Hi Florian, thanks for the encouraging hints,

...

When typing the chinese greeting

ni3 hao3 你好 nin2 hao3 您好

the first of either of the two was represented by a square.

I have no problems with the chinese charakter display in 10.2. I can see all characters. Maybe you haven't installed the right fonts?

but xlsfonts shows lots of chinese fonts on my system. Just to name some of the gb2312 and -founder-fangsong-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -founder-fangsong-bold-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -founder-fangsong-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -founder-fangsong-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -founder-fangsong-medium-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -founder-fangsong-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -founder-heiti-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -founder-heiti-bold-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -founder-heiti-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -founder-heiti-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -founder-heiti-medium-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -founder-heiti-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -founder-kaiti-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -founder-kaiti-bold-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -founder-kaiti-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -founder-kaiti-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -founder-kaiti-medium-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -founder-kaiti-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -founder-songti-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -founder-songti-bold-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -founder-songti-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -founder-songti-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -founder-songti-medium-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -founder-songti-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -guobiao-song-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-160-gb2312.80&gb8565.88-0 -isas-fangsong ti-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-160-gb2312.1980-0 -isas-song ti-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-160-gb2312.1980-0 -isas-song ti-medium-r-normal--24-240-72-72-c-240-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-bitstream cyberbit-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-bitstream cyberbit-bold-o-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-bitstream cyberbit-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-bitstream cyberbit-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-bitstream cyberbit-medium-o-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-bitstream cyberbit-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-fzfangsong-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-fzfangsong-bold-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-fzfangsong-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-fzfangsong-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-fzfangsong-medium-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-fzfangsong-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-fzheiti-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-fzheiti-bold-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-fzheiti-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-fzheiti-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-fzheiti-medium-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-fzheiti-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-fzkaiti-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-fzkaiti-bold-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-fzkaiti-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-fzkaiti-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-fzkaiti-medium-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-fzkaiti-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-fzsongti-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-fzsongti-bold-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-fzsongti-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-fzsongti-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-fzsongti-medium-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 -misc-fzsongti-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-gb2312.1980-0 and big5-based ones: -cmex-song-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -cmex-song-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -cmex-song-bold-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -cmex-song-bold-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -cmex-song-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -cmex-song-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -cmex-song-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -cmex-song-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -cmex-song-medium-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -cmex-song-medium-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -cmex-song-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -cmex-song-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -eten-fixed-medium-r-normal--16-150-75-75-c-160-big5.eten-0 -eten-fixed-medium-r-normal--24-230-75-75-c-240-big5.eten-0 -founder-kaitib-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -founder-kaitib-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -founder-kaitib-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5hkscs-0 -founder-kaitib-bold-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -founder-kaitib-bold-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -founder-kaitib-bold-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5hkscs-0 -founder-kaitib-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -founder-kaitib-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -founder-kaitib-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5hkscs-0 -founder-kaitib-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -founder-kaitib-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -founder-kaitib-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5hkscs-0 -founder-kaitib-medium-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -founder-kaitib-medium-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -founder-kaitib-medium-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5hkscs-0 -founder-kaitib-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -founder-kaitib-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -founder-kaitib-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5hkscs-0 -founder-mingtib-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -founder-mingtib-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -founder-mingtib-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5hkscs-0 -founder-mingtib-bold-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -founder-mingtib-bold-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -founder-mingtib-bold-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5hkscs-0 -founder-mingtib-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -founder-mingtib-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -founder-mingtib-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5hkscs-0 -founder-mingtib-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -founder-mingtib-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -founder-mingtib-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5hkscs-0 -founder-mingtib-medium-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -founder-mingtib-medium-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -founder-mingtib-medium-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5hkscs-0 -founder-mingtib-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -founder-mingtib-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -founder-mingtib-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5hkscs-0 -misc-fzkaitib-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -misc-fzkaitib-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -misc-fzkaitib-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5hkscs-0 -misc-fzkaitib-bold-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -misc-fzkaitib-bold-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -misc-fzkaitib-bold-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5hkscs-0 -misc-fzkaitib-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -misc-fzkaitib-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -misc-fzkaitib-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5hkscs-0 -misc-fzkaitib-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -misc-fzkaitib-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -misc-fzkaitib-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5hkscs-0 -misc-fzkaitib-medium-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -misc-fzkaitib-medium-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -misc-fzkaitib-medium-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5hkscs-0 -misc-fzkaitib-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -misc-fzkaitib-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -misc-fzkaitib-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5hkscs-0 -misc-fzmingtib-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -misc-fzmingtib-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -misc-fzmingtib-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5hkscs-0 -misc-fzmingtib-bold-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -misc-fzmingtib-bold-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -misc-fzmingtib-bold-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5hkscs-0 -misc-fzmingtib-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -misc-fzmingtib-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -misc-fzmingtib-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5hkscs-0 -misc-fzmingtib-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -misc-fzmingtib-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -misc-fzmingtib-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5hkscs-0 -misc-fzmingtib-medium-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -misc-fzmingtib-medium-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -misc-fzmingtib-medium-o-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5hkscs-0 -misc-fzmingtib-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5-0 -misc-fzmingtib-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5.eten-0 -misc-fzmingtib-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-c-0-big5hkscs-0 and cns: -cbs-song-medium-r-normal-fantizi-16-160-75-75-c-160-cns11643.1992-3 -cbs-song-medium-r-normal-fantizi-16-160-75-75-c-160-cns11643.1992-4 -cbs-song-medium-r-normal-fantizi-16-160-75-75-c-160-cns11643.1992-5 -cbs-song-medium-r-normal-fantizi-16-160-75-75-c-160-cns11643.1992-6 -cbs-song-medium-r-normal-fantizi-16-160-75-75-c-160-cns11643.1992-7 -cbs-song-medium-r-normal-fantizi-24-240-75-75-c-240-cns11643.1992-1 -cbs-song-medium-r-normal-fantizi-24-240-75-75-c-240-cns11643.1992-2 -cbs-song-medium-r-normal-fantizi-24-240-75-75-c-240-cns11643.1992-3 -cbs-song-medium-r-normal-fantizi-24-240-75-75-c-240-cns11643.1992-4 -cbs-song-medium-r-normal-fantizi-24-240-75-75-c-240-cns11643.1992-5 -cbs-song-medium-r-normal-fantizi-24-240-75-75-c-240-cns11643.1992-6 -cbs-song-medium-r-normal-fantizi-24-240-75-75-c-240-cns11643.1992-7 -hku-fixed-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-160-cns11643.1992-1 -hku-fixed-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-160-cns11643.1992-2 -misc-bitstream cyberbit-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-cns11643-1 -misc-bitstream cyberbit-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-cns11643-2 -misc-bitstream cyberbit-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-cns11643-3 -misc-bitstream cyberbit-bold-o-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-cns11643-1 -misc-bitstream cyberbit-bold-o-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-cns11643-2 -misc-bitstream cyberbit-bold-o-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-cns11643-3 -misc-bitstream cyberbit-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-cns11643-1 -misc-bitstream cyberbit-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-cns11643-2 -misc-bitstream cyberbit-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-cns11643-3 -misc-bitstream cyberbit-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-cns11643-1 -misc-bitstream cyberbit-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-cns11643-2 -misc-bitstream cyberbit-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-cns11643-3 -misc-bitstream cyberbit-medium-o-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-cns11643-1 -misc-bitstream cyberbit-medium-o-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-cns11643-2 -misc-bitstream cyberbit-medium-o-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-cns11643-3 -misc-bitstream cyberbit-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-cns11643-1 -misc-bitstream cyberbit-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-cns11643-2 -misc-bitstream cyberbit-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-cns11643-3 Beside the cyberbit font, which covers much of the unicode range, there is also gnu unifont -gnu-unifont-medium-r-normal--16-160-75-75-c-80-iso10646-1 -gnu-unifont-medium-r-normal--16-160-75-75-p-80-iso10646-1 The only differnece to the standard 10.2 distribution (in which I chose all CJK locales as secondary languages) should be the presence of the cyberbit font. As a locale, I'm mostly using de_DE.utf-8. -- Hartmut Pilch 裴寒牧 ピルヒ・ハルトムート http://a2e.de/phm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-m17n+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-m17n+help@opensuse.org

I write this after reading your exchange - with the hope that you might either help me to get started with Japanese facilities - or give me some leads whom else to contact.. I was a Windows user for many years, and used the Microsoft input program for Japanese (I am fairly fluent in the language). But some months ago (after a severe hardware problem) I changed to an ACER Travelmate 2420 (which was sold without any OS), and I installed SuSE 10.0 and later upgraded to 10.1. I did NOT create any Windows partition, and I am quite happy working in the Linux environment only - adding one element of what I need after the other. But I have not yet started to add Japanese. Any guidance how to start is highly welcome. Norbert Klein Phnom Penh/Cambodia Have a look at www.khmeros.info - creating UNICODE based localized Open Source software in Khmer = PILCH Hartmut wrote:

On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 01:57:18AM +0100, PILCH Hartmut wrote:

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Hi Florian,

thanks for the encouraging hints,

...

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When typing the chinese greeting

ni3 hao3 你好 nin2 hao3 您好

the first of either of the two was represented by a square.

I have no problems with the chinese charakter display in 10.2. I can see all characters. Maybe you haven't installed the right fonts?

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PILCH Hartmut さんは書きました:

On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 01:57:18AM +0100, PILCH Hartmut wrote:

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Hi Florian,

thanks for the encouraging hints,

...

...

When typing the chinese greeting

ni3 hao3 你好 nin2 hao3 您好

the first of either of the two was represented by a square.

I have no problems with the chinese charakter display in 10.2. I can see all characters. Maybe you haven't installed the right fonts?

...

As a locale, I'm mostly using de_DE.utf-8.

But this happens just as well under zh_CN.utf-8.

Have you also installed the Japanese fonts on your display?

My impression is that these are being used systematically for the whole unihan range, and when they don't cover some code points, those remain empty.

I guess you are using KDE. This is just a Qt3 font problem. Qt3 can only use a single font for the complete Han region., The defaults should be OK if you are using the right locale, i.e. when using zh_CN.UTF-8, a simplified Chinese font should be preferred, when using ja_JP.UTF-8, a Japanese font should be preferred. In de_DE.UTF-8, a Japanese font will be preferred. If you get a wrong font, you can force the right font to be used in KDE by selecting it explicitely in the KDE control centre instead of the generic place holders "Sans Serif", "Serif" and "Monospace". I.e. select "FZSongTi" in the KDE control centre, if it is not used automatically. -- Mike FABIAN http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。 I � Unicode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-m17n+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-m17n+help@opensuse.org

PILCH Hartmut さんは書きました:

Hi Mike,

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I guess you are using KDE.

In fact I'm using Ratpoison, mostly. However I have tried with KDE and it was the same.

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This is just a Qt3 font problem.

Ratpoision doesn't use Qt3 AFAICS.

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Qt3 can only use a single font for the complete Han region.,

Then maybe there is a way to configure it to use cyberbit.ttf (mentioned in file:/usr/share/doc/packages/cjk-latex/README.SuSE).

Yes, you can of course select "Bitstream Cyberbit" in KDE (or "FZSongTi" which also is very complete in the Han-region). But as theses fonts are not very nice for Latin script, it is better to choose good fonts for Latin in your KDE setup and then setup your favorite font for the Han region as a fallback font for these Latin fonts using qtconfig. You have to choose specific Latin fonts in KDE to make this work, it won't work with the generic aliases "Sans", "Serif", "Monospace". To do this, make sure you use the Qt3 qtconfig which is in /usr/lib/qt3/bin/qtconfig, not the Qt3 qtconfig which is in /usr/bin/qtconfig because KDE3 is based on Qt3. -- Mike FABIAN http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。 I � Unicode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-m17n+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-m17n+help@opensuse.org

Florian Ehinger さんは書きました:

This is not working on my system. I tried it several times with different fonts.

In my qtrc I set up the font substitution [Font Substitutions] Sans Serif=AR PL SungtiL GB^e Verdana=AR PL New Sung^e

I tried both to set up "Sans Serif" and "Verdana" as the default font in konqueror. I get still the same result, for the chinese Characters only a bitmap font is used which will not be scaled and looks quite ugly -> see attached screenshot.

You are right, this doesn't work anymore. As this used to work, I have opened the following bug report: http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=244579 I think it might be useful for you to create an account for yourself on http://www.opensuse.org. With that account you can then login to http://bugzilla.novell.com and report bugs or add comments to existing bug reports. -- Mike FABIAN http://www.suse.de/~mfabian 睡眠不足はいい仕事の敵だ。 I � Unicode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-m17n+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-m17n+help@opensuse.org