It looks like Mike Fabian left SuSE. There is no posting by him any more. Along with his departure, the intenationalization project within SuSE seems to be in virtual halt. Something that worked with SuSE-8,2 iclucing jpilot for Asian languages does not work any more with SuSE-9.0. Reflecting current statuts of Linux, you will see not many Japanese or Koreans are posting to this email list. Except me (I am a Korean), they are mostly foreigners who are forced to use those languages. It is a sad status of computing in Asia which rely on MS for everything about electronic transaction. Hugh .
He has taken holidays and will return soon. -----Original Message----- It looks like Mike Fabian left SuSE. There is no posting by him any more.
[Please excuse the top-post...I am responding using my mobile phone while waiting at the postoffice] I'm sorry to see mike fabian is not with the project anymore. Mike and crew really I understand the feeling. I am an English speaker, but need a full Japanese environment. Even though I cannot claim to be an expert, I'm interrested in teaming up with folks to try to solve internationalization problems. The problems that I go through (SuSE 8.2/9.0 japanese install), might have parrellels with what you go through with Korean. I force apps to English mode when things are desperate or dicy. Perhaps we need to come up with our own ways of testing and evaluating in a sort've pooled fashion? What do you think? FYI: I am sunning SuSE 8.2 on physical and VMware based systems as well as a SuSE 9.0 system in VMware -- all Japanese. On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 10:41pm, hugh wrote:
It looks like Mike Fabian left SuSE. There is no posting by him any more. Along with his departure, the intenationalization project within SuSE seems to be in virtual halt.
Something that worked with SuSE-8,2 iclucing jpilot for Asian languages does not work any more with SuSE-9.0.
Reflecting current statuts of Linux, you will see not many Japanese or Koreans are posting to this email list. Except me (I am a Korean), they are mostly foreigners who are forced to use those languages.
It is a sad status of computing in Asia which rely on MS for everything about electronic transaction.
Hugh .
-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: m17n-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands, e-mail: m17n-help@suse.com --david email: tetsuoni3000@yahoo.co.jp web: http://www.miteyo.org
David Nettles wrote:
[Please excuse the top-post...I am responding using my mobile phone while waiting at the postoffice]
I'm sorry to see mike fabian is not with the project anymore. Mike and crew really
I understand the feeling. I am an English speaker, but need a full Japanese environment.
Even though I cannot claim to be an expert, I'm interrested in teaming up with folks to try to solve internationalization problems.
The problems that I go through (SuSE 8.2/9.0 japanese install), might have parrellels with what you go through with Korean. I force apps to English mode when things are desperate or dicy.
Perhaps we need to come up with our own ways of testing and evaluating in a sort've pooled fashion? What do you think?
FYI: I am sunning SuSE 8.2 on physical and VMware based systems as well as a SuSE 9.0 system in VMware -- all Japanese.
--david email: tetsuoni3000@yahoo.co.jp web: http://www.miteyo.org
I am sorry. I basically gave up on 9.0. My understanding on m17n is so limited that I cannot affort to spend time on it. Unless I can find any substitute for jpilot and kde-pilot, or unless anyone successfully recompile jpilot or kde-pilot. Evolution still does not work for Asian languages. I am not going to upgrade my desktop to 9.0. I found that SuSE-9.0 does not seem to offer any new things. Still gtk1 (gtk2 does not seem to work properly for me). Still Gnome-2.2. It still does not allow me to compile linux-2.6.0-test kernels. My favorite window manager AfterStep is gone. maybe some more.... It just did not make sense for me. Well, I cannot make my laptop go back to 8.2. Forget it. Regards, Hugh
Hi, I have been lurking this list to follow the developments on localisation (l10n) of GNOME. On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 00:31, hugh wrote:
David Nettles wrote:
I'm sorry to see mike fabian is not with the project anymore. Mike and crew really
As someone has pointed out already Mike is away. I had an auto response when I made a query. He is back on the 16th or thereabouts. [...]
I found that SuSE-9.0 does not seem to offer any new things.
Still gtk1 (gtk2 does not seem to work properly for me).
Are you sure? I have a copy of SuSE 8.2 and it has GTK-2
ls /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/ 2.2.0 modules
Some packages like GNUCash still require GTK 1.4. So you probably have twoversions of GTK libs on your hard disk (or in one of the CDs).
Still Gnome-2.2.
Could you clarify that SuSE 9.0 has not got GNOME-2.4. I was going to buy it mainly to check out the support for the l10n in GNOME -2.4!
I cannot make my laptop go back to 8.2.
Well, I tried to save money by using one of the *unofficial* SuSE package repositories linked from the SuSE FAQ on SourceForge. It broke my system so bad I do not have YaST now :-). Lost inj the middle somewhere. FYI: Novell who bought SuSE the other day already have bought out Ximian, the GNOME based company. So I would imagine the chances are GNOME on SuSE will outgrow KDE. All the best Ramanan
At Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:31:56 +0900, hugh wrote:
Still gtk1 (gtk2 does not seem to work properly for me).
why do we need to drop? quite many apps use it. also, gtk2 works for me, at least in japanese. (the IM and font handling are even better than qt.)
Still Gnome-2.2.
yep, it's a bit older than the status of KDE. as you know, suse tends to concentrate on KDE rather than GNOME. (but who know the future, like what Miguell says... ;)
It still does not allow me to compile linux-2.6.0-test kernels.
hmm, there is even a 2.6.0-test kernel package on 9.0 (for evaluation use). so, obviously not the fault of suse 9.0 compiler and tool chains. i've been using 2.6.0 kernel with suse 9.0 system for a long time, btw.
My favorite window manager AfterStep is gone. maybe some more....
it's a pity. there is always limitation of human resources.
and, unfortuantely, maintaining old packages cost quite much of time.
note that i'm not offending at all in the above, but i'd like just to
correct the wrong rumor.
ciao,
--
Takashi Iwai
Specifically, he is (or was) in Japan if I'm not mistaken. He was apparantly at a nomikai with some people on the suse_linux_ja (Japanese) mail list.... although I found it funny he posted through a Japanese users mail address. I hear you on the Japanese environment. I need bilingual machines... and all of them are for the most part, but there's some quirks here and there. Paul
participants (6)
-
David Nettles -
hugh -
Michael Engel -
Paul England -
Ramanan Selvaratnam -
Takashi Iwai