I Don't know If I understand right(since it is a biiiig e-mail ;-) ) but I think you are asking from us to tell you our opinion about if we think that you should send some items to contributors of any kind and what item(s) should that be. Also if you come up with something you are asking for people to support you spread them. If that is the case I tell you that in Greece and in countries around Greece I can help. Now my vote on items is an iContribute t-shirt and a Flash-drive with an openSUSE 11.4 .iso inside (instead of a box) so that contributors can easily install our favorite distribution to friends. This will reduce the postage and packaging cost a lot. If I did not understand right just ignore my e-mail ;-) Kostas 2011/4/6 Andreas Jaeger :

The board in our project meeting asked me to discuss with you and come up with an idea on how to recognize contributors to openSUSE (say thanks to them), so here's my email that I sent initially to the board and let's discuss what we can and want to do.

Basically, I seek a fair process and one that's easy to implement and execute. ;)

I've spend quite some time thinking about this and discussing it and therefore this email is a bit longer and list several options and ideas.

I already send the contributors on our existing list an email telling them that we're not going to send them anything for now - but seek alternatives. I got quite some positive feedback and have appended it at the end in anonymous form.

Btw. especially the marketing team is one of the teams that  I guess never made it on the list of getting a box - and I consider this really unfair - so let's find a fair process (or decide there is none and leave it). So, don't ask my why you never before heard about it - this is especially a reason to rethink the whole program and start it new from scratch and that's why I need your combined wisdom,

Andreas

Background ============

In the past, Novell had a list of contributors to openSUSE. Novell send them one openSUSE box product as thank you. That list has grown over the last 15 years and includes upstream authors of some projects, beta testers and translators.

Right now that list contains around 300+ entries. Looking at the list of contributors, I see that it is a pretty unfair selection of folks. There're people in it, that haven't done anything for openSUSE 11.4 and there are people missing.

So, this whole concept of who gets a "Thank you" needs a reevaluation.

On top of that, we have sent out openSUSE Boxes in the past. With openSUSE 11.3, this was a joint present by open-SLX and Novell, before it was Novell only.

The price of the box has increased (official selling price from 59 to 69 EU but we get them far cheaper) - and the shipment of a box world wide is a logistics nightmare with doing the right thing to get them through customs in a cheap way - and then shipment costs a lot as well.

Additionally, the collection of the email addresses is an error prone and time consuming process.

So, summing up the three different points, we're not going to send contributor boxes out with openSUSE 11.4.

As usual, there's a but. I know some people look forward to them - and I would  love to send out an individual "Thank you" to those who actually contributed.

But this needs: * a light weight process * people that help with it * and an idea on what to do

Once we have that, I can go to my management (who urged me to seek alternatives  with you - so Novell is interested in sponsoring, we just need a good way!) and ask for sponsorship money.

Goals =====

Novell has done in the past the Contributor boxes as a way to say thanks to contributors. openSUSE as community project depends on contributors and this present was also an incentive for them.

Our goal is to thank openSUSE contributors for their participation in openSUSE at the time of a distribution release. We want to recognize contribution in a fair and objective way.

Where does contribution happen in openSUSE? * bug reports * fixing bugs * packaging * development * system administration * user help in forums/mailing lists/IRC * marketing * translation * ...

Question: Do we want to recognize all kind of contributions or only specific ones?  Some of that you can easily be scriptable - others not, and that's the part that will lead to another "members committee" and discussions. But only giving it a subset won't work really either - so, what do we want?

Some of that you can easily script - others not, and that's the part that will lead to another "members committee" and discussions.

Note that only giving it a subset won't work really either - so, what do we want?

From Jos: "A suggestion from your friendly community manager would be to send all  openSUSE *members* a small gift. It gives people a little reward for  going though the effort of becoming member, can be used for some  publicity (I'm a media whore, I know) and the membership is a  self-selecting group of contributors. Sure there are more contributors  but anyone who contributes CAN become a member - not applying is one's  own choice. It's the most fair and simple solution, too, and makes  sure the members will add/update their address in their userpage in  Connect ;-)"

What to give? =============

We'd like to have something that really recognizes contribution and people are proud to receive it.

Shipment needs to scale so that we easily can send out e.g. to 300 people.

Some ideas: - exclusive dinner at openSUSE Conference - distinguished award - put it on shelf/wall to show others what/something to put on - target 300 people

Other Ideas: * Add lists of translators for this language to slideshow * Add list of packagers to Release Notes * Self-nominating kind of deal, e.g. to print a poster

Our suggestions: * Send something only to recognize (active) members? For example, the  openSUSE 11.4 poster with a letter. Sending a letter avoids problems  with customs. * Awards at openSUSE conference for contributions in a few categories  (KDE does Akademy awards: Winners from last year choose winners from   next year; would only need 'starting up' for us) * A welcome present to new contributors (members?) instead of a  regular effort. Just send every new openSUSE member a T-Shirt! * How about a file on the ftp tree called just that - Contribiturs  Listing all by name ? One would have to have an opt-out for those  that don't want to be named. * Special price for openSUSE shop, e.g. for T-Shirts or mugs -  basically a voucher.

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Feedback from contributors about my email:

-- I think a simple thank you mail is enough, or a contributor hall of fame website. If possible a t-shirt is great but not necessary. Contributing openSUSE is fun for all of us. If there is no more fun we will not continue the contribution anymore... even if you send us something. So I would like to thanks for the boxes I got so far. And keep create the best distribution ever.... together. --  have to admit that sending DVD boxes has always been too expensive and in my opinion it was a tricky way to honour contributors. Tricky as it is extremely difficult to measure and compare contributions of each individual (for example a dev vs. translation team member vs bug tracking person vs artist and so on) so some people might have a feeling that their effort goes unnoticed as they did not recieve any phisical.. er... I mean a touchable gift.

If you insit on sending some items I guess it could be more cost effecient to contact some TRUSTWORTHY and RELIABLE local leaders and send them something small in large quantities (pins, stickers, etc) and ask them to distribute it some reasonable way. That might help in organizing meetings among local openSUSE users as well - cool giveaways typically go with some nice recollections. ;-) -- Don't worry, I could download OpenSuse, avoiding cost and logistics of shipping boxes world wide.

To honor contributors, may I suggest something like Apache Foundation does ?

http://www.apache.org/foundation/members.html

A contributor could be member of something like OpenSuse Foundation (for example), active or emeritus. --- Hi Andreas!

Many thanks for your note. I have valued my copy of OpenSuSE over the years; after all I've been receiving it since the very beginning :)  I have always considered it a priviledge, not an obligation that SuSE and later Novell were required to fulfil. I feel grateful and would like to take this opportunity to thank, through you, the organization behind this program.

As for being part of OpenSuSE, I feel fortunate to still be in that role as an OpenSuSE member (handle: dbouras), continuing with contributions to setup and bug-fixing as time permits. -- the nice OpenSuse boxes always had more of a symbolic value. Of actual use was the promotional stuff with it, e.g. the "iContribute" shirt or the led flashlight. If shipping is too expensive now, it is simply better to sponsor and be at community events, and give contributors some present there e.g. in exchange to coupons sent to them by mail. Then people still see that you recognize their contribution, they can decide themself whether they want to pass by, you have some way to advertize your sponsoring of events, and the mails do not look like spam. -- In the past when the ISO images wasn't free for download it was THE BIG DEAL. Now the only convenient thing to me is x586+x86_64 on one DVD, but it arrives loooong after I've downloaded both images. The printed guide is fine for a newcomers, unfortunately not in my language and I'm aware that it can't be. May be in some countries downloading is a snail business, but here in Sofia, BG, most of the Internet users have ~20-50 Mb/s international and ~100 mb/s intrastate connectivity.

In the same e-mail to Karl I've mentioned that a t-shirt is far more desirable to me (the LED flash light from the 11.2 box was killer item too). Unfortunately, in this case the shipping remains as with any non-virtual item.

May be you should consider seeking for any virtual goodies to grant to contributors. Three months installation support (as it comes with the box) is irrelevant as most of the translators are experienced susers.

Here is an idea: I would be intrigued on a special price quote for SLES. -- This was good decision. Most of us doesnt need shipped dvd, we can download it etc. Those dvd's were waste of money. --- Thanks for the notification and huge thanks for sending me all the goodies. I am using SuSE Linux since the early days and am a keen supporter of the Linux Desktop.

Perhaps you might make use of my feedback (or simply ignore it):

For myself, it was always easy to download openSUSE online; thus the boxes were not really useful for myself anyways.

However, I was using the boxes to give them as a "gift" to "convert" users (and some of my business clients) to use the Linux Desktop. It makes a far better impression to hand over a nice serious looking box to install compared to a burned noname DVD and a bunch of pro-Linux arguments.

The openSUSE T-Shirt I received was a good promotion for the distribution though since people asked me quite a lot about it when I wear it. :)

Anyways, thanks for your hard work and thanks for supporting the contributors. --- So far I have typed about stuff for events, and now about how to honor contributors. I have always thought that one t-shirt is great, not sure if it is cheaper than sending the latest version on DVD in a box (as for 11.2 and 11.3), but a t-shirt is pretty much what the world will see under any circumstance. I recall the one from 11.1 as the most awesome one, high quality stamped and the lines in the back show your pride :) Of course, the letter is pretty valued as well. So, in resume, a t-shirt for a contributor is what I would like to have, instead of the DVD, which often comes very late around here (Southamerica). Also, the @opensuse alias for every contributor would be great.

--- Since the problems about shipping openSUSE boxes are related to cost and logistic, the only way to avoid them is to provide some online service reserved to contributors. However, at the best of my knowledge, at the moment there is no online service that can be reserved to contributors: high-speed dedicated repositories are useless, since current mirrors are fast; the build service is available to everyone (but in any case it is not a good way to honor contributors since not everyone wants/is able to use the build service); similarly for other online services.

At the moment I have no idea on how to honor contributors, since there is nothing interesting for me in openSUSE online services as well as I do not care whether my name appears somewhere in openSUSE as contributor. --- No worries... I can understand the cost issue; meanwhile I imagine most contributors downloaded the DVD from day one and know enough about openSUSE to have no use for the printed manual.

As an alternative, here are two ideas:

1- Send something (box, DVD, t-shirt..) to openSUSE Members only    => Pros: reduces the number of eligible contributors, thus reduces the cost (at least I suppose so)    => Cons: can be seen as unfair for non-members, logistics might still be an issue

2- Offer a discount to buy something from the openSUSE Shop (t-shirt, cap, mug, etc.)    => Pros: good for marketing, less expensive than the traditional box (14€ for a t-shirt, instead of ~60€ for the box), logistics are handled by the shop provider     => Cons: none?

I would personally prefer the second option.. as I work in software development, showing an openSUSE mug or t-shirt at work would inevitably raise questions among colleagues, and help promote openSUSE :-)  Hope this helps anyway.

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2011/4/7 Andreas Jaeger :

On Thursday, April 07, 2011 13:46:01 Kostas Koudaras wrote:

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 I Don't know If I understand right(since it is a biiiig e-mail ;-) ) but I think you are asking from us to tell you our opinion about if we think that you should send some items to contributors of any kind and

Yes, it's basically who should get what - and how to process all of this.

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what item(s) should that be. Also if you come up with something you are asking for people to support you spread them.

...

 If that is the case I tell you that in Greece and in countries around Greece I can help. Now my vote on items is an iContribute t-shirt and a Flash-drive with an openSUSE 11.4 .iso inside (instead of a box) so that contributors can easily install our favorite distribution to friends. This will reduce the postage and packaging cost a lot. If I did not understand right just ignore my e-mail ;-)

Still, who is a contributor? How to define it in an easy way?

Defining them... A good idea would probably be to ask people 'incharge' like e.g. Jos to make you a list for marketing contributors and so on... Those people should make you a list with those who contributed the most. Well that is the hard part and this is the best I can come up now, if I think something else I will get back to you. Kostas

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2011/4/7 Andreas Jaeger :

On Thursday, April 07, 2011 14:41:31 Kostas Koudaras wrote:

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Still, who is a contributor? How to define it in an easy way?

Defining them... A good idea would probably be to ask people 'incharge' like e.g. Jos to make you a list for marketing contributors and so on... Those people should make you a list with those who contributed the most. Well that is the hard part and this is the best I can come up now, if I think something else I will get back to you.

Exactly this is one of the challenges: This process does not scale and will become unfair, we will forget some people this way that contribute great work - and we will for sure forgot to ask some teams to nominate their team members ;-(

That's why Jos proposed to use as list all openSUSE members - it's self- nominating, it's easy to collect etc...

Yeap but on the other hand there are people that are not members(yet ?!?) and contributed and members that are not active anymore and they did not contributed on 11.4. Oh god, it is really difficult to decide whom to leave in and out. Come on people, Feedback... Kostas

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On Thursday, April 07, 2011 14:58:53 Kostas Koudaras wrote:

Yeap but on the other hand there are people that are not members(yet ?!?) and contributed and members that are not active anymore and they did not contributed on 11.4.

The not active anymore is something we have to sort out with the foundation as well - yeah...

Oh god, it is really difficult to decide whom to leave in and out. Come on people, Feedback...

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Le 07/04/2011 15:00, Manu Gupta a écrit :

I agree but some great contibutors do not apply on the list so along with this (the member list )can we not have a news item where we say if you think your contributions are important to the community, let us know (for non-members) and then set up a connect poll where people will vote for them.

well... I think if your or me ask Andreas "this xxx people gived great help, can so send something to him... it could be done, receiving something *by post office* can be seen by many as a real recognition, much more than a simple gift given at a boot. So the extra cost is worth, if done on a one by one basis. On that respect, a nice package and a nice letter "from the openSUSE Foundation" is a + :-)) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday, April 07, 2011 1:38:47 PM Chuck Payne wrote:

On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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On Thursday, April 07, 2011 14:58:53 Kostas Koudaras wrote:

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Yeap but on the other hand there are people that are not members(yet ?!?) and contributed and members that are not active anymore and they did not contributed on 11.4.

The not active anymore is something we have to sort out with the foundation as well - yeah...

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Oh god, it is really difficult to decide whom to leave in and out. Come on people, Feedback...

Yeah, please! ;)

Andreas --

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This is my thought on what to give once we pick who are contributor.

I think would be a great award, and you could make up a couple thousands. Are pins with the Geeko, I know Carlos has made a few. With the phrase "I Contribute!". Along with this pin the person get a nice cert that they can frame that states for their work for contributing to the openSUSE Project on such and such. The pins can be made for a couple dollars, and cert for about 50 cent to a dollar.

Now for people like Manu and others that go way and beyond, then it would be up to board to give them some nice little award. In fact, maybe every year pick the one person that has gone out their way high light their work to the project. Then maybe pick four others that have done as much.

Flash Drive a expensive. If I had to guess the same price as boxset.

I like this approach Chuck mentioned. I made Tux lapel or pin and people loved it. They did anything to get it. It would be nice receiving a openSUSE pin and a nice Recognition Letter with Recognition Certifcate. I believe most people would feel good with those and increase their valuable contribution. it is possible to organize levels of contribution ( Silver, Gold, Platinum, Premium or Emerald, Ruby, Diamond ) and areas for contribution (programming, admin, social networking & marketing, wiki maintainer, documetation, translating, bug fixing, tutorial builder, package maintainer, testers, etc.), It's another stuff wether It's possible to make recognition in areas (it will improve the people integration beyond coders) making a complet community. If it's possible to give a special recognitions using voucher or discount (i.e. LPI certification, Books, etc.) will be a plus. The good part it does not need to send a package anywhere. ;-) These are my ideas at this moment. Hope is helpful. Regards, -- Ricardo Chung | openSUSE Linux Ambassador Panama openSUSE 11.4 | KDE 4.6.00 release 6 | Mesa 3D-Nouveau Gallium 7.10 video drivers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

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My main headache with this recognition is setting it up in such a way that it's little overhead for all of us - and especially for our shipping folks.

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Platinum, Premium or Emerald, Ruby, Diamond ) and areas for contribution (programming, admin, social networking& marketing, wiki maintainer, documetation, translating, bug fixing, tutorial builder, package maintainer, testers, etc.), It's another stuff wether It's possible to make recognition in areas (it will improve the people integration beyond coders) making a complet community.

If it's possible to give a special recognitions using voucher or discount (i.e. LPI certification, Books, etc.) will be a plus. The good part it does not need to send a package anywhere.;-)

These are my ideas at this moment. Hope is helpful. If you still thinking of a solution for what they can get, why not give

Am 08.04.2011 12:51, schrieb Andreas Jaeger: them access to SUSE Linux Enterprise for free? I mean, You can download a trial version of SLE or create your own with SUSE Studio, but you have to pay for support and updates. Why not talking to Novell, and ask their, for giving our contributors access to the SLE-update-repos and support channels for one year or so? It has no shipping costs (because everybody can download SLED or SLES) and they get something "(open)SUSE-alike". Of course, a "contributor-wall" would be great! A virtual wall (also known as a website....) for all the contributors with links to their blogs, what they´ve done for the project, and to their openSUSE-profile. just my $0.02 -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador / openSUSE Wiki Team DE http://www.opensuse.org Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Le 08/04/2011 15:35, Andreas Jaeger a écrit :

Btw. I've noted the SLES idea down,

time ago suse sent suse boxes. You could give choice between openSUSE box and SLED/SLES. For me, having SLED would be interesting as I have a server, but we have evergreen... so... Having the openSUSE box is (very) interesting for the demos, box content used to be pretty appealing and worth the price (printed manuals are extremely expensive - by example, the LPI (french) user book is 60€!! the entire box price or so) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

On Friday, April 08, 2011 04:38:52 PM Kim Leyendecker wrote:

Am 08.04.2011 15:35, schrieb Andreas Jaeger:

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- but it comes back who's a contributor?

I think a person who spend his time on the project. What kind of contributor did you want? A person who write code, and helps developing the distro, or a person who write documentation and some wiki articles, or a person who is more into marketing?

All of the above and more ;) The other alternative is to recognize something for specific events, like the two persons that fixed most packages in timeframe Y.

So why not create a wiki page where anyone can suggest a potential contributor who deserves a box or anything else. Then, maybe Jos, or you or somebody other (the best idea is to create a team) choose some people and send them something.

That kind of manual review is the problem - it does not scale with say 400 people :-( Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

On Friday, April 08, 2011 17:42:36 jdd wrote:

Le 08/04/2011 16:54, Andreas Jaeger a écrit :

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That kind of manual review is the problem - it does not scale with say 400 people :-(

we already have members and ambassadors, what kind of other group do we need? more involved? (board?) or less involved? (less than ambassador?)

The first email in this thread already proposes to use just "members" ;) but asks whether anybody has a better alternative, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

On 2011-04-12 Kim wrote:

Am 12.04.2011 14:10, schrieb Andreas Jaeger:

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The first email in this thread already proposes to use just "members";) but asks whether anybody has a better alternative,

Why not creating a database, where everybody can save his contributions. Then, a filter shows the, let us say, 40st biggest contributions (We create a poll for members only, this is the best way) and they get a box or a small present or a shirt or whatever.

So, you can give it to ambassadors and non-members too, and solve the problem of searching people, who deserve it ;)

most poeople won't do it. Basically, we either go for openSUSE members or we find some way of automatically finding people who contribute to openSUSE. I haven't seen any other realistic solutions which don't require AJ and me to take a month off and check everyone's contributions personally :D I love the idea of giving people a discount in the shop - openSUSE Members, that is.

thanks

most poeople won't do it. Well, after re-thinking the idea, you´re right. Basically, we either go for openSUSE members or we find some way of automatically finding people who contribute to openSUSE. Then I think, to do it for members is the best solution. As I read on

Am 13.04.2011 15:46, schrieb Jos Poortvliet: the german wiki, "members" are people who regulary contribute to the project. So, the probability that these people contribute to the 11.4 release is high.

I haven't seen any other realistic solutions which don't require AJ and me to take a month off and check everyone's contributions personally :D

I love the idea of giving people a discount in the shop - openSUSE Members, that is.

thanks -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador / openSUSE Wiki Team DE HAVE A LOT OF FUN! http://www.opensuse.org | http://www.suse.de Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Le 13/04/2011 15:49, Jos Poortvliet a écrit :

Or require them to DO something - like vote for board members. That means you should at least ONCE a year do something for openSUSE or you're out ;-)

it's a good idea. Members can stop contributing and nobody care. having such regular "I'm alive" sign is good. jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

FWIW - The openSUSE Technical Forums which is typical of many Technical Forums automatically tracks and compiles statistics on User activity. Although elsewhere I usually see recognitions automatically applied, it looks to me like the openSUSE forums apply recognitions manually (all at once, periodically). IMO Marketing is severely hamstrung by using this Mailing List as an expedient tool(something that "just works").. When/If the pain is great enough that as a group we decide to move to a different tool that can similarly track/compile/aggregate statistics in the background, it's going to be a monumental task to recognize people so I doubt that things like voting and forcing certain activities will go far. In other words, it's one thing to express a desire and need, it's another thing to endorse an investigation, a pilot, and then possibly a move. IMO, Tony -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

Am 14.04.2011 23:48, schrieb James Mason:

What about upstream? We can't do the "10K DVDs" for every upstream project... yet many of these projects are what makes openSUSE great. How do we recognize them? How we did it in the past?

thanks -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador / openSUSE Wiki Team DE HAVE A LOT OF FUN! http://www.opensuse.org | http://www.suse.de Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org

On Friday, April 15, 2011 01:07:14 PM Kim Leyendecker wrote:

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Am 14.04.2011 23:48, schrieb James Mason:

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What about upstream? We can't do the "10K DVDs" for every upstream project... yet many of these projects are what makes openSUSE great. How do we recognize them? I've given up on those, it's far too difficult ;-( Well, I think it´s okay... There infinite numbers of upstream projects on the world (I mean also the projects that aren´t included in openSUSE

Am 15.04.2011 16:09, schrieb Andreas Jaeger: directly). And if not, a big "Thank you" from me.

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How we did it in the past? Before openSUSE was launched, the packager could add to each package an upstream author and those would get a box of SUSE Linux. Some packagers did a good job adding upstream authors and some just ignored it - so again, a process that was not fair at all. Thanks for information, Andreas ;) Andreas It looks quite difficult and I think it´s more a traditional problem. I read that in the past, when openSUSE was still SuSE Linux, the beta-testers get a box as "thank you" when a new version was released. When we change the modell a bit, we get the nowaday model.

For the target people: I think, that the members are the right group for this, I mean, I´m throwing my hat up for these people, because they working on openSUSE so hard, they really deserve a little present from Novell/SUSE/whoever But at the same point, I think, that everyone who is contribute to openSUSE needs to get a "thank you". ========================= *The solution* Just members will get something and the other can be sure, that we recognize them as the "silent helpers of openSUSE". Not the fairest way, but I think (and hope) these silent workers willunderstanding it. Other ways aren´t in my mind yet, sorry :( thanks -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador / openSUSE Wiki Team DE HAVE A LOT OF FUN! http://www.opensuse.org | http://www.suse.de Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+help@opensuse.org