[opensuse-marketing] Weekly News Logo

Sascha 'saigkill' Manns

10 Jan 2009 10 Jan '09

17:36

Hello, now i recieved the first two canditates from our Logo. It can be viewed under: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/Logo. Also visible under the Portal. -- Sincereley yours Sascha Manns openSUSE Marketing Team (Weekly News) openSUSE Build Service Web: http://saschamanns.gulli.to Blog: http://lizards.opensuse.org/author/saigkill -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

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Kevin Dupuy

12 Jan 12 Jan

00:07

On Sat, 2009-01-10 at 18:36 +0100, Sascha 'saigkill' Manns wrote:

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Hello,

now i recieved the first two canditates from our Logo. It can be viewed under: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/Logo. Also visible under the Portal.

Here's another possible logo for ya (attached) -- Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy - openSUSE Member Public Mail: Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays from the Yeaux!

Magnus Boman

00:44

Kevin, On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 18:07 -0600, Kevin Dupuy wrote:

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On Sat, 2009-01-10 at 18:36 +0100, Sascha 'saigkill' Manns wrote:

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Hello,

now i recieved the first two canditates from our Logo. It can be viewed under: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/Logo. Also visible under the Portal.

Here's another possible logo for ya (attached)

You might want to check the ART page on openSUSE.org [1]. From my understanding, the change you've made is not allowed. Cheers, Magnus [1] http://en.opensuse.org/Artwork:Brand -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Sascha 'saigkill' Manns

01:04

Hello Magnus, On Montag 12 Januar 2009 01:44:35 Magnus Boman wrote:

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You might want to check the ART page on openSUSE.org [1]. From my understanding, the change you've made is not allowed. [1] http://en.opensuse.org/Artwork:Brand You're right. That you are posted, i doesn't know. Thank you for your Tip.

-- Sincereley yours Sascha Manns openSUSE Marketing Team (Weekly News) openSUSE Build Service Web: http://saschamanns.gulli.to Blog: http://lizards.opensuse.org/author/saigkill -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Satoru Matsumoto

04:12

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Magnus Boman wrote:

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You might want to check the ART page on openSUSE.org [1].

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[1] http://en.opensuse.org/Artwork:Brand

Sometimes I'm confused by the branding. Mugnus, yes, you are right. But, for example, you can see some logos in "Category:Logos". http://en.opensuse.org/Category:Logos Comforming with the branding, some logos in that page are not allowed. But I remember, red-capped Geeko was on the 'Main page' of the Wiki during Christmas season a few years ago and I have not heard that Novell lodged an objection about that. So, I'd like to ask Novell, "Are we not allowed to modify logos you own at all, even if we want to use it for our community activities ?" If we are allowed to modify logos under certain conditions, I'd like to know the criteria and restrictions. Best, - -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing & Weekly News Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds@gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.geeko.jp/author/heliosreds _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAklqwzIACgkQXnHIfHE6+z1/WACfaC7x9xPjdcDYxjO12HS2yffg XdoAnAqw7WY0JXR7cscFIgeWhIGzDke6 =v0FO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier

14:35

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Satoru Matsumoto wrote:

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Comforming with the branding, some logos in that page are not allowed. But I remember, red-capped Geeko was on the 'Main page' of the Wiki during Christmas season a few years ago and I have not heard that Novell lodged an objection about that.

If it was a few years ago, we might not have had the guidelines we have now -- or it may have been missed. Or the creator might have asked / received permission. Just because something slips through, it may not indicate that the guidelines have changed. ;-)

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So, I'd like to ask Novell, "Are we not allowed to modify logos you own at all, even if we want to use it for our community activities ?"

We're working on a trademark policy, and hope to have it done relatively soon. Tentatively, what we would like to have is a logo that's used for "official" communications, boxes, etc. and a logo that is available for "community" activities and can be modified. You can always ask permission to use the "official" logo as well -- but what we'd like is a policy that allows as many things automatically as possible. Since we have limited manpower, especially on the legal side, we want to automate as much as possible and limit the "special cases."

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If we are allowed to modify logos under certain conditions, I'd like to know the criteria and restrictions.

We're working on that and we'll publish it as soon as we can. Do you have any input on what kind of situations you need to modify the logo vs. using the stock logo? (Aside from this one, of course...) Best, Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier openSUSE Community Manager jzb@zonker.net http://zonker.opensuse.org/ http://blogs.zdnet.com/community/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Satoru Matsumoto

13 Jan 13 Jan

03:07

Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote:

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On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Satoru Matsumoto wrote:

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Comforming with the branding, some logos in that page are not allowed. But I remember, red-capped Geeko was on the 'Main page' of the Wiki during Christmas season a few years ago and I have not heard that Novell lodged an objection about that.

If it was a few years ago, we might not have had the guidelines we have now -- or it may have been missed. Or the creator might have asked / received permission. Just because something slips through, it may not indicate that the guidelines have changed. ;-)

Looking at the 11.1 DVDs which I received for the local launch party, I can see '*green* Geeko on *gray* background'. But in Artwork:Brand[1] page, it is described: - When using the logo on top of textured or colored background, use the monochrome version of the logo. The SUSE green should only be used on white backgrounds. [1] http://en.opensuse.org/Artwork:Brand Doesn't it contradict the principle ? Or, is it asked and permitted ? I don't mean to object about that, of cource. What I want to say is, branding policies that we have now in Artwork:Brand page are not transformed into reality, because there are already many 'modified Geeko's all over the world.

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So, I'd like to ask Novell, "Are we not allowed to modify logos you own at all, even if we want to use it for our community activities ?"

We're working on a trademark policy, and hope to have it done relatively soon.

Tentatively, what we would like to have is a logo that's used for "official" communications, boxes, etc. and a logo that is available for "community" activities and can be modified.

You can always ask permission to use the "official" logo as well -- but what we'd like is a policy that allows as many things automatically as possible. Since we have limited manpower, especially on the legal side, we want to automate as much as possible and limit the "special cases."

IMHO, policies, restrictions and bans described in present Artwork:Brand are not for the openSUSE project or community, but for the business partners or resellers from Novell's eyes. If some companies want to use openSUSE logos or Geeko for their business, they should use them only as directed. But if someone want to use them for openSUSE related projects or communities, restrictions should be more flexible.

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If we are allowed to modify logos under certain conditions, I'd like to know the criteria and restrictions.

We're working on that and we'll publish it as soon as we can. Do you have any input on what kind of situations you need to modify the logo vs. using the stock logo? (Aside from this one, of course...)

Well, if I want to make a new logo as a symbol for Japanese local user group, I'd like to combine Geeko, custom logo for "Japanese Users Group" and, for example, Fujiyama's figure or Japanese flag or map to make the logo. :-) Geeko with Statue of Liberty for LUG in US, Geeko with matador for Spanish LUG, Geeko with panda for chinese LUG..., I think they also will be useful. In addition, as Weekly News Team is just about to make the logo for Weekly News, I think making new logos for each Teams might be a good idea. How about Geeko with KDE gears for KDE Team, Geeko with GNOME foot print for GNOME Team, Geeko with Yastie for YaST Team, etc. ;-) But under policies, restrictions and bans described in present Artwork:Brand, those ideas can't become reality unless permitted by Novell in each case. IMHO, we don't need the articles such as "minimal external spacing" for spacing, articles described in "Things to Avoid", as far as the purpose is for openSUSE related project's or community's activities. Best, -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing & Weekly News Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds@gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.geeko.jp/author/heliosreds _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier

15:18

On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Satoru Matsumoto wrote:

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Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote:

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On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Satoru Matsumoto wrote:

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Comforming with the branding, some logos in that page are not allowed. But I remember, red-capped Geeko was on the 'Main page' of the Wiki during Christmas season a few years ago and I have not heard that Novell lodged an objection about that.

If it was a few years ago, we might not have had the guidelines we have now -- or it may have been missed. Or the creator might have asked / received permission. Just because something slips through, it may not indicate that the guidelines have changed. ;-)

Looking at the 11.1 DVDs which I received for the local launch party, I can see '*green* Geeko on *gray* background'. But in Artwork:Brand[1] page, it is described:

- When using the logo on top of textured or colored background, use the monochrome version of the logo. The SUSE green should only be used on white backgrounds.

[1] http://en.opensuse.org/Artwork:Brand

Doesn't it contradict the principle ? Or, is it asked and permitted ?

The DVD face was designed by Novell, so yes we gave permission.

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I don't mean to object about that, of cource. What I want to say is, branding policies that we have now in Artwork:Brand page are not transformed into reality, because there are already many 'modified Geeko's all over the world.

Once we have a branding policy, we can modify the brand page accordingly if necessary. Yes, modified Geekos do exist.

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IMHO, policies, restrictions and bans described in present Artwork:Brand are not for the openSUSE project or community, but for the business partners or resellers from Novell's eyes. If some companies want to use openSUSE logos or Geeko for their business, they should use them only as directed. But if someone want to use them for openSUSE related projects or communities, restrictions should be more flexible.

The policy applies equally. If someone wants to use the logos in a different fashion, they can always ask permission. The page is there primarily to provide guidelines that describe the way we want the logo used (typically) and also to minimize the amount of discussion necessary so that the majority of the time anyone who wants to use the logo understands the use cases we approve automatically. We do provide the secondary logo for use more informally.

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Well, if I want to make a new logo as a symbol for Japanese local user group, I'd like to combine Geeko, custom logo for "Japanese Users Group" and, for example, Fujiyama's figure or Japanese flag or map to make the logo. :-) Geeko with Statue of Liberty for LUG in US, Geeko with matador for Spanish LUG, Geeko with panda for chinese LUG..., I think they also will be useful. In addition, as Weekly News Team is just about to make the logo for Weekly News, I think making new logos for each Teams might be a good idea. How about Geeko with KDE gears for KDE Team, Geeko with GNOME foot print for GNOME Team, Geeko with Yastie for YaST Team, etc. ;-)

Thanks much for the examples. Good stuff!

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But under policies, restrictions and bans described in present Artwork:Brand, those ideas can't become reality unless permitted by Novell in each case.

That's not the case - we have the secondary logo, which says: "The round button can be freely colored and combined with other graphical elements to form spinners or project logos. It is also allowed to give it custom color treatment."

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IMHO, we don't need the articles such as "minimal external spacing" for spacing, articles described in "Things to Avoid", as far as the purpose is for openSUSE related project's or community's activities.

The Marketing Communications folks would disagree with that. :-) Best, Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier openSUSE Community Manager jzb@zonker.net http://zonker.opensuse.org/ http://blogs.zdnet.com/community/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Satoru Matsumoto

14 Jan 14 Jan

03:15

Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote:

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On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Satoru Matsumoto wrote:

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On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Satoru Matsumoto wrote:

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Comforming with the branding, some logos in that page are not allowed. But I remember, red-capped Geeko was on the 'Main page' of the Wiki during Christmas season a few years ago and I have not heard that Novell lodged an objection about that. If it was a few years ago, we might not have had the guidelines we have now -- or it may have been missed. Or the creator might have asked / received permission. Just because something slips through, it may not indicate that the guidelines have changed. ;-) Looking at the 11.1 DVDs which I received for the local launch party, I can see '*green* Geeko on *gray* background'. But in Artwork:Brand[1]

Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote: page, it is described:

- When using the logo on top of textured or colored background, use the monochrome version of the logo. The SUSE green should only be used on white backgrounds.

[1] http://en.opensuse.org/Artwork:Brand

Doesn't it contradict the principle ? Or, is it asked and permitted ?

The DVD face was designed by Novell, so yes we gave permission.

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I don't mean to object about that, of cource. What I want to say is, branding policies that we have now in Artwork:Brand page are not transformed into reality, because there are already many 'modified Geeko's all over the world.

Once we have a branding policy, we can modify the brand page accordingly if necessary.

Yes, modified Geekos do exist.

I have many artworks such as wallpapers, icons, cliparts, etc. with modified Geeko, which are distributed mostly by individuals on the Web. But how can we know whether they are permitted by Novell or not ? People might easily misunderstand that they can freely modify Geeko and logos without permission by Novell, when they see those artworks on the Web. I think it's practically impossible to limit those anarchic modifications and usages. In other words, many people love Geeko and want to use Geeko as a symbol for spreading (open)SUSE. Therefore, they sometimes want to modify Geeko or use it combined with some other elements in order to make it more attractive. I hope the branding policy will not disturb people who will spread (open)SUSE, but will help them.

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IMHO, policies, restrictions and bans described in present Artwork:Brand are not for the openSUSE project or community, but for the business partners or resellers from Novell's eyes. If some companies want to use openSUSE logos or Geeko for their business, they should use them only as directed. But if someone want to use them for openSUSE related projects or communities, restrictions should be more flexible.

The policy applies equally. If someone wants to use the logos in a different fashion, they can always ask permission. The page is there primarily to provide guidelines that describe the way we want the logo used (typically) and also to minimize the amount of discussion necessary so that the majority of the time anyone who wants to use the logo understands the use cases we approve automatically.

We do provide the secondary logo for use more informally.

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Well, if I want to make a new logo as a symbol for Japanese local user group, I'd like to combine Geeko, custom logo for "Japanese Users Group" and, for example, Fujiyama's figure or Japanese flag or map to make the logo. :-) Geeko with Statue of Liberty for LUG in US, Geeko with matador for Spanish LUG, Geeko with panda for chinese LUG..., I think they also will be useful. In addition, as Weekly News Team is just about to make the logo for Weekly News, I think making new logos for each Teams might be a good idea. How about Geeko with KDE gears for KDE Team, Geeko with GNOME foot print for GNOME Team, Geeko with Yastie for YaST Team, etc. ;-)

Thanks much for the examples. Good stuff!

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But under policies, restrictions and bans described in present Artwork:Brand, those ideas can't become reality unless permitted by Novell in each case.

That's not the case - we have the secondary logo, which says: "The round button can be freely colored and combined with other graphical elements to form spinners or project logos. It is also allowed to give it custom color treatment."

You mean, the round button can be freely modified as we wish without permission by Novell, but "entire body" of Geeko can't be, right ? If so, IMHO, it should be clear, where and how to ask permission to modify "entire body" of Geeko for some special purposes and in which case we can ask permission. And, as you recognized above, many modified Geekos already exist all over the Web. I don't think all of them are given permission by Novell. Or, are they all accepted as accomplished facts ?

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IMHO, we don't need the articles such as "minimal external spacing" for spacing, articles described in "Things to Avoid", as far as the purpose is for openSUSE related project's or community's activities.

The Marketing Communications folks would disagree with that. :-)

I'd like to beg Novell peoples again, the branding policy will not disturb people who will spread (open)SUSE, but will help them. That's my hope. ;-) -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing & Weekly News Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds@gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.geeko.jp/author/heliosreds _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier

03:43

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Satoru Matsumoto wrote:

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I have many artworks such as wallpapers, icons, cliparts, etc. with modified Geeko, which are distributed mostly by individuals on the Web. But how can we know whether they are permitted by Novell or not ? People might easily misunderstand that they can freely modify Geeko and logos without permission by Novell, when they see those artworks on the Web. I think it's practically impossible to limit those anarchic modifications and usages.

Well, we might be able to make exceptions (*might*) for something like wallpaper. And, it should be pointed out, we're not seeking to restrict individual use. So, if you make wallpaper or a t-shirt for yourself, that should be fair use. But, combination in a project logo is a different thing than a wallpaper. And we want to have distinction between things that are "official" and not. This shouldn't be taken to mean we're suddenly going to be sending a bunch of nastygrams to any user who happens to be hosting an image that isn't in line with the artwork guidelines. That's not the point.

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In other words, many people love Geeko and want to use Geeko as a symbol for spreading (open)SUSE. Therefore, they sometimes want to modify Geeko or use it combined with some other elements in order to make it more attractive.

I hope the branding policy will not disturb people who will spread (open)SUSE, but will help them.

That's the intent, but we can't just say "unlimited use" or have separate rules for "community" use vs. "business" use because the lines are very fuzzy there.

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You mean, the round button can be freely modified as we wish without permission by Novell, but "entire body" of Geeko can't be, right ?

According to the guidelines on that page, the "head" logo can be modified, yes. BTW - please note that those policies/guidelines (AFAIK) had been in place before I joined Novell, so I can't say in every case what the intent or thinking was behind them.

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If so, IMHO, it should be clear, where and how to ask permission to modify "entire body" of Geeko for some special purposes and in which case we can ask permission.

If you need permission right now for something specific, let me know, and I'll get a response. Who should, ultimately, decide on trademark issues? Probably the board.

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And, as you recognized above, many modified Geekos already exist all over the Web. I don't think all of them are given permission by Novell. Or, are they all accepted as accomplished facts ?

No, they probably haven't been, but their existence doesn't mean we shouldn't set a clear guideline.

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IMHO, we don't need the articles such as "minimal external spacing" for spacing, articles described in "Things to Avoid", as far as the purpose is for openSUSE related project's or community's activities.

The Marketing Communications folks would disagree with that. :-)

I'd like to beg Novell peoples again, the branding policy will not disturb people who will spread (open)SUSE, but will help them. That's my hope. ;-)

That's the idea -- but, again, we won't have a policy that allows "free for all" usage. For the "official" logo, there will be some restrictions -- but I hope they'll be as flexible as possible. Best, Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier openSUSE Community Manager jzb@zonker.net http://zonker.opensuse.org/ http://blogs.zdnet.com/community/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Satoru Matsumoto

08:30

Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote:

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BTW - please note that those policies/guidelines (AFAIK) had been in place before I joined Novell, so I can't say in every case what the intent or thinking was behind them.

I know. :-) I don't mean to blame you on that.

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If so, IMHO, it should be clear, where and how to ask permission to modify "entire body" of Geeko for some special purposes and in which case we can ask permission.

If you need permission right now for something specific, let me know, and I'll get a response.

Right now, as this thread's subject, I'd like to know whether every candidates for new Weekly News Logo can be given permission or not. http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/Logo Are they all safe ? Or, some of them are safe but others are not ? If some of them won't be given permission even if they are chosen, they should be removed. Who can judge ? Or, who can authorize ? Best, -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing & Weekly News Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds@gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.geeko.jp/author/heliosreds _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Satoru Matsumoto

29 Jan 29 Jan

03:03

Satoru Matsumoto wrote:

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Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote:

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If you need permission right now for something specific, let me know, and I'll get a response.

Right now, as this thread's subject, I'd like to know whether every candidates for new Weekly News Logo can be given permission or not. http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/Logo

Are they all safe ? Or, some of them are safe but others are not ? If some of them won't be given permission even if they are chosen, they should be removed.

Who can judge ? Or, who can authorize ?

2 weeks after the question above, we've got no response yet. Shall we wait another weeks for the response ? And I want to refer another related input. Do you know, svg formatted SUSE logo(Geeko) is distributed in *-art.org under *GPL* for more than a year ? Under *GPL* !! I know this is a different problem from the subject of this thread. But can you imagine what that means ? I can understand, Novell want/need to control branding. But the reality is, the more Novell want to control, the more they need resources for that. So I'd like to press the point and beg of Novell persons once again: - The conditions of use for the openSUSE/Geeko logo should be as flexible as it can be, so that we can easily use and modify them for our subprojects and marketing items. - If we need a permission each time we want to modify and *officially* use the logo, the procedure for the application should be clear and the evidence should be open. Best, -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing & Weekly News Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds@gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.geeko.jp/author/heliosreds _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier

03:54

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Satoru Matsumoto wrote:

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Satoru Matsumoto wrote:

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Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote:

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If you need permission right now for something specific, let me know, and I'll get a response.

Right now, as this thread's subject, I'd like to know whether every candidates for new Weekly News Logo can be given permission or not. http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/Logo

Are they all safe ? Or, some of them are safe but others are not ? If some of them won't be given permission even if they are chosen, they should be removed.

Who can judge ? Or, who can authorize ?

2 weeks after the question above, we've got no response yet. Shall we wait another weeks for the response ?

Right now, we haven't decided who will decide. I guess that'd be a good question for the marketing team - should it be the openSUSE board? Novell lawyers?

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And I want to refer another related input.

Do you know, svg formatted SUSE logo(Geeko) is distributed in *-art.org under *GPL* for more than a year ?

Yes.

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Under *GPL* !! I know this is a different problem from the subject of this thread. But can you imagine what that means ?

It means it can be freely redistributed and modified. *However* (and, big disclaimer here of course, I'm not a laywer, so... don't take this as binding legal advice) that doesn't mean that it gives permission to use it in conjunction with advertising for something related to openSUSE. Copyright permission isn't the same as trademark permission.

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I can understand, Novell want/need to control branding. But the reality is, the more Novell want to control, the more they need resources for that.

We understand this. But throwing the gates open wide to any use for any reason isn't going to happen. How familiar are you with U.S. Trademark law? If you don't exercise some (again IANAL) restriction over copyright, you lose it. (Greatly oversimplifying...) We can't just say "if you're a community project, go do what you want." Sorry, I know that's what you're pushing for, but it's not viable.

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So I'd like to press the point and beg of Novell persons once again:

- The conditions of use for the openSUSE/Geeko logo should be as flexible as it can be, so that we can easily use and modify them for our subprojects and marketing items. - If we need a permission each time we want to modify and *officially* use the logo, the procedure for the application should be clear and the evidence should be open.

And the procedure will be open as soon as we have it. Thanks, Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Rupert Horstkötter

14:11

2009/1/29 Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier :

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On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Satoru Matsumoto wrote:

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If you need permission right now for something specific, let me know, and I'll get a response.

Right now, as this thread's subject, I'd like to know whether every candidates for new Weekly News Logo can be given permission or not. http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/Logo

Are they all safe ? Or, some of them are safe but others are not ? If some of them won't be given permission even if they are chosen, they should be removed.

Who can judge ? Or, who can authorize ?

2 weeks after the question above, we've got no response yet. Shall we wait another weeks for the response ?

Right now, we haven't decided who will decide. I guess that'd be a good question for the marketing team - should it be the openSUSE board? Novell lawyers?

As it is a trademark issue, I'd say the Novell lawyers should decide it. If it would be taken to the openSUSE board, they'd need to ask the Novell lawyers about permission in the end as well. Just to throw in my 2c.

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And I want to refer another related input.

Do you know, svg formatted SUSE logo(Geeko) is distributed in *-art.org under *GPL* for more than a year ?

Yes.

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Under *GPL* !! I know this is a different problem from the subject of this thread. But can you imagine what that means ?

It means it can be freely redistributed and modified.

*However* (and, big disclaimer here of course, I'm not a laywer, so... don't take this as binding legal advice) that doesn't mean that it gives permission to use it in conjunction with advertising for something related to openSUSE. Copyright permission isn't the same as trademark permission.

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I can understand, Novell want/need to control branding. But the reality is, the more Novell want to control, the more they need resources for that.

We understand this. But throwing the gates open wide to any use for any reason isn't going to happen.

How familiar are you with U.S. Trademark law? If you don't exercise some (again IANAL) restriction over copyright, you lose it. (Greatly oversimplifying...) We can't just say "if you're a community project, go do what you want." Sorry, I know that's what you're pushing for, but it's not viable.

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So I'd like to press the point and beg of Novell persons once again:

- The conditions of use for the openSUSE/Geeko logo should be as flexible as it can be, so that we can easily use and modify them for our subprojects and marketing items. - If we need a permission each time we want to modify and *officially* use the logo, the procedure for the application should be clear and the evidence should be open.

And the procedure will be open as soon as we have it.

Thanks,

Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier openSUSE Community Manager: http://zonker.opensuse.org Blogs: http://blogs.zdnet.com/community | http://www.dissociatedpress.net Twitter: jzb | Identica: jzb http://identi.ca/group/opensuse/members -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

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Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier

15:17

On 01/29/2009 09:11 AM, Rupert Horstkötter wrote:

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As it is a trademark issue, I'd say the Novell lawyers should decide it. If it would be taken to the openSUSE board, they'd need to ask the Novell lawyers about permission in the end as well. Just to throw in my 2c.

They might, but the question of whether something is an "acceptable" use of the openSUSE marks according to the community is probably a question for the board first. Ideally, they'd filter the requests and only pass things to Novell legal once it was decided that the project wanted to grant use of the logo. Actually -- I think that's probably the only way to go, unless someone has an objection. (i.e., that's what I'm going to suggest.) Best, Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier openSUSE Community Manager http://zonker.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Rupert Horstkötter

15:37

2009/1/29 Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier :

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On 01/29/2009 09:11 AM, Rupert Horstkötter wrote:

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As it is a trademark issue, I'd say the Novell lawyers should decide it. If it would be taken to the openSUSE board, they'd need to ask the Novell lawyers about permission in the end as well. Just to throw in my 2c.

They might, but the question of whether something is an "acceptable" use of the openSUSE marks according to the community is probably a question for the board first.

Ideally, they'd filter the requests and only pass things to Novell legal once it was decided that the project wanted to grant use of the logo.

Aligned - sounds indeed accurate! Best, Rupert

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Actually -- I think that's probably the only way to go, unless someone has an objection. (i.e., that's what I'm going to suggest.)

Best,

Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier openSUSE Community Manager http://zonker.opensuse.org/

Sascha 'saigkill' Manns

14 Jan 14 Jan

10:09

On Mittwoch 14 Januar 2009 04:43:40 Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote:

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According to the guidelines on that page, the "head" logo can be modified, yes. Excuse me please Zonker. I don't understand this disussion. My meaning is, that every Icon can be modified to an Projecticon. In the description from Marketing Team we read: Members of the openSUSE Marketing Team will work to:

* Ensure we publicize community events and meetings to maximize turnout and participation * Create presentations and materials that can be reused to promote openSUSE * Create artwork, banners, Buttons, etc. for openSUSE ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ In my eyes this looks, like an Task. To create Logos for subprojects, is the task from the Marketing Team? Or i'am in error? -- Sincereley yours Sascha Manns openSUSE Marketing Team (Weekly News) openSUSE Build Service Web: http://saschamanns.gulli.to Blog: http://lizards.opensuse.org/author/saigkill -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Jan-Simon Möller

13 Jan 13 Jan

14:01

Am Montag, 12. Januar 2009 15:35:54 schrieb Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier:

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Comforming with the branding, some logos in that page are not allowed. But I remember, red-capped Geeko was on the 'Main page' of the Wiki during Christmas season a few years ago and I have not heard that Novell lodged an objection about that.

If it was a few years ago, we might not have had the guidelines we have now -- or it may have been missed. Or the creator might have asked / received permission. Just because something slips through, it may not indicate that the guidelines have changed. ;-)

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So, I'd like to ask Novell, "Are we not allowed to modify logos you own at all, even if we want to use it for our community activities ?"

We're working on a trademark policy, and hope to have it done relatively soon.

Could you ping us again, when this is done ? Proposal for the time until the policy is out ?

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Tentatively, what we would like to have is a logo that's used for "official" communications, boxes, etc. and a logo that is available for "community" activities and can be modified.

You can always ask permission to use the "official" logo as well -- but what we'd like is a policy that allows as many things automatically as possible. Since we have limited manpower, especially on the legal side, we want to automate as much as possible and limit the "special cases."

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If we are allowed to modify logos under certain conditions, I'd like to know the criteria and restrictions.

We're working on that and we'll publish it as soon as we can. Do you have any input on what kind of situations you need to modify the logo vs. using the stock logo? (Aside from this one, of course...)

I think most cases can be summarized like this: * add Subproject name. E.g. "openSUSE Weekly News", "openSUSE Education" * add Graphic to the icon. E.g. Santa's hat, Edu's "graduate hat" Best regards, Jan-Simon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier

15:19

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Jan-Simon Möller wrote:

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Am Montag, 12. Januar 2009 15:35:54 schrieb Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier:

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On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Satoru Matsumoto wrote: We're working on a trademark policy, and hope to have it done relatively soon.

Could you ping us again, when this is done ? Proposal for the time until the policy is out ?

Yes. I hope to have something out this week, actually, or very early next. Best, Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier openSUSE Community Manager jzb@zonker.net http://zonker.opensuse.org/ http://blogs.zdnet.com/community/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Matthias Fehring

12 Jan 12 Jan

16:23

The one with the hat is nice, but for me it looks more like a spy than a reporter. Best greetings Buschmann

Adi Nugroho

29 Jan 29 Jan

07:32

On Sunday 11 January 2009 01:36:56 Sascha 'saigkill' Manns wrote:

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Hello,

now i recieved the first two canditates from our Logo. It can be viewed under: http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Weekly_News/Logo. Also visible under the Portal.

I vote for the most bottom one: http://en.opensuse.org/Image:OpenSUSE_Weekly_News_5.png -- Salam, Adi Nugroho - http://adi.internux.co.id/ iNterNUX --- http://www.internux.net.id/ Jalan Dr. Sam Ratulangi No. 53J Makassar Tel. +62-411-834690 Fax. +62-411-834691 CDMA:+62-411-6109535 GSM:+62-816-27-9193 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

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