October 2012 - openSUSE Marketing - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-marketing] so what's Jos up to...
by Jos Poortvliet 10 Oct '12

10 Oct '12

Heya all, Just to let you know what's going on with the interviews: Got feedback from Thijs (speaker I interviewed) that the interview is OK so RIGHT NOW uploading to blip.tv, youtube follows later. Finished editing the video of Bas vd Abel, asked him for feedback. Will edit the video of Georg Greve tomorrow. Should all be in time (JUST in time) for a nice article on Thursday... The article itself can still use some editing and I especially hope the interview with Shane will be done in time (hint hint!) On a related note, I said I'd take care of communication to the conference participants. Will is going to help a bit with promo tasks, so I asked him to prepare a nice, energetic mail about adding lightning talks and BoF sessions by conf participants. I also prepared 4-5 other mails for conf participants and speakers. Now need speaker list from Michal and/or Theo and then update the participant list when Will has finished his mail so I can send out another 500 spam mails ;-) Have a lot of fun, Jos -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-marketing] promoDVD's shipping stop until after oSC
by Jos Poortvliet 09 Oct '12

09 Oct '12

Hi folks, We're receiving quite some orders for promo DVD's and that is cool. But unfortunately we're extremely busy with the openSUSE conference and that has priority. So, until after the conference on Oct 20-23, we will not be able to process shipping requests for DVD's and other promo materials. After the conf we'll get to it as quickly as we can, OK? Regards, Jos The openSUSE Team

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[opensuse-marketing] interviews and other scheduling things
by Jos Poortvliet 08 Oct '12

08 Oct '12

Heya folks, Thanks to way too many hours Friday, this weekend and today, I managed to finish editing 3 interviews. Two of them are already on-line, go and spread the word please! Thanks to the awesome writing of Helen, I could publish an article with embedded those video's as well as the interview with Stathis (that Helen did!) and more without having to, well, skip sleeping :D So hugs to Helen - girl, I hope some day we can meet again... I need to organize a new marketing meeting, don't I ;-) Anyway, we have some other things that need to go out and these should, ideally, also get some translation to cz. The article that just went out on news.o.o can, if possible, also be translated and shared of course but for the coming articles we really need to try and get that done. So, I tried to make a bit of a plan for this week. *October 9* Tomorrow, we should publish the party schedule. If possible, I will add to that the announcement of the two Round Tables for the Future Media track. *October 10* On Wednesday, we will announce the sponsors of the event. *October 11* Thursday I hope to do part two of the interviews. This will at least have video interviews with Thijs de Vries and Bas van Abel as well as a text interview with Shane (if he answers Helen in time) so that will be mostly about the Future Media track. It'd be great if Athanasios-Ilias Rousinopoulos can get the answers from Roca by then (just tell him to keep it short, dude!) and I'll also try to work in what I received from Lydia Pintscher. It'll be a great article by then, both in terms of size as well as content :D Maybe we can do something more later on but I think this week is most important to beat the drum on our program: we need to get people to register and all that! IF there is anything else to announce, please, PLEASE let me know. I'll try to keep a decent plan... Any other input and help is VERY much welcome. Again thanks for Helen, Popcorn and Camila are quite happy with the attention I can now give them, thanks to you :D Hugs and kisses, Jos

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[opensuse-marketing] openSUSE Conference 2012 – Invitation to Lightning Talks and Speedy Geeko
by Izabel Valverde 04 Oct '12

04 Oct '12

The openSUSE Conference in Prague is about to happen and one more time with great talks and workshops and the warmth of the openSUSE Community. Being there is really awesome and being a part of it is really great. This year we'll bring one more time the openSUSE lightning talks and Speedy Geeko. We encourage everyone to come and be a part of it. Please READ MORE http://news.opensuse.org/2012/10/02/opensuse-conference-2012-invitation-to-… Informations and submissions about Lightning Talk please contact "izabelvalverde at opensuse dot org" with subject title: Lightning talks Informations and submissions about Speedy Geeko please contact "warlordfff at opensuse dot org" with subject title: Speedy Geeko Join us! Your hosts Izabel Valverde and Kostas Koudaras -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-marketing] Promo material stock questions
by Marcel Kühlhorn 03 Oct '12

03 Oct '12

Hi all, in preparation to a small forums meet-up of opensuse-forum.de I'm putting together a list of things to get for it and stumbled across some questions meanwhile. First: When will openSUSE 12.2 Promo-DVDs earliest be available? The meeting is scheduled for the last September weekend (28 to 30.09.) and it would be a certain nice to have them by then. If that is not possible I'll order them later on seperately from the other items. Second: Is all on this list currently available: - 600 DVDs - 600 stickers (one sticker per DVD) - 400 flyers - 200 small posters (the ones with the calendars on the backside, guess there will be new ones for 2013) - 100 big posters - 20 t-shirts for attendees Third: Are there different T-Shirt sizes? If so I'll have to ask those who already confirmed their attendance what sizes they need. Fourth: Is it possible to get hands on some old toad? That's all for now, looking forward to get some answers. -- Marcel Kühlhorn freenode: tux93 Have a lot of fun!

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[opensuse-marketing] interviews
by Jos Poortvliet 03 Oct '12

03 Oct '12

Heya folks, So I'll do a skype interview with the first speaker on the Future Media track and Helen will talk to Shane. Now, who wants to talk to Ramon Roca who is building a free broadband network in Spain (!!!) or one of the other interesting folks at http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Conference_Interviews ;-) Pick one, let me know and I'll get you in contact with them, help you get questions to them, and help you get your article on news.opensuse.org!!! Hugs, Jos

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[opensuse-marketing] Interviews with speakers from oSC Future Media track
by Jos Poortvliet 01 Oct '12

01 Oct '12

Heya folks, At the openSUSE Conference we have a 'specia' track about the effects of modern Media on our life - think about the risks of not owning your data in the cloud (and what is done against that by awesome people building Free networks and open cloud software), the benefits open source can bring (using open source technology and methods for disaster relief), and more. These things are very interesting and it is valuable to tell people about it and persuade them to visit the conference! A good way of doing that is by doing a few interviews with these speakers. You can find the list of speakers on http://bootstrapping-awesome.org/schedule/ and I have contact details of all of them. As questions, the following would suffice: - tell us about yourself - what will you talk about - How did you get involved with that and why do you care about it so much, why does it matter? - what do you have to say to the (potential) visitors of the conference, what would you say is your message? I need someone to help me with this. It is easy: all you have to do is mail these folks (I'll give you their addresses), ask them if they ware OK doing an interview, if Ok send the questions, collect the answers, maybe do a bit of back-and-forth if things are unclear, and put it all in 1 or a few articles with me. If you're up for it, you COULD do one or all of the interviews by skype or Google hangout. That is very cool - although you might want to record them to not miss anything :D Upside: you not only get to help openSUSE and do a bit of writing with someone who has some experience, but you also get to chat with these very interesting folks! Who wants to help? /Jos

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Re: [opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-marketing] Call for help translation of osc'12 program announcement
by Jos Poortvliet 01 Oct '12

01 Oct '12

On Thursday 27 September 2012 15:32:45 Tony Su wrote: > Everything you suggest is possible and I'm of course willing to setup any > demo people may be interested in. > > The main thing is I would want some kind of concensus from "The Powers > that Be" there would be some kind of future if it really solves the > problem satisfactorly, no one wants to waste time on something that can't > happen. I actually blogged about decision making in openSUSE at some point, see: http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/2011/10/discuss-here.html Hopefully that clarifies some things ;-) > The reason why I used the term "shepherding" is because I am always > interested in building something that can live independently of myself-- > I'm not looking to make myself indispensible, from the first day of > anything I do I'm looking to bring on others who want to build the same > thing. > > Also, awhile back I started penciling out what mass Translation for > openSUSE might become. Yes, all things start small. But, if this becomes > important to more people in openSUSE, I'd like to involve anyone who wants > this to enhance what they do and avoid being unable to deliver. > > Tony > > On Sep 27, 2012 2:38 AM, "Jos Poortvliet" <jos(a)opensuse.org> wrote: > > On Wednesday 26 September 2012 15:18:09 Tony Su wrote: > > > Hello Jan (and whoever else receives this, I'm not subscribed to all > > > the mail-lists on CC) > > > > > > Yes, it's quite possible that the initial translations might not be > > > "good enough" -- and ultimately since machine translations today still > > > cannot usually provide better than word for word literal word > > > substitution, "good enough" is probably best defined as understandable > > > although not with the smooth idiomatic linguistic structures that can > > > best be provided by a human being. > > > > > > What machine translation can provide is the ability to get the proper > > > meaning across, to communicate an idea properly. And, if human > > > resources aren't available, this is better than no communication at > > > all. > > > > > > As for accuracy... Particularly for short, "standard expressions" that > > > crop up again and again in the types of documents we produce, > > > Web-based translations provide a means for anyone to submit an > > > improvement or correction. Assuming that Google or Microsoft or > > > whoever is used as the Translation Partner properly evaluates, accepts > > > and implements suggestions for future use of the same expression, we > > > should expect that within rather short order future documents should > > > be translated extremely well. > > > > > > If there is any interest in openSUSE/SUSE to investiggate the > > > capabilities of this technology, a project should be designated that > > > can properly evaluate whether machine translation is worthless or > > > promising and if desired I am willing to shepherd it. > > > > 'shepherd' or 'do' ;-) > > > > I wouldn't know what would be needed to actually TEST this out - but > > you're right that there are plenty of pages not translated in plenty of > > languages. > > > > Quite a few of our sites are in github, maybe you can set up a test > > version with a translation system of, say, openbuildservice.org: fork > > https://github.com/openSUSE/o-b-s.org and add the translation system, > > then run it somewhere so ppl can check it out. If it's better than what > > we have (and from your comments I take it it will be) you can just make > > a merge request to the github repo and the maintainers get it up. And > > done, one down, a dozen to go :D > > > > Then there is the wiki. How do we support our translators with this, can > > google translate be helpful for that? For example, maybe it is possible > > to have an auto-translate run over our wiki pages so all pages get > > translations > > in say the basic 25 languages or so. Then people can edit as things used > > to are... > > > > Is that possible? Is there a mediawiki tool which can crawl our > > en.opensuse.org wiki and, for pages that have no de.opensuse.org, > > fr.opensuse.org etc etc equivalents, create and fill them? If you 'just' > > manage to do that, our wiki has become far more accessible to non-native > > speakers... > > > > Cheers, > > Jos > > > > > Tony > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Jan Engelhardt <jengelh(a)inai.de> wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 2012-09-11 23:20, Tony Su wrote: > > > >>Highly recommend posting machine-translated copy using either Google > > > >>Translate(http://translate.google.com/) or Microsoft > > > >>Translate(http://www.bing.com/translator) > > > >> > > > >>Both are free and only take seconds then ask for a native speaker > > > >>review to clean up any idioms and colloquials. > > > >> > > > > The time to weed out the bugs of automatic translation is close to > > > > doing a non-automated, more targeted translation. Especially the > > > > farther east you go on the globe (Japanese TL with Google is pretty > > > > much unusable in either direction) and/or dealing with > > > > highly-technical words (and fillers) - which the announcement is in > > > > no > > > > way short of, like "Call For Papers", "to keynote", "to kick off", > > > > "workshop", "track", "session", "usability expert", and (obviousisms > > > > like) "speakers talking".

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Re: [opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-marketing] Call for help translation of osc'12 program announcement
by Jos Poortvliet 01 Oct '12

01 Oct '12

On Thursday 27 September 2012 15:32:45 Tony Su wrote: > Everything you suggest is possible and I'm of course willing to setup any > demo people may be interested in. > > The main thing is I would want some kind of concensus from "The Powers > that Be" there would be some kind of future if it really solves the > problem satisfactorly, no one wants to waste time on something that can't > happen. Dunno if anyone else here gets skull crushing visions from 'The Powers that Be', I sure don't - I don't think there is anyone who can answer that question I am afraid. However if the demo works it will be up to the website owners to accept merge requests to enable this functionality. They will only do that if they feel it's worth it - as they will have to maintain it in the future. As they don't seem like feeling responding here, I have no idea if they will. That is in part why I suggested to create a demo site of say open- build-service.org - if that works satisfactory, the owners of that site (that'd be Adrian & the rest of the OBS team, I suppose) might like it and be willing to adopt it. If they do, well, in dutch we say "once one sheep has crossed the dam, others will follow". > The reason why I used the term "shepherding" is because I am always > interested in building something that can live independently of myself-- > I'm not looking to make myself indispensible, from the first day of > anything I do I'm looking to bring on others who want to build the same > thing. Unless someone does it, it isn't gonna happen. We've got shepherders plenty, but no sheep interested in doing it until someone has shown it's worth doing. That's what I suggested doing... If you've implemented this and it is accepted by the website admins, that means they are convinced of the value. At that point, it WILL live on independent of you because they have to maintain it and websites which don't implement it might get it just to fall in line. > Also, awhile back I started penciling out what mass Translation for > openSUSE might become. Yes, all things start small. But, if this becomes > important to more people in openSUSE, I'd like to involve anyone who wants > this to enhance what they do and avoid being unable to deliver. It's about the first step - unless it's shown to work on a site and provides some benefit, it won't go anywhere, I'm afraid. That's why I suggested to Just Do It. > Tony > > On Sep 27, 2012 2:38 AM, "Jos Poortvliet" <jos(a)opensuse.org> wrote: > > On Wednesday 26 September 2012 15:18:09 Tony Su wrote: > > > Hello Jan (and whoever else receives this, I'm not subscribed to all > > > the mail-lists on CC) > > > > > > Yes, it's quite possible that the initial translations might not be > > > "good enough" -- and ultimately since machine translations today still > > > cannot usually provide better than word for word literal word > > > substitution, "good enough" is probably best defined as understandable > > > although not with the smooth idiomatic linguistic structures that can > > > best be provided by a human being. > > > > > > What machine translation can provide is the ability to get the proper > > > meaning across, to communicate an idea properly. And, if human > > > resources aren't available, this is better than no communication at > > > all. > > > > > > As for accuracy... Particularly for short, "standard expressions" that > > > crop up again and again in the types of documents we produce, > > > Web-based translations provide a means for anyone to submit an > > > improvement or correction. Assuming that Google or Microsoft or > > > whoever is used as the Translation Partner properly evaluates, accepts > > > and implements suggestions for future use of the same expression, we > > > should expect that within rather short order future documents should > > > be translated extremely well. > > > > > > If there is any interest in openSUSE/SUSE to investiggate the > > > capabilities of this technology, a project should be designated that > > > can properly evaluate whether machine translation is worthless or > > > promising and if desired I am willing to shepherd it. > > > > 'shepherd' or 'do' ;-) > > > > I wouldn't know what would be needed to actually TEST this out - but > > you're right that there are plenty of pages not translated in plenty of > > languages. > > > > Quite a few of our sites are in github, maybe you can set up a test > > version with a translation system of, say, openbuildservice.org: fork > > https://github.com/openSUSE/o-b-s.org and add the translation system, > > then run it somewhere so ppl can check it out. If it's better than what > > we have (and from your comments I take it it will be) you can just make > > a merge request to the github repo and the maintainers get it up. And > > done, one down, a dozen to go :D > > > > Then there is the wiki. How do we support our translators with this, can > > google translate be helpful for that? For example, maybe it is possible > > to have an auto-translate run over our wiki pages so all pages get > > translations > > in say the basic 25 languages or so. Then people can edit as things used > > to are... > > > > Is that possible? Is there a mediawiki tool which can crawl our > > en.opensuse.org wiki and, for pages that have no de.opensuse.org, > > fr.opensuse.org etc etc equivalents, create and fill them? If you 'just' > > manage to do that, our wiki has become far more accessible to non-native > > speakers... > > > > Cheers, > > Jos > > > > > Tony > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Jan Engelhardt <jengelh(a)inai.de> wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 2012-09-11 23:20, Tony Su wrote: > > > >>Highly recommend posting machine-translated copy using either Google > > > >>Translate(http://translate.google.com/) or Microsoft > > > >>Translate(http://www.bing.com/translator) > > > >> > > > >>Both are free and only take seconds then ask for a native speaker > > > >>review to clean up any idioms and colloquials. > > > >> > > > > The time to weed out the bugs of automatic translation is close to > > > > doing a non-automated, more targeted translation. Especially the > > > > farther east you go on the globe (Japanese TL with Google is pretty > > > > much unusable in either direction) and/or dealing with > > > > highly-technical words (and fillers) - which the announcement is in > > > > no > > > > way short of, like "Call For Papers", "to keynote", "to kick off", > > > > "workshop", "track", "session", "usability expert", and (obviousisms > > > > like) "speakers talking".

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