[opensuse-m17n] IPA fonts updated to version 003.02
FYI, I updated IPAGothic & co fonts to the newer version 003.02 on OBS M17N project. Let me know if any problem occurs with this update. This will be submitted to FACTORY later if no regression is found. Also, a new font package, IPAexGothic and IPAexMincho are added to M17N:Devel project. This is a "slimmed-down" version of former IPA fonts. After some tests, I'm going to populate to M17N. thanks, Takashi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-m17n+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-m17n+help@opensuse.org
Takashi Iwai wrote:
I updated IPAGothic & co fonts to the newer version 003.02 on OBS M17N project. Let me know if any problem occurs with this update. This will be submitted to FACTORY later if no regression is found.
Thanks for doing this. The problem is, that the look and feel of those newer fonts are different from that of older ones. Newer fonts are a little bit thinner than old ones and to be honest, I don't like them. :-( Please look at some screenshots for example: [KDE System Settings] http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.01.pn... http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.02.pn... [Firefox] http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.01_fi... http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.02_fi... [Kate] http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.01_ka... http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.02_ka... The difference between 003.01 and 003.02 is distinguished on Kate. In addition, I've taken a screenshot of this Thunderbird window (UTF-8 encoding). http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.02_th... You might agree that this is strange-looking and I can't see 'underlines' in above URLs - 'underlines' and 'spaces' are not discernible to the eye. Several months ago, I built Takao-fonts packages which are based on version 003.02 of IPA fonts on my home project. https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=takao-fonts&project=home%3AHeliosReds I encountered the similar problem with those fonts and I gave up submitting a request to M17N. Is there any way to solve this problem ?
Also, a new font package, IPAexGothic and IPAexMincho are added to M17N:Devel project. This is a "slimmed-down" version of former IPA fonts. After some tests, I'm going to populate to M17N.
Although it is not specific to IPAex* fonts, there's a similar problem. I've also taken a screenshot of OOo with IPAex* fonts. http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPAex_OOc.png In particular, smaller characters of IPAexMincho are bad-looking. If we don't have any good solution for this problem, I'll forward this topic to -ja list and ask Japanese users how we can/should do. Best, -- _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing/Weekly News/openFATE Screening Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds_at_gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.zaq.ne.jp/opensuse/ _/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-m17n+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-m17n+help@opensuse.org
Sorry, I wrote the wrong URLs. Satoru Matsumoto wrote: > Please look at some screenshots for example: > > [KDE System Settings] > - http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.01.png > - http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.02.png + http://heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.01.png + http://heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.02.png > [Firefox] > - http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.01_firefox.png > - http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.02_firefox.png + http://heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.01_firefox.png + http://heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.02_firefox.png > [Kate] > - http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.01_kate.png > - http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.02_kate.png + http://heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.01_kate.png + http://heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.02_kate.png > The difference between 003.01 and 003.02 is distinguished on Kate. In > addition, I've taken a screenshot of this Thunderbird window (UTF-8 > encoding). > > - http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.02_thundesbird.png + http://heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.02_thundesbird.png > You might agree that this is strange-looking and I can't see > 'underlines' in above URLs - 'underlines' and 'spaces' are not > discernible to the eye. [snip] >> Also, a new font package, IPAexGothic and IPAexMincho are added to >> M17N:Devel project. This is a "slimmed-down" version of former IPA >> fonts. After some tests, I'm going to populate to M17N. > > Although it is not specific to IPAex* fonts, there's a similar problem. > I've also taken a screenshot of OOo with IPAex* fonts. > - http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPAex_OOc.png + http://heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPAex_OOc.png > In particular, smaller characters of IPAexMincho are bad-looking. Best, -- _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing/Weekly News/openFATE Screening Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds_at_gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.zaq.ne.jp/opensuse/ _/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-m17n+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-m17n+help@opensuse.org
[KDE System Settings] - http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.01.pn... - http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.02.pn...
Oops, I wrote the wrong URLs again. :-( Excuse me please. Satoru Matsumoto wrote: + http://heliosreds.homelinux.net/~helios/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.01.png + http://heliosreds.homelinux.net/~helios/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.02.png
[Firefox] - http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.01_fi... - http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.02_fi...
+ http://heliosreds.homelinux.net/~helios/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.01_fir... + http://heliosreds.homelinux.net/~helios/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.02_fir...
[Kate] - http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.01_ka... - http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.02_ka...
+ http://heliosreds.homelinux.net/~helios/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.01_kat... + http://heliosreds.homelinux.net/~helios/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.02_kat...
The difference between 003.01 and 003.02 is distinguished on Kate. In addition, I've taken a screenshot of this Thunderbird window (UTF-8 encoding).
- http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.02_th...
+ http://heliosreds.homelinux.net/~helios/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.02_thu...
You might agree that this is strange-looking and I can't see 'underlines' in above URLs - 'underlines' and 'spaces' are not discernible to the eye.
[snip]
Also, a new font package, IPAexGothic and IPAexMincho are added to M17N:Devel project. This is a "slimmed-down" version of former IPA fonts. After some tests, I'm going to populate to M17N.
Although it is not specific to IPAex* fonts, there's a similar problem. I've also taken a screenshot of OOo with IPAex* fonts. - http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPAex_OOc.png
+ http://heliosreds.homelinux.net/~helios/opensuse/sample/IPAex_OOc.png
In particular, smaller characters of IPAexMincho are bad-looking.
Best, -- _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing/Weekly News/openFATE Screening Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds_at_gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.zaq.ne.jp/opensuse/ _/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-m17n+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-m17n+help@opensuse.org
At Sat, 24 Jul 2010 10:53:06 +0900, Satoru Matsumoto wrote:
Takashi Iwai wrote:
I updated IPAGothic & co fonts to the newer version 003.02 on OBS M17N project. Let me know if any problem occurs with this update. This will be submitted to FACTORY later if no regression is found.
Thanks for doing this.
The problem is, that the look and feel of those newer fonts are different from that of older ones. Newer fonts are a little bit thinner than old ones and to be honest, I don't like them. :-(
Please look at some screenshots for example:
[KDE System Settings] http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.01.pn... http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.02.pn...
[Firefox] http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.01_fi... http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.02_fi...
[Kate] http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.01_ka... http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.02_ka...
The difference between 003.01 and 003.02 is distinguished on Kate. In addition, I've taken a screenshot of this Thunderbird window (UTF-8 encoding).
http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.02_th...
You might agree that this is strange-looking and I can't see 'underlines' in above URLs - 'underlines' and 'spaces' are not discernible to the eye.
Several months ago, I built Takao-fonts packages which are based on version 003.02 of IPA fonts on my home project. https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=takao-fonts&project=home%3AHeliosReds I encountered the similar problem with those fonts and I gave up submitting a request to M17N.
Is there any way to solve this problem ?
These are definitely due to hinting setup. I personally prefer with hinting, but I agree that this often deforms glyph forms too badly. Try to put the following in ~/.fonts.conf: ================================================================ <?xml version="1.0"?> <!DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM "/etc/fonts/fonts.dtd"> <fontconfig> <match target="font"> <test name="family"> <string>IPAexGothic</string> <string>IPAexMincho</string> <string>IPAMincho</string> <string>IPAGothic</string> <string>IPAPMincho</string> <string>IPAPGothic</string> </test> <edit name="hinting"> <bool>false</bool> </edit> </match> </fontconfig> ================================================================ This will disable hinting for the specified fonts. If this works better, we can put the rule into the package. thanks, Takashi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-m17n+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-m17n+help@opensuse.org
At Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:41:11 +0200, I wrote:
At Sat, 24 Jul 2010 10:53:06 +0900, Satoru Matsumoto wrote:
Takashi Iwai wrote:
I updated IPAGothic & co fonts to the newer version 003.02 on OBS M17N project. Let me know if any problem occurs with this update. This will be submitted to FACTORY later if no regression is found.
Thanks for doing this.
The problem is, that the look and feel of those newer fonts are different from that of older ones. Newer fonts are a little bit thinner than old ones and to be honest, I don't like them. :-(
Please look at some screenshots for example:
[KDE System Settings] http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.01.pn... http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.02.pn...
[Firefox] http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.01_fi... http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.02_fi...
[Kate] http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.01_ka... http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.02_ka...
The difference between 003.01 and 003.02 is distinguished on Kate. In addition, I've taken a screenshot of this Thunderbird window (UTF-8 encoding).
http://hyperion/heliosreds.homelinux.net/opensuse/sample/IPA_Fonts_003.02_th...
You might agree that this is strange-looking and I can't see 'underlines' in above URLs - 'underlines' and 'spaces' are not discernible to the eye.
Several months ago, I built Takao-fonts packages which are based on version 003.02 of IPA fonts on my home project. https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=takao-fonts&project=home%3AHeliosReds I encountered the similar problem with those fonts and I gave up submitting a request to M17N.
Is there any way to solve this problem ?
These are definitely due to hinting setup. I personally prefer with hinting, but I agree that this often deforms glyph forms too badly.
Try to put the following in ~/.fonts.conf:
================================================================ <?xml version="1.0"?> <!DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM "/etc/fonts/fonts.dtd"> <fontconfig> <match target="font"> <test name="family"> <string>IPAexGothic</string> <string>IPAexMincho</string> <string>IPAMincho</string> <string>IPAGothic</string> <string>IPAPMincho</string> <string>IPAPGothic</string> </test> <edit name="hinting"> <bool>false</bool> </edit> </match> </fontconfig> ================================================================
This will disable hinting for the specified fonts. If this works better, we can put the rule into the package.
Also, instead of turning off the hinting completely, we can change the hint style. It's a value from 0 to 3, or constants hintnone, hintslight, hint medium, hintfull. Try to put the following instead of the above to ~/.fonts.conf. The hinting will be enabled a little bit (so you'll see a bit clearer glyph), but shouldn't be deformed too much. ================================================================ <?xml version="1.0"?> <!DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM "/etc/fonts/fonts.dtd"> <fontconfig> <match target="font"> <test name="family"> <string>IPAexGothic</string> <string>IPAexMincho</string> <string>IPAMincho</string> <string>IPAGothic</string> <string>IPAPMincho</string> <string>IPAPGothic</string> </test> <edit name="hintstyle"> <const>hintslight</const> </edit> </match> </fontconfig> ================================================================ Takashi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-m17n+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-m17n+help@opensuse.org
Sorry for not replying sooner. <Off Topic> Because I was so busy for translating openSUSE Weekly News that I didn't have enough time for testing. :-P
Is there any way to solve this problem ?
These are definitely due to hinting setup. I personally prefer with hinting, but I agree that this often deforms glyph forms too badly.
Try to put the following in ~/.fonts.conf:
================================================================ <?xml version="1.0"?> <!DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM "/etc/fonts/fonts.dtd"> <fontconfig> <match target="font"> <test name="family"> <string>IPAexGothic</string> <string>IPAexMincho</string> <string>IPAMincho</string> <string>IPAGothic</string> <string>IPAPMincho</string> <string>IPAPGothic</string> </test> <edit name="hinting"> <bool>false</bool> </edit> </match> </fontconfig> ================================================================
This will disable hinting for the specified fonts. If this works better, we can put the rule into the package.
Also, instead of turning off the hinting completely, we can change the hint style. It's a value from 0 to 3, or constants hintnone, hintslight, hint medium, hintfull.
Try to put the following instead of the above to ~/.fonts.conf. The hinting will be enabled a little bit (so you'll see a bit clearer glyph), but shouldn't be deformed too much.
================================================================ <?xml version="1.0"?> <!DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM "/etc/fonts/fonts.dtd"> <fontconfig> <match target="font"> <test name="family"> <string>IPAexGothic</string> <string>IPAexMincho</string> <string>IPAMincho</string> <string>IPAGothic</string> <string>IPAPMincho</string> <string>IPAPGothic</string> </test> <edit name="hintstyle"> <const>hintslight</const> </edit> </match> </fontconfig> ================================================================
Well, setting "hintslight" worked *almost* well on my openSUSE 11.3 desktop. But on OOo Writer, IPAxeMincho didn't look good, and setting "hintnone" solved the problem. By the way, when I changed the setting for fonts via "KDE Settings", ~/.fonts.conf was automatically generated. I'm afraid this may cause confusion, if the assumed solution for this problem would be adding extra settings to files under /etc/fonts directory. # As far as I understand, settings described in "~/.*" file will always # overwrite the system global settings. Am I worrying over nothing ? Best, -- _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto - openSUSE Member - Japan _/_/ _/_/ Marketing/Weekly News/openFATE Screening Team _/_/ _/_/ mail: helios_reds_at_gmx.net / irc: HeliosReds _/_/ _/_/ http://blog.zaq.ne.jp/opensuse/ _/_/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-m17n+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-m17n+help@opensuse.org
At Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:22:51 +0900, Satoru Matsumoto wrote:
Try to put the following instead of the above to ~/.fonts.conf. The hinting will be enabled a little bit (so you'll see a bit clearer glyph), but shouldn't be deformed too much.
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Well, setting "hintslight" worked *almost* well on my openSUSE 11.3 desktop. But on OOo Writer, IPAxeMincho didn't look good, and setting "hintnone" solved the problem.
OK, then let's use hintnone as default. If anyone wants hinting, it can be overwritten by the personal setup.
By the way, when I changed the setting for fonts via "KDE Settings", ~/.fonts.conf was automatically generated. I'm afraid this may cause confusion, if the assumed solution for this problem would be adding extra settings to files under /etc/fonts directory.
# As far as I understand, settings described in "~/.*" file will always # overwrite the system global settings.
Am I worrying over nothing ?
The font setup program (actually fontconfig does) should take the value decided from all over config files. A clever program won't put any garbage config to ~/.fonts.conf if it's same as default. Thus changing the default in /etc/fonts should work as is. Of course, if user already changed the default and wrote the corresponding item in ~/.fonts.conf, the user-setup will be still picked up. thanks, Takashi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-m17n+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-m17n+help@opensuse.org
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