On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 2:07 AM, Takashi Iwai wrote:

At Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:31:53 +0000, Ray Chen wrote:

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I've download 12.1 m1 DVD Found that default input method is still scim Scim seems out of maintenance I hope 12.1 can use ibus as default input method but keep scim in dvd as an optional choise and add gcin and fcitx (available in M17N) to dvd as an alternative choice

I'm basically for it. Does anyone have objection against it?

Basically we'd need two things:

- Enable locale supplements in ibus.spec and IM packages - Adjust the priority in xim.d in ibus.spec

thanks,

Takashi

I agree with Ray Chen. I thought that SCIM is more difficult to use than Fcitx, and that if SCIM "out of maintenance", why don't replace it with a activity one.

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Satoru Matsumoto wrote:

Takashi Iwai wrote:

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- Adjust the priority in xim.d in ibus.spec

Well, it might be an off-topic though, there are ja (symlink to scim is put in this directory) and ja_JP (symlink to ibus is put in this directory) directories under /etc/X11/xim.d ATM. Does anyone know the reason why there are 2 directries for Japanese? Or, can we integrate them? Best, -- _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing/Weekly News/openFATE Screening Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds_at_gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.zaq.ne.jp/opensuse/ _/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-m17n+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-m17n+help@opensuse.org

2011/6/16 Satoru Matsumoto :

Hi mates,

I will Cc this post to -factory and -ja lists in hopes of getting more feedback.

@users who need to input multi-byte characters

We are now discussing about replacing SCIM with iBus as our default input method for multi-byte characters.

If you are interested in this topic, please try ibus related packages in M17N repo and if you find some problems, join the discussion on -m17n list or comment the feature #308892. https://features.opensuse.org/308892

Takashi Iwai wrote:

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At Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:31:53 +0000, Ray Chen wrote:

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I've download 12.1 m1 DVD Found that default input method is still scim Scim seems out of maintenance I hope 12.1 can use ibus as default input method but keep scim in dvd as an optional choise and add gcin and fcitx (available in M17N) to dvd as an alternative choice

I'm basically for it. Does anyone have objection against it?

As I commented in the feature #308892, current iBus has much more advantages than disadvantages compared with SCIM. So I'm also basically for it.

However, if we set iBus as a default input method, I hope some issues will be solved until the release of openSUSE 12.1.

- Input problem on Flash site

Please go to http://bugzilla-attachments.mozilla.gr.jp/attachment.cgi?id=2275 and try whether you can input characters there.

I can input Japanese characters in above link see my screenshots https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/mcNXEtpH7tU7RkAh2qiUAQ?feat=directlink and I also try another website: http://weathernews.jp/ https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/hbobUjW4YxOZsEneyrF5HQ?feat=directlink Seem OK with ibus 1.3.9 and ibus-anthy from M17N in my openSUSE 11.3 desktop (11.3 x86 system, firefox 4.0.1, Shockwave Flash 10.3 r181) rpm -qa | grep ibus ibus-table-ipa-x-sampa-1.3.0.20100528-1.1.i586 ibus-table-chinese-yong-1.3.0.20101206-1.1.noarch ibus-table-chinese-easy-1.3.0.20101206-1.1.noarch ibus-gtk-1.3.9-18.1.i586 ibus-table-translit-ua-1.3.0.20100528-1.1.i586 ibus-table-cns11643-1.3.0.20100528-1.1.i586 ibus-table-chinese-wu-1.3.0.20101206-1.1.noarch ibus-table-chinese-array-1.3.0.20101206-1.1.noarch libusb-1_0-0-1.0.8-1.2.i586 libusb-0_1-4-0.1.13-6.1.i586 libusbmuxd1-1.0.4-1.6.i586 libibus2-1.3.9-18.1.i586 ibus-anthy-1.2.6-12.1.i586 ibus-table-viqr-1.3.0.20100528-1.1.i586 ibus-table-rustrad-1.3.0.20100528-1.1.i586 ibus-table-compose-1.3.0.20100528-1.1.i586 ibus-hangul-1.3.1-12.1.i586 ibus-table-chinese-wubi-haifeng-1.3.0.20101206-1.1.noarch ibus-table-chinese-quick-1.3.0.20101206-1.1.noarch ibus-table-chinese-cangjie-1.3.0.20101206-1.1.noarch ibus-qt-1.3.1-10.1.i586 ibus-table-yawerty-1.3.0.20100528-1.1.i586 ibus-table-thai-1.3.0.20100528-1.1.i586 ibus-table-emoji-1.3.0.20100528-1.1.i586 ibus-table-1.3.0.20100621-12.1.i586 ibus-m17n-1.3.2-13.1.i586 ibus-table-chinese-wubi-jidian-1.3.0.20101206-1.1.noarch ibus-table-chinese-scj-1.3.0.20101206-1.1.noarch ibus-table-chinese-cantonese-1.3.0.20101206-1.1.noarch ibus-1.3.9-18.1.i586 ibus-chewing-1.3.9.2-1.1.i586 ibus-table-others-1.3.0.20100528-1.1.i586 ibus-table-translit-1.3.0.20100528-1.1.i586 ibus-table-chinese-1.3.0.20101206-1.1.noarch ibus-table-chinese-stroke5-1.3.0.20101206-1.1.noarch ibus-table-latex-1.3.0.20100528-1.1.i586 ibus-table-chinese-erbi-1.3.0.20101206-1.1.noarch ibus-pinyin-1.3.11-12.1.i586

# related bug report: # http://code.google.com/p/ibus/issues/detail?id=1113

One of the Japanese users tweeted that he could input characters with openSUSE 12.1 M1 + M17N/iBus 1.3.9 + (anthy or mozc) + Firefox 5.0 beta, but I myself haven't tested it yet. I think you should try I'm from Taiwan, in fact I'm not sure what I've typed in I launch firefox with command export LC_ALL=ja_JP.UTF-8; firefox click on ibus icon and choose anthy Then I can input some Japanese characters

At least, we need a workaround for this problem. Seem solved upstream...

With Regards Ray Chen

- Input-pad

Currently we don't have a good input-pad for inputting special characters or marks which can be integrated to iBus (SCIM has scim-input-pad for this purpose).

I've found Input Pad project http://code.google.com/p/input-pad/ and tried to build packages for openSUSE on OBS, but I haven't succeeded building them yet after openSUSE 11.4 (yep, I could use them at least on my openSUSE 11.3) and can't figure out the cause of the failure.

I know who need it should work on it, but your help will be so much appreciated. ;-)

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Basically we'd need two things:

- Enable locale supplements in ibus.spec and IM packages - Adjust the priority in xim.d in ibus.spec

Reading the changelog of ibus package which is recently submitted to M17N repo by Ray, the priority is now set to 40. I think the score is reasonable and once we find a problem with this priority in the future, we will be able to change it anytime, won't we?

Best,

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At Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:02:15 +0900, Satoru Matsumoto wrote:

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- Input-pad

Currently we don't have a good input-pad for inputting special characters or marks which can be integrated to iBus (SCIM has scim-input-pad for this purpose).

I've found Input Pad project http://code.google.com/p/input-pad/ and tried to build packages for openSUSE on OBS, but I haven't succeeded building them yet after openSUSE 11.4 (yep, I could use them at least on my openSUSE 11.3) and can't figure out the cause of the failure.

I know who need it should work on it, but your help will be so much appreciated. ;-)

After my previous post, one of Japanese users has built packages of input-pad and ibus-input-pad. :-) https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=input-pad&project=home%3Aykoba https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=ibus-input-pad&project=home%3Aykoba

Those might be useful not only for Japanese but also for other multi-byte language users.

Feel free to submit it to M17N repo. Also, if someone is using the recent version of mozc, the submission to M17N would be helpful. IIRC, mozc itself supports the hand-writing and other features now. Takashi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-m17n+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-m17n+help@opensuse.org

2011/6/17 Satoru Matsumoto :

Hi Ray,

thanks for testing.

Ray Chen wrote:

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2011/6/16 Satoru Matsumoto :

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- Input problem on Flash site

Please go to http://bugzilla-attachments.mozilla.gr.jp/attachment.cgi?id=2275 and try whether you can input characters there.

I can input Japanese characters in above link see my screenshots  https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/mcNXEtpH7tU7RkAh2qiUAQ?feat=directlink and I also try another website:  http://weathernews.jp/ https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/hbobUjW4YxOZsEneyrF5HQ?feat=directlink Seem OK with ibus 1.3.9 and ibus-anthy from M17N in my openSUSE 11.3 desktop (11.3 x86 system, firefox 4.0.1, Shockwave Flash 10.3 r181)        ~~~ That's it! The difference between your environment and mine is, that I use *x86_64* system and flash plugin is called via nspluginwrapper.

In the past, I tried to use Flash Player "Square" Preview Release, which enables 64-bit support, http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10_square.html but the result was not good.

If you could input characters on Flash sites, this issue may basically be caused by lack of 64-bit native Flash Player.

So, in this case, iBus itself might be nothing to do with this problem. However, if the workaround would be 'use x86 version, instead of x86_64', that isn't quite cool.

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One of the Japanese users tweeted that he could input characters with openSUSE 12.1 M1 + M17N/iBus 1.3.9 + (anthy or mozc) + Firefox 5.0 beta, but I myself haven't tested it yet. I think you should try

I tested this combo (64-bit, though) on my VirtualBox, but couldn't input characters either...

I use gnome 3 live DVD x86_64 to test ibus After install ibus-gtk-32bit (seem have to update gtk-query-immodules-2.0 with gtk-query-immodules-2.0 > /etc/gtk-2.0/gtk.immodules) I can input JP Characters in http://weathernews.jp/index.html But in http://bugzilla-attachments.mozilla.gr.jp/attachment.cgi?id=2275 , ibus can active but characters just can't input to text area

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I'm from Taiwan, in fact I'm not sure what I've typed in I launch firefox with command export LC_ALL=ja_JP.UTF-8; firefox click on ibus icon and choose anthy Then I can input some Japanese characters

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At least, we need a workaround for this problem.

Seem solved upstream...

We need some more validation for this issue, but anyway, this won't be a barrier that prevents replacing SCIM with iBus as default input method, I think.

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- Input-pad

Currently we don't have a good input-pad for inputting special characters or marks which can be integrated to iBus (SCIM has scim-input-pad for this purpose).

I've found Input Pad project http://code.google.com/p/input-pad/ and tried to build packages for openSUSE on OBS, but I haven't succeeded building them yet after openSUSE 11.4 (yep, I could use them at least on my openSUSE 11.3) and can't figure out the cause of the failure.

I know who need it should work on it, but your help will be so much appreciated. ;-)

After my previous post, one of Japanese users has built packages of input-pad and ibus-input-pad. :-) https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=input-pad&project=home%3Aykoba https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=ibus-input-pad&project=home%3Aykoba

Those might be useful not only for Japanese but also for other multi-byte language users.

Best,

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Ray Chen wrote:

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2011/6/17 Satoru Matsumoto :

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One of the Japanese users tweeted that he could input characters with openSUSE 12.1 M1 + M17N/iBus 1.3.9 + (anthy or mozc) + Firefox 5.0 beta, but I myself haven't tested it yet. I think you should try

I tested this combo (64-bit, though) on my VirtualBox, but couldn't input characters either...

I use gnome 3 live DVD x86_64 to test ibus After install ibus-gtk-32bit (seem have to update gtk-query-immodules-2.0 with gtk-query-immodules-2.0 > /etc/gtk-2.0/gtk.immodules) I can input JP Characters in http://weathernews.jp/index.html But in http://bugzilla-attachments.mozilla.gr.jp/attachment.cgi?id=2275 , ibus can active but characters just can't input to text area

Thanks for testing. In my environment, installing ibus-*-32bit packages doesn't solve any problems.

By the way, can you input Chinese characters via iBus on those sites without problem? If yes, this problem might be Japanese specific... I don't think it's Japanese specific...,I think it's "website specific" I can input chinese in http://weathernews.jp/index.html https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/b4xb5i6E1x96uib5qNutsw?feat=directlink but can't in http://bugzilla-attachments.mozilla.gr.jp/attachment.cgi?id=2275 my laptop: openSUSE 11.4 x86_64, KDE, Shockwave Flash 10.3 r181 with npwrnpwrapper.so, ibus: from M17N ibus-1.3.9-23.1.x86_64

2011/6/20 Satoru Matsumoto : libibus2-32bit-1.3.9-23.1.x86_64 ibus-gtk-1.3.9-23.1.x86_64 ibus-gtk-32bit-1.3.9-23.1.x86_64 ibus-qt-1.3.1-11.1.x86_64 ibus-qt-32bit-1.3.1-11.1.x86_64 ibus-chewing-1.3.9.2-4.1.x86_64 ... Remember run this script with root after install ibus-gtk-32bit: gtk-query-immodules-2.0 > /etc/gtk-2.0/gtk.immodules Regards Ray Chen

Best,

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