On Monday 18 August 2014 10.29:46 Henne Vogelsang wrote:

On 16.08.2014 13:05, Nenad Latinović wrote:

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1. For now (110+ responses), the quality of the news is rated somewhere between 3 and 4. (both tied, but there are 9 responses for 1 and 2, and only 6 for 5).

That's good :-)

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3. There are currently a vast majority of wishes for news to be published only a couple of times/week instead of every day, or once a week.

Hmmm so we're back to square 345 and the monthly magazine idea. I guess we should do both...

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4. The site's appearance is rated nearly 50 for 4, and 30+ for 3. About twenty percent want an overhaul, the same are against it, while 50+ % think the appearance is not important, but only content.

I guess that's because most of them read through an RSS feed reader. Page visits are pretty low anyway...

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And now for the most important part:

In the 'write your opinion' section, the most recurring responses are that non-technical and technical news should be treated equally, so I guess we'd need a power-user who's willing to write for n.o.o. regularly. The other is that series like the past CLT and similar don't belong on the news site, but there are suggestions to either create a separate site like omgubuntu of fedoraftw, or to find a way to merge the n.o.o. with lizards. How could that be done?

Yeah that is a long standing wish of many people. It would be trivial with the current wordpress, but it would require some engineering and migrating which we lack manpower for...

Henne

Henne, could you please try to have a rough estimate of the effort ? is it one day, one week, a month ??? How hard it would be a by example a small team with 2 noobs, a you like, and a darix like ? Regards. -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Board GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot ~~~ ~~~ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org

Hey, On 19.08.2014 07:10, Kostas Koudaras wrote:

2014-08-18 11:38 GMT+03:00 Bruno Friedmann :

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On Monday 18 August 2014 10.29:46 Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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On 16.08.2014 13:05, Nenad Latinović wrote:

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1. For now (110+ responses), the quality of the news is rated somewhere between 3 and 4. (both tied, but there are 9 responses for 1 and 2, and only 6 for 5).

That's good :-)

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3. There are currently a vast majority of wishes for news to be published only a couple of times/week instead of every day, or once a week.

Hmmm so we're back to square 345 and the monthly magazine idea. I guess we should do both...

Yeap we should, I think I have a Gdoc about the monthly magazine somewhere or else I have notes from previous conversations we had,

Sure

unfortunatelly this month is a rough month full of work away from wifi.

No worries, just keep it from burning down completely :P

The main problem here is manpower but this is something we could walk through if the planning is good.

Nothing happens if you don't invest anything. That's just plain physics.

Definatelly this is something we should look into it in the upcomming Marketing Hackfest...

When is that?

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And now for the most important part:

In the 'write your opinion' section, the most recurring responses are that non-technical and technical news should be treated equally, so I guess we'd need a power-user who's willing to write for n.o.o. regularly. The other is that series like the past CLT and similar don't belong on the news site, but there are suggestions to either create a separate site like omgubuntu of fedoraftw, or to find a way to merge the n.o.o. with lizards. How could that be done?

There was an OMG openSUSE page but at the end we were just a couple of people writing to is so the guy who made it just throw it away. With the exception of part of the Summer I could help on writing as I told you before.

Yes another failure because of missing man power....

My opinion and it is one thing I also wanted for the magazine is to form a Team, make regular meetings in the Marketing Channel(IRC) as we did before, throw all the ideas about what we thing we should do and plan how and when we will release that.

What do you think?

Pulling this off needs planing yes. -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org

Just one question, so i clarify, as maybe my english messed up. The majority is for news a couple of days a week, not once a week :) As for something, before i contemplate it further, if we did sort of separate "issues", like news.o.o and something slightly "OMG"-ish, how hard would it be to get a separate page on opensuse.org? Like omg.opensuse.org? And theming it? As for the magazine idea - that was thought of as being separate? A full-blown openSUSE magazine? Sounds terrific! quoting Kostas Koudaras :

2014-08-19 14:53 GMT+03:00 Henne Vogelsang :

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Hey,

On 19.08.2014 07:10, Kostas Koudaras wrote:

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2014-08-18 11:38 GMT+03:00 Bruno Friedmann :

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On Monday 18 August 2014 10.29:46 Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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On 16.08.2014 13:05, Nenad Latinović wrote:

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1. For now (110+ responses), the quality of the news is rated somewhere between 3 and 4. (both tied, but there are 9 responses for 1 and 2, and only 6 for 5).

That's good :-)

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3. There are currently a vast majority of wishes for news to be published only a couple of times/week instead of every day, or once a week.

Hmmm so we're back to square 345 and the monthly magazine idea. I guess we should do both...

Yeap we should, I think I have a Gdoc about the monthly magazine somewhere or else I have notes from previous conversations we had,

Sure

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unfortunatelly this month is a rough month full of work away from wifi.

No worries, just keep it from burning down completely :P

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The main problem here is manpower but this is something we could walk through if the planning is good.

Nothing happens if you don't invest anything. That's just plain physics.

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Definatelly this is something we should look into it in the upcomming Marketing Hackfest...

When is that? Still under planning but sometime in late October I hope. There will be news about that in the next 2 weeks(hopefully).

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And now for the most important part:

In the 'write your opinion' section, the most recurring responses are that non-technical and technical news should be treated equally, so I guess we'd need a power-user who's willing to write for n.o.o. regularly. The other is that series like the past CLT and similar don't belong on the news site, but there are suggestions to either create a separate site like omgubuntu of fedoraftw, or to find a way to merge the n.o.o. with lizards. How could that be done?

There was an OMG openSUSE page but at the end we were just a couple of people writing to is so the guy who made it just throw it away. With the exception of part of the Summer I could help on writing as I told you before.

Yes another failure because of missing man power....

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My opinion and it is one thing I also wanted for the magazine is to form a Team, make regular meetings in the Marketing Channel(IRC) as we did before, throw all the ideas about what we thing we should do and plan how and when we will release that.

What do you think?

Pulling this off needs planing yes.

-- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org

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Quoting Henne Vogelsang :

Hey, On 19.08.2014 14:11, Nenad Latinović wrote:

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Just one question, so i clarify, as maybe my english messed up. The majority is for news a couple of days a week, not once a week :)

Whatever the frequency is. People tend to like digests more then a constant stream apparently.

Granted. I'll report if anything changes on that front.

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As for something, before i contemplate it further, if we did sort of separate "issues", like news.o.o and something slightly "OMG"-ish, how hard would it be to get a separate page on opensuse.org? Like omg.opensuse.org? And theming it?

I'm going to give you the Developer answer: Depends :-D Depends on what we want from that page, how far we can come with standard tools, templates etc.

Basically, I was thinking about something like this: https://www.suse.com/communities/ - a news site with some lighhearted content, with columns and such. people from openSUSE itnerviews etc. you get the drift. And as for the theme, i think a wp theme would suffice. + i don't know who designed the asian summit theme, and the Dubrovnik site, but i was thinking something along that lines, very modern, but also 'bloggish', with squares/columns, so news don't get lost too quickly. If it can be done at all.

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As for the magazine idea - that was thought of as being separate? A full-blown openSUSE magazine? Sounds terrific!

This was to be an online magazine for which we gather articles for a longer period of time (a month), then release it all at some specific date.

Henne

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On 19/08/2014 19:18, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

Everything can be done. The problem is that no one is doing it.

"doing it" is sometimes a question of time, but mostly a question of motivation. (espacially in a Volunteer context) no one refuse to do ... when it's fun and ... (I see u coming Henné lol saying : there are things not funny who has to be done ... and I could answer : everything can be done with fun when it's chosen and/or shared) and ... if the problem of "not doing" is coming again & again perhaps it could be an idea to "reduce the TODO boring list", or ... "to brainstorm on how to bring the fun back". oups ... the sunset was nice and I couln't keep my fingers away from answering Have a nice evening ;-) Françoise -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org

Thanks for you answers Henné ... I was hoping a question About this I mean :

On 19/08/2014 19:18, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Everything can be done. The problem is that no one is doing it.

Have a nice day ;-) F. On 20/08/2014 01:17, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

Salut Françoise,

On 19.08.2014 19:42, Françoise Wybrecht wrote:

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On 19/08/2014 19:18, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Everything can be done. The problem is that no one is doing it.

"doing it" is sometimes a question of time,

but mostly a question of motivation.

I don't know, I guess it's a highly personal matter. I might have no time, you might have no motivation, someone else might be to scared to step up. Also depends on the topic I guess...

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and ... if the problem of "not doing" is coming again & again

perhaps it could be an idea to "reduce the TODO boring list",

What is a TODO boring list?

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or ... "to brainstorm on how to bring the fun back".

Brainstorm away! Have fun ;-)

Henne

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On Tuesday 19 August 2014 13.47:16 Henne Vogelsang wrote:

Hey,

On 18.08.2014 10:38, Bruno Friedmann wrote:

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On Monday 18 August 2014 10.29:46 Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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On 16.08.2014 13:05, Nenad Latinović wrote:

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or to find a way to merge the n.o.o. with lizards. How could that be done?

Yeah that is a long standing wish of many people. It would be trivial with the current wordpress, but it would require some engineering and migrating which we lack manpower for...

Henne, could you please try to have a rough estimate of the effort ? is it one day, one week, a month ???

I would say 24 man hours/3 working days.

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How hard it would be a by example a small team with 2 noobs, a you like, and a darix like ?

Well if you're a noob and you don't know what you're doing it's not going to happen. This is not a task for inexperienced people :-)

Henne

I mean noobs in the sense of how infrastructure is done, and what there's in it. If this task is absolutely not for inexperienced people, and need infrastructure access, then it will never be possible for community to take the challenge. The idea to have new people, is to learn, document, and get competencies to offload work, actual team has. So to free up time for making this happen, what's the solution ( read which ring I've to bell ) And who as experienced people, can mentor and drive the right actions ? -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Board GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot ~~~ ~~~ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 19 August 2014 18.50:26 Henne Vogelsang wrote:

Hey,

On 19.08.2014 17:36, Bruno Friedmann wrote:

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On Tuesday 19 August 2014 13.47:16 Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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On 18.08.2014 10:38, Bruno Friedmann wrote:

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On Monday 18 August 2014 10.29:46 Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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On 16.08.2014 13:05, Nenad Latinović wrote:

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or to find a way to merge the n.o.o. with lizards. How could that be done?

Yeah that is a long standing wish of many people. It would be trivial with the current wordpress, but it would require some engineering and migrating which we lack manpower for...

Henne, could you please try to have a rough estimate of the effort ? is it one day, one week, a month ???

I would say 24 man hours/3 working days.

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How hard it would be a by example a small team with 2 noobs, a you like, and a darix like ?

Well if you're a noob and you don't know what you're doing it's not going to happen. This is not a task for inexperienced people :-)

I mean noobs in the sense of how infrastructure is done, and what there's in it. If this task is absolutely not for inexperienced people,

We are talking about merging two wordpress instances into a wordpress multisite network. You need experience in wordpress, PHP, HTML, CSS, SQL. to be accurate mySQL/mariadb wordpress has never understood other engine like postgreSQL ;-)

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and need infrastructure access, then it will never be possible for community to take the challenge.

Ah c'mon, how often do we have to repeat this :-/ Working on the openSUSE infrastructure happens on https://github.com/openSUSE/. Everyone can do it.

Yeap that equivalent to said, the doc is in the wiki :-))) (me joking you know that) Okay specifically if I'm looking in https://github.com/openSUSE/lizards I'm seeing there lots of https://github.com/openSUSE/lizards/blob/master/index.html%3Fp%3D10255.html which doesn't seems to make sense that much except if they are needed as statique pages, but then why ?

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So to free up time for making this happen, what's the solution ( read which ring I've to bell )

People doing it. Dunno which bell that is...

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And who as experienced people, can mentor and drive the right actions ?

I don't know. Any wordpress experts around?

Henne

I've drop the last instance of wordpress on my own infrastructure one year ago but still have some knowledge :-) As you said about suse communities, perhaps we can grab some help or advise about what they have done there ? -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Board GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot ~~~ ~~~ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner@opensuse.org