contribute an article formally. That makes the license transfer very clear. With the varied contributions and collaboration that goes on, the 'openSUSE Project' attribution would be appropriate. I do think it would be NICE for people to try to include personal attribution where a major contribution has been made, because often people do open source work to build their portfolios - and it's good to give credit where it's due - but again this should be a 'nice to have' where possible and NOT a requirement. I think it's particularly critical to build a resource of foundation materials, such as backgrounds and stock photography, that is copyright free and can be used without seeking permissions. It might be worth investing in the purchase of some high quality stock. cheers, Helen -- IRC: helen_au helen.south@opensuse.org helensouth.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org
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Bruno Friedmann
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Bryen M. Yunashko
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Helen South
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jdd
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Pascal Bleser