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The three fonts licenses permits free distribution separately of bundled with other OS software, as well as free noncommercial and commercial use.

Do you have a license statement for these fonts somewhere? -- Mike FABIAN http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。

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I would also like to provide SUSE Linux with seth of freely distributable Georgian scalable, professionally delta-hinted truetype fonts, which are produced by BPG Info-Tech, the leading vendor of Georgian typefaces. It would be nice if theese fonts could default for Georgian language.

According to fontconfig, *none* of these fonts supports Georgian: mfabian@magellan:~$ fc-list "BPG Courier" lang :lang=aa|af|ast|ava|ay|be|bg|bi|bin|br|bs|ca|ce|ch|co|cs|cy|da|de|en|eo|es|et|eu|fi|fj|fo|fr|fur|fy|gd|gl|gn|gv|ho|hr|hu|ia|ibo|id|ie|ik|io|is|it|ki|kl|kum|la|lb|lez|lt|lv|mg|mh|mt|nb|nds|nl|nn|no|ny|oc|om|os|pl|pt|rm|ru|se|sel|sh|sk|sl|sma|smj|smn|so|sq|sr|sv|sw|tn|tr|ts|uk|vo|vot|wa|wen|wo|xh|yap|zu mfabian@magellan:~$ fc-list "BPG Glaho" lang :lang=fj|ho|ia|ie|io|om|so|sw|ts|xh|zu mfabian@magellan:~$ fc-list "BPG Chveulebrivi" lang :lang=aa|ast|ay|bi|br|ch|da|de|en|es|eu|fj|fo|fur|fy|gd|gl|gv|ho|ia|id|ie|io|is|it|lb|mg|nb|nds|nl|nn|no|oc|om|pt|rm|sma|smj|so|sq|sv|sw|tn|ts|vo|wa|xh|yap|zu mfabian@magellan:~$ Note that "ka" is missing in the output. This is because fontconfig currently requires the following characters in a font to support Georgian: # $RCSId: xc/lib/fontconfig/fc-lang/ka.orth,v 1.2 2002/07/06 23:59:16 keithp Exp $ # # Copyright © 2002 Keith Packard [... license comment ommitted ...] # Georgian (KA) 0589 # Armenian full stop (vertsaket) #10a0-10c5 # capital letters, not used in normal writing 10d0-10f6 #10f7-10f8 # additional letters for Mingrelian and Svan 10fb #2018 # single quote #201a # single quote #201c # double quote #201e # double quote None of the three BPG fonts has U+0589. "BPG Glaho" and "BPG Courier" support U+10d0 - U+10f6 and U+10fb but "BPG Chveulebrivi" lacks U+10f1 - U+10f6. Therefore, none of these fonts will be selected by default when running in a Georgian locale, even if I add entries in /etc/fonts/fonts.conf to prefer these fonts. Is U+0589 really needed for Georgian? If not, this requirement should be removed from ka.orth in fontconfig. If yes, this character needs to be added to the fonts. What about the missing U+10f1 - U+10f6 in "BPG Chveulebrivi"? -- Mike FABIAN http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。

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Currently there is no ka_GE.UTF-8 locale on SuSE Linux 9.3¹, only ka_GE:

now filed as bug #84527 on http://bugzilla.novell.com. -- Mike FABIAN http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。

On 5/18/05, Mike FABIAN wrote:

Can you also please tell me which URL to specify in the .spec file? Is your URL http://aiet.qartuli.net/docs/georgian_on_linux_en.php the "official" home for these fonts?

Yes, since the fonts are special versions for use on GNU Linux systems and were created by font vendor on my request, they are only published on my site (of course, they can be hosted/ published basically anywhere). So the official URL should be http://aiet.qartuli.net/docs/georgian_on_linux_en.php

And what should I use as the e-mail address of the author?

I have sent you the address of the author directly to your address.

Your keyboard layout http://aiet.qartuli.net/download/ge_la.gz is apparently very different from the already existing etc/X11/xkb/symbols/pc/ge_la

Apparently you updated it a lot. I filed a bugreport against xorg:

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3332

Thank you very much. I will post a follow-up there too. Also, the new ergonomic eyboard layout standard was adopted recently. I will create Georgian ergonomic layout mode too. The most popular and widely used Georgian layout is ge_la, so this should be the default one for Georgian.

I think flags are only used in KDE. YaST2 doesn't use any flags.

I.e. if you want to add a Georgian flag, better submit it to the KDE project so they can add it upstream. It will then appear on SuSE Linux after the next KDE update.

Thank you.

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Also, could someone tell me if SUSE installer supports unicode?

Yes, it does.

Nice. Could you kindly tell me if there is a Georgian unicode console font in tn SuSE distribution? -- Best regards, Aiet Kolkhi http://www.Gakartuleba.org

Yes, UTF-8 is the only proper way to use for Georgian. the 8-bit encodings are no longer used. On 5/19/05, Mike FABIAN wrote:

If not, please go to https://bugzilla.novell.com/ and create yourself an account. Please tell me the e-mail address you used for your bugzilla account, then I can add you to the CC: of bugs related to Georgian.

Thanks. The email used for creating mu account is aietkolkhi <at> gmail.com

¹ By the way, there is something wrong with the download link for the locale package on your page, when trying to download http://aiet.qartuli.net/download/locales-ka-2.3.3-7mdk.i586.rpm I always get an empty file.

I have corrected the file. It should be working now.

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¹ By the way, there is something wrong with the download link for the locale package on your page, when trying to download http://aiet.qartuli.net/download/locales-ka-2.3.3-7mdk.i586.rpm I always get an empty file.

I have corrected the file. It should be working now.

Thank you, I could download http://aiet.qartuli.net/download/locales-ka-2.3.4-2mdk.i586.rpm now. -- Mike FABIAN http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。

Aiet Kolkhi さんは書きました:

Yes, since the fonts are special versions for use on GNU Linux systems and were created by font vendor on my request, they are only published on my site (of course, they can be hosted/ published basically anywhere). So the official URL should be http://aiet.qartuli.net/docs/georgian_on_linux_en.php

The fonts are available as a SuSE package now: ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/m17n/9.3/noarch/bpg-fonts-0.20050518-0.1.noarch.rpm ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/projects/m17n/9.3/src/bpg-fonts-0.20050518-0.1.src.rpm and will be included in the next version of SuSE Linux. -- Mike FABIAN http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。

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# Georgian (KA) 0589 # Armenian full stop (vertsaket) #10a0-10c5 # capital letters, not used in normal writing 10d0-10f6 #10f7-10f8 # additional letters for Mingrelian and Svan 10fb #2018 # single quote #201a # single quote #201c # double quote #201e # double quote

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None of the three BPG fonts has U+0589.

#0589 (Armenian full stop) is a big mistake, as 0589 has nothing to do with Georgian alphabeth (it is not even in Unicode Georgian range). It is indeed very strange how this letter ended up in list.

#10a0-10c5 (as you noted) are not used in modern-day Georgian writing and I think should be removed from Georgian font requirement list.

Is already commented out, i.e. this line in ka.orth is not used.

#10f7-10f8 letters for Mingrelian and Svan should also be removed from the list, as practically they are as good as never used in Georgian writing too.

also already commented out.

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"BPG Glaho" and "BPG Courier" support U+10d0 - U+10f6 and U+10fb but "BPG Chveulebrivi" lacks U+10f1 - U+10f6.

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Therefore, none of these fonts will be selected by default when running in a Georgian locale, even if I add entries in /etc/fonts/fonts.conf to prefer these fonts.

I think we should remove all the letters from the requirement I noted above.

But what about U+10f1 -U+10f6 which are missing in BPG Chveulebrivi? Are these needed or not? -- Mike FABIAN http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。

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Also, could someone tell me if SUSE installer supports unicode?

Yes, it does.

Nice. Could you kindly tell me if there is a Georgian unicode console font in tn SuSE distribution?

I don't think so. Do you have one?

Georgian on the console probably works when using fbiterm (a terminal emulator for a framebuffer Linux console using X11 bitmap fonts, by default it uses the Gnu Unifont).

For installation, that is not very useful though, when you can use a framebuffer, you can almost always do a graphical installation as well. If you cannot do a graphical installtion, it is unlikely that a text-mode framebuffer installation will work. To use Georgian on a non-framebuffer VGA-Console, a Georgian font is needed and I don't think we currently have one. -- Mike FABIAN http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。

On 5/20/05, Mike FABIAN wrote:

Is it really OK to remove U+10f1 -U+10f6 from the requirement because "BPG Chveulebrivi" doesn't have them or is "BGP Chveulebrivi" incomplete?

Yes indeed. They were removed from Georgian alphabeth about 100 years ago. -- Aiet Kolkhi

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Currently there is no ka_GE.UTF-8 locale on SuSE Linux 9.3¹, only ka_GE:

now filed as bug #84527 on http://bugzilla.novell.com.

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Mike, could you change the type/ restriction of the bug #84527 to be accessible to all?

I added you to the CC: list of the bug to give you access. -- Mike FABIAN http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。