[opensuse-kernel] Kernel:/stable/* repos
What happened to http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/openSUSE_11.2 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/openSUSE_11.3 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/openSUSE_11.4 The rpm's are gone ? -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+help@opensuse.org
Dne 6.5.2011 18:46, Brian K. White napsal(a):
What happened to
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/openSUSE_11.2 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/openSUSE_11.3 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/openSUSE_11.4
The rpm's are gone ?
Hi, use the http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/standard/ repository, it works with any recent openSUSE version. Michal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+help@opensuse.org
On 5/8/2011 10:18 AM, Michal Marek wrote:
Dne 6.5.2011 18:46, Brian K. White napsal(a):
What happened to
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/openSUSE_11.2 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/openSUSE_11.3 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/openSUSE_11.4
The rpm's are gone ?
Hi,
use the http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/standard/ repository, it works with any recent openSUSE version.
Michal
That's the theory as I understand but it doesn't actually work. If I try to zypper dup an 11.2 box that was using the 11.2 link above, but now has the new standard repo, it want to downgrade from 2.6.34 to 2.6.31. I'm still testing for Jiri Slaby to eventually get it to be true but I say this is a bad scheme that is fundamentally wrong in comparison to the separate repos. This directly proves why the original repo's were necessary. (well, better and more sensible anyways) The OBS performs all these basic compatibility checks itself and if there were a dependency problem or other distro-specific spec problem, you'd get a failed build for a given target. You wouldn't need a user to try it and report that it fails. And, even when that happened, the last working kernel stays there for download until a newer one that actually passes rpmlint replaces it. If, as the kernel progresses, somewhere along the line it becomes impossible to support the next new kernel on the oldest still-supported distro, with the separate repos all that happens is the kernel in that repo stops getting newer, but the last working one stays there indefinitely. Instead of what we have now, an rpm that a given distribution can't or won't install because of new dependencies that aren't met, or possibly even meetable on the older distro, and unlike the separate repo's, the last kernel that DID work is no longer around so you get suddenly busted all the way back to whatever is in the regular updates repo. JRS said he doesn't have an 11.2 box to test with which is why the new repo isn't working for 11.2. The OBS was the test box but now isn't. This will probably keep breaking since every new change might break it, and the way it is now, you'll get a success from the OBS as long as it works for 11.4 or factory or whatever the build target is for the current standard repo, and only know that it's broken when someone actually tries to install on a real box, happens to even notice that zypper refused to upgrade any further than the regular updates repo, figures out why, and bothers to report back to the package or project maintainer. The worse part for me though is not the not-upgrading, but the sudden and undesired _downgrading_. The separate repo's protected against downgrading in a way that the new repo can not. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+help@opensuse.org
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/openSUSE_11.2
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/standard/
If I try to zypper dup an 11.2 box that was using the 11.2 link above, but now has the new standard repo, it want to downgrade from 2.6.34 to 2.6.31.
Correction, it's even worse. 2.6.36 down to 2.6.31. I just came across a 11.2 box that currently has kernel-default 2.6.36.2-4.1 installed from Kernel:/stable/openSUSE_11.2 After editing that repo to Kernel:/stable/standard, that box wnats to downgrade to 2.6.31.14-0.8.1 from the regular 11.2/Updates repo. "The following packages are going to be downgraded: kernel-default kernel-firmware kernel-pae preload preload-kmp-default" I see that the stable/11.2 repo specifically, only that one, is enabled again but since the preload package has failed my box still can't install any of those kernels due to dependencies. My guess is he's just testing trying to work this out so I'll just leave it alone and wait for a bit. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+help@opensuse.org
Dne 9.5.2011 20:56, Brian K. White napsal(a):
On 5/8/2011 10:18 AM, Michal Marek wrote:
Dne 6.5.2011 18:46, Brian K. White napsal(a):
What happened to
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/openSUSE_11.2 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/openSUSE_11.3 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/openSUSE_11.4
The rpm's are gone ?
Hi,
use the http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/standard/ repository, it works with any recent openSUSE version.
Michal
That's the theory as I understand but it doesn't actually work.
If I try to zypper dup an 11.2 box that was using the 11.2 link above, but now has the new standard repo, it want to downgrade from 2.6.34 to 2.6.31.
I'm still testing for Jiri Slaby to eventually get it to be true but I say this is a bad scheme that is fundamentally wrong in comparison to the separate repos. This directly proves why the original repo's were necessary. (well, better and more sensible anyways)
The OBS performs all these basic compatibility checks itself and if [snip]
The stable branch builds fine against openSUSE:11.2, so this argument is moot. Please provide more details (e.g. a solver testcase) so that we are able to find out why it doesn't work for you. I don't have a 11.2 running to try it myself. Michal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+help@opensuse.org
On 5/9/2011 3:58 PM, Michal Marek wrote:
Dne 9.5.2011 20:56, Brian K. White napsal(a):
On 5/8/2011 10:18 AM, Michal Marek wrote:
Dne 6.5.2011 18:46, Brian K. White napsal(a):
What happened to
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/openSUSE_11.2 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/openSUSE_11.3 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/openSUSE_11.4
The rpm's are gone ?
Hi,
use the http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/standard/ repository, it works with any recent openSUSE version.
Michal
That's the theory as I understand but it doesn't actually work.
If I try to zypper dup an 11.2 box that was using the 11.2 link above, but now has the new standard repo, it want to downgrade from 2.6.34 to 2.6.31.
I'm still testing for Jiri Slaby to eventually get it to be true but I say this is a bad scheme that is fundamentally wrong in comparison to the separate repos. This directly proves why the original repo's were necessary. (well, better and more sensible anyways)
The OBS performs all these basic compatibility checks itself and if [snip]
The stable branch builds fine against openSUSE:11.2, so this argument is moot. Please provide more details (e.g. a solver testcase) so that we are able to find out why it doesn't work for you. I don't have a 11.2 running to try it myself.
Michal
There are several, but when an rpm fails to install, it only shows you the first problem it hits, so, at the moment, with an 11.2 box using the new stable/standard repo: nothing provides mkinitrd >= 2.6.0 needed by kernel-default-2.6.38.5-1.1.i586 What do you want from the solver testcase? A tar of the output dir? -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+help@opensuse.org
On 10.5.2011 03:43, Brian K. White wrote:
Dne 9.5.2011 20:56, Brian K. White napsal(a):
On 5/8/2011 10:18 AM, Michal Marek wrote:
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/standard/ repository, it works with any recent openSUSE version.
That's the theory as I understand but it doesn't actually work.
If I try to zypper dup an 11.2 box that was using the 11.2 link above, but now has the new standard repo, it want to downgrade from 2.6.34 to 2.6.31. [...] There are several, but when an rpm fails to install, it only shows you
On 5/9/2011 3:58 PM, Michal Marek wrote: the first problem it hits, so, at the moment, with an 11.2 box using the new stable/standard repo:
nothing provides mkinitrd>= 2.6.0 needed by kernel-default-2.6.38.5-1.1.i586
So we need to add mkinitrd to Kernel:stable. Jiri, if that is OK with you, please accept submit request 69948.
What do you want from the solver testcase? A tar of the output dir?
I don't need it, the above information is sufficient. Michal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+help@opensuse.org
On 05/10/2011 10:04 AM, Michal Marek wrote:
On 10.5.2011 03:43, Brian K. White wrote:
Dne 9.5.2011 20:56, Brian K. White napsal(a):
On 5/8/2011 10:18 AM, Michal Marek wrote:
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/standard/ repository, it works with any recent openSUSE version.
That's the theory as I understand but it doesn't actually work.
If I try to zypper dup an 11.2 box that was using the 11.2 link above, but now has the new standard repo, it want to downgrade from 2.6.34 to 2.6.31. [...] There are several, but when an rpm fails to install, it only shows you
On 5/9/2011 3:58 PM, Michal Marek wrote: the first problem it hits, so, at the moment, with an 11.2 box using the new stable/standard repo:
nothing provides mkinitrd>= 2.6.0 needed by kernel-default-2.6.38.5-1.1.i586
So we need to add mkinitrd to Kernel:stable. Jiri, if that is OK with you, please accept submit request 69948.
Hi, no, it doesn't work. Coincidently I tried adding mkinitrd yesterday. When built, it needs newer /sbin/init. So there is an exception for 11.2, it builds on its own and gets released as before in: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/openSUSE_11.2/ Newer distros should use "standard". thanks, -- js suse labs -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+help@opensuse.org
On 10.5.2011 10:07, Jiri Slaby wrote:
On 05/10/2011 10:04 AM, Michal Marek wrote:
On 10.5.2011 03:43, Brian K. White wrote:
Dne 9.5.2011 20:56, Brian K. White napsal(a):
On 5/8/2011 10:18 AM, Michal Marek wrote:
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/standard/ repository, it works with any recent openSUSE version.
That's the theory as I understand but it doesn't actually work.
If I try to zypper dup an 11.2 box that was using the 11.2 link above, but now has the new standard repo, it want to downgrade from 2.6.34 to 2.6.31. [...] There are several, but when an rpm fails to install, it only shows you
On 5/9/2011 3:58 PM, Michal Marek wrote: the first problem it hits, so, at the moment, with an 11.2 box using the new stable/standard repo:
nothing provides mkinitrd>= 2.6.0 needed by kernel-default-2.6.38.5-1.1.i586
So we need to add mkinitrd to Kernel:stable. Jiri, if that is OK with you, please accept submit request 69948.
Hi, no, it doesn't work. Coincidently I tried adding mkinitrd yesterday. When built, it needs newer /sbin/init.
Ah, I see. Actually, userspace binary packages are not expected to work on older releases anyway,
So there is an exception for 11.2, it builds on its own and gets released as before in: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/openSUSE_11.2/
Newer distros should use "standard".
... so this seems like the only solution. And I'll remember to push back harder next time when someone asks to add new dependencies to the kernel packages ;). Michal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+help@opensuse.org
On 5/10/2011 4:07 AM, Jiri Slaby wrote:
On 05/10/2011 10:04 AM, Michal Marek wrote:
On 10.5.2011 03:43, Brian K. White wrote:
Dne 9.5.2011 20:56, Brian K. White napsal(a):
On 5/8/2011 10:18 AM, Michal Marek wrote:
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/standard/ repository, it works with any recent openSUSE version.
That's the theory as I understand but it doesn't actually work.
If I try to zypper dup an 11.2 box that was using the 11.2 link above, but now has the new standard repo, it want to downgrade from 2.6.34 to 2.6.31. [...] There are several, but when an rpm fails to install, it only shows you
On 5/9/2011 3:58 PM, Michal Marek wrote: the first problem it hits, so, at the moment, with an 11.2 box using the new stable/standard repo:
nothing provides mkinitrd>= 2.6.0 needed by kernel-default-2.6.38.5-1.1.i586
So we need to add mkinitrd to Kernel:stable. Jiri, if that is OK with you, please accept submit request 69948.
Hi, no, it doesn't work. Coincidently I tried adding mkinitrd yesterday. When built, it needs newer /sbin/init.
So there is an exception for 11.2, it builds on its own and gets released as before in: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/stable/openSUSE_11.2/
Newer distros should use "standard".
I noticed that 11.2 repo yesterday and tried it, and there were other problems with that based around the preload and kernel-kmp-preload packages which ended up preventing regular kernel-default from installing, or anything else that must have the same version number. which causes a few different problems. I didn't say anything yet because no one said that repo was actually intended for use yet, and, one thing at a time you know. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+help@opensuse.org
On 05/10/2011 06:23 PM, Brian K. White wrote:
I noticed that 11.2 repo yesterday and tried it, and there were other problems with that based around the preload and kernel-kmp-preload packages which ended up preventing regular kernel-default from installing, or anything else that must have the same version number. which causes a few different problems. I didn't say anything yet because no one said that repo was actually intended for use yet, and, one thing at a time you know.
I fixed this in the morning so everything should be OK by now, right? regards, -- js suse labs -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+help@opensuse.org
On 5/10/2011 1:34 PM, Jiri Slaby wrote:
On 05/10/2011 06:23 PM, Brian K. White wrote:
I noticed that 11.2 repo yesterday and tried it, and there were other problems with that based around the preload and kernel-kmp-preload packages which ended up preventing regular kernel-default from installing, or anything else that must have the same version number. which causes a few different problems. I didn't say anything yet because no one said that repo was actually intended for use yet, and, one thing at a time you know.
I fixed this in the morning so everything should be OK by now, right?
regards,
It wants to downgrade kernel-firmware Everything else looks ok. Actually it looks like it's just a change in the package version string formatting that makes it say "downgrade". │ │Name │ │Version │Repository │ │ │kernel-firmware│ │20090821-4.1│openSUSE_11.2-FTP│ │ │kernel-firmware│ x │2.6.38-1.1 │kotd_1 │ │ i │kernel-firmware│ │20101214-1.1│@System │ I'm guessing this is fine and that there is no problem. I can't really try it until later tonight. On a couple other 11.2 boxes there was no issue at all at install-time, although when trying to reboot into that kernel it failed to bring up the software raid array. This was repeated for all 8 sata drives: [ 9.880223] ata1.00: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x40) [ 9.886407] ata1: limiting SATA link speed to 1.5 Gbps [ 9.891545] ata1.00: limiting speed to UDMA7:PIO5 .[ 10.400218] ata1.00: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x40) [ 10.406397] ata1.00: disabled [ 10.912244] scsi_alloc_sdev: Allocation failure during SCSI scanning, some SCSI devices might not be configured Which ends in: ... .[ 23.736218] ata8.00: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x40) [ 24.244224] ata8.00: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x40) [ 24.250402] ata8: limiting SATA link speed to 1.5 Gbps [ 24.255538] ata8.00: limiting speed to UDMA7:PIO5 .[ 24.764217] ata8.00: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x40) [ 24.770403] ata8.00: disabled [ 25.276246] scsi_alloc_sdev: Allocation failure during SCSI scanning, some SCSI devices might not be configured ..........Could not find /dev/md0. Want me to fall back to /dev/md0? (Y/n) Waiting for device /dev/md0 to appear: ..............................not found -- exiting to /bin/sh sh: cannot set terminal process group (-1): Inappropriate ioctl for device sh: no job control in this shell $ ls -lR /dev/disk ls: cannot access /dev/disk: No such file or directory $ ls /dev/sd* ls: cannot access /dev/sd*: No such file or directory I don't yet know if this is really a problem with the new kernel or mkinitrd packages or some problem of my own. Now that it fails to boot it will take me some time to recover since the box is remote and I'm doing everything via serial console and pxe booting the installer from a neighboring machine for recovery situations like this. 11.3 using the /standard repo looks ok. It installs 2.6.38.5-1.1 from that repo with no problems (AND boots/runs fine!) -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+help@opensuse.org
On 05/10/2011 10:38 PM, Brian K. White wrote:
Actually it looks like it's just a change in the package version string formatting that makes it say "downgrade".
│ │Name │ │Version │Repository │ │ │kernel-firmware│ │20090821-4.1│openSUSE_11.2-FTP│ │ │kernel-firmware│ x │2.6.38-1.1 │kotd_1 │ │ i │kernel-firmware│ │20101214-1.1│@System │
I'm guessing this is fine and that there is no problem.
Yeah, that's expected...
This was repeated for all 8 sata drives:
[ 9.880223] ata1.00: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x40) [ 9.886407] ata1: limiting SATA link speed to 1.5 Gbps [ 9.891545] ata1.00: limiting speed to UDMA7:PIO5 .[ 10.400218] ata1.00: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x40) [ 10.406397] ata1.00: disabled [ 10.912244] scsi_alloc_sdev: Allocation failure during SCSI scanning, some SCSI devices might not be configured
So with 11.2 this is OK? What about 2.6.32 from SLE11SP1, 2.6.34 from 11.3, 2.6.37 from 11.4 and 2.6.39-rc from head? http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/SLE11-SP1/SUSE_SLE-11_SP1/ http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/openSUSE-11.3/openSUSE_11.... http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/openSUSE-11.4/openSUSE_11.... http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/HEAD/openSUSE_11.2/ Installed with rpm -ivh kernel-default-2.6.*.rpm so that you can easily switch between kernels in grub. (11.4 enforced by --nodeps) Anyway, you should file a bug with this info, really.
11.3 using the /standard repo looks ok. It installs 2.6.38.5-1.1 from that repo with no problems (AND boots/runs fine!)
Is this same HW? thanks, -- js suse labs -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+help@opensuse.org
On 05/10/2011 10:38 PM, Brian K. White wrote:
Actually it looks like it's just a change in the package version string formatting that makes it say "downgrade".
│ │Name │ │Version │Repository │ │ │kernel-firmware│ │20090821-4.1│openSUSE_11.2-FTP│ │ │kernel-firmware│ x │2.6.38-1.1 │kotd_1 │ │ i │kernel-firmware│ │20101214-1.1│@System │
I'm guessing this is fine and that there is no problem.
Yeah, that's expected...
This was repeated for all 8 sata drives:
[ 9.880223] ata1.00: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x40) [ 9.886407] ata1: limiting SATA link speed to 1.5 Gbps [ 9.891545] ata1.00: limiting speed to UDMA7:PIO5 .[ 10.400218] ata1.00: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x40) [ 10.406397] ata1.00: disabled [ 10.912244] scsi_alloc_sdev: Allocation failure during SCSI scanning, some SCSI devices might not be configured
So with 11.2 this is OK? What do you mean? from 11.2 installer, oss repo, and updates repo and
On 5/10/2011 5:29 PM, Jiri Slaby wrote: the previous 11.2 kotd stable repo all were fine. _this_ is not fine. What about 2.6.32 from SLE11SP1, 2.6.34 from
11.3, 2.6.37 from 11.4 and 2.6.39-rc from head?
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/SLE11-SP1/SUSE_SLE-11_SP1/ http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/openSUSE-11.3/openSUSE_11.... http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/openSUSE-11.4/openSUSE_11.... http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/HEAD/openSUSE_11.2/
Installed with rpm -ivh kernel-default-2.6.*.rpm so that you can easily switch between kernels in grub. (11.4 enforced by --nodeps)
I will try these in addition to merely reverting to 11.2 updates.
Anyway, you should file a bug with this info, really.
11.3 using the /standard repo looks ok. It installs 2.6.38.5-1.1 from that repo with no problems (AND boots/runs fine!)
Is this same HW?
Different hardware. I'll try the other kernels above besides simply reverting to the normal 11.2 updates kernel. That will take a little while. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kernel+help@opensuse.org
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