[opensuse-kde] State of KDE 4.0.1. in factory - bug reports or not?
For a short time I had the impression that KDE 4.0.1 would slowly get usably and lose that awkward "beta" feeling. However, the last few days the buggy behaviour is mounting. And I don't really know whether this is related to KDE, the openSUSE factory as a whole, or my installation. So I don't know whether and where to file bug reports. I tried both the standard Factory packages and the RPMs from KDE-Stable repo (BTW - what is the exact difference between these two KDE package sources? The errors are the same). A short list of the bugs of my KDE4 sessions, as I currently remember them: 1. Konqueror4: Has simply been unable to render any web for me page for weeks. Sometimes I get a simple web page, e.g. Google, displayed. But 99,9% Konqui4 times out with an "unknown error". Konqueror/KDE3 and Firefox work fine. 2. Desktop icons (from my, thanks to the user orientation of som KDE developpers, seemingls "deprecated" ~/Desktop-drawer) sometimes "multiply" over and over again with every new start (hundreds of entries in plasmarc). Mouse-over-effects of the desktop icons don't fade out once the mouse is no longer over them. 3. keditbookmarks doesn't display bookmarks, only the bookmark drawers. 4. Switching to a new user session results in the session of the previous user being locked - and it cannot be unlocked, the password is no longer recognized. 5. Konsole and Dolphin cannot be started at all (crash window) - be it by start menu, tray icon or keyboard shortcut. Strange enough, most of the time I can start these apps e.g. from a KDE3-Konsole window.... 6. Plasma crashes pretty often. Sometimes ALT+F2 still works and I can restart "plasma", sometimes not. 7. Very slow. On an athon X2 4400+ and a Geforce 6200, everything takes just a bit too long, it simply feels sluggish. E.g. the "show desktop" plasmoid in the panel takes a few seconds until it shows the desktop. I don't even try to activate desktop effects (though the proprietary Nvidia driver should have all the necessary features activated automatically), as they render the desktop unusable. 8. Both KDE3 and KDE4 seem to feel responsible for removable media in a KDE4 session. 9. Sometimes ~/.kde4 is best removed if KDE4 has messed itself completely up... That's as far as I remember currently, there are many more small things. Question: Bugs, expected behaviour, configuration problem of my setup? Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Alex schreef: | For a short time I had the impression that KDE 4.0.1 would slowly get usably | and lose that awkward "beta" feeling. However, the last few days the buggy | behaviour is mounting. | And I don't really know whether this is related to KDE, the openSUSE factory | as a whole, or my installation. So I don't know whether and where to file bug | reports. | | I tried both the standard Factory packages and the RPMs from KDE-Stable repo | (BTW - what is the exact difference between these two KDE package sources? | The errors are the same). | | A short list of the bugs of my KDE4 sessions, as I currently remember them: | | 1. Konqueror4: Has simply been unable to render any web for me page for weeks. | Sometimes I get a simple web page, e.g. Google, displayed. But 99,9% Konqui4 | times out with an "unknown error". Konqueror/KDE3 and Firefox work fine. | | 2. Desktop icons (from my, thanks to the user orientation of som KDE | developpers, seemingls "deprecated" ~/Desktop-drawer) sometimes "multiply" | over and over again with every new start (hundreds of entries in plasmarc). | Mouse-over-effects of the desktop icons don't fade out once the mouse is no | longer over them. | | 3. keditbookmarks doesn't display bookmarks, only the bookmark drawers. | | 4. Switching to a new user session results in the session of the previous user | being locked - and it cannot be unlocked, the password is no longer | recognized. This i have noticed also, but only in 4.0.1, on 11.0A2 KDE CD-install | | 5. Konsole and Dolphin cannot be started at all (crash window) - be it by | start menu, tray icon or keyboard shortcut. Strange enough, most of the time | I can start these apps e.g. from a KDE3-Konsole window.... | | 6. Plasma crashes pretty often. Sometimes ALT+F2 still works and I can | restart "plasma", sometimes not. In 10.3 it crashes more than in 11.0. | | 7. Very slow. On an athlon X2 4400+ and a Geforce 6200, everything takes just a | bit too long, it simply feels sluggish. E.g. the "show desktop" plasmoid in | the panel takes a few seconds until it shows the desktop. I don't even try to | activate desktop effects (though the proprietary Nvidia driver should have | all the necessary features activated automatically), as they render the | desktop unusable. Desktop effects in 11, made my desktop totaly black, completely unusable, like a blind man ctrl+alt+del, enter, and hope it is on shut down instead close session. It is only slow when used within 10.3 as i noticed also, in 11.0 it is not. | | 8. Both KDE3 and KDE4 seem to feel responsible for removable media in a KDE4 | session. | | 9. Sometimes ~/.kde4 is best removed if KDE4 has messed itself completely | up... I had to do this about 5 times until now... | | That's as far as I remember currently, there are many more small things. | | Question: Bugs, expected behaviour, configuration problem of my setup? Thanks! Most of them realy look like bugs to me.. - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. ~ OS: Linux 2.6.22.17-0.1-default x86_64 ~ Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@AMD64x2-sfn1 ~ Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) ~ KDE: 3.5.7 "release 72.6" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHszwDX5/X5X6LpDgRAkmXAJ4osSIyY5R14vAJUND03hIFEKYNIQCfSCUA 2jX73XbxeMYNN3gYnjwmD/o= =hkIK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, 13. Februar 2008 schrieb M9.:
Desktop effects in 11, made my desktop totaly black, completely unusable, like a blind man ctrl+alt+del, enter, and hope it is on shut down instead close session.
Next time you could try Ctrl-Alt-BkSp instead, it will kill only your X-Session instead shutdown the whole machine. And BTW: You have a really mad quoting. Your mail with quoting Alex' Mail is nearly unreadable here in KMail. regards, Jens --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jens Nixdorf schreef: | Am Mittwoch, 13. Februar 2008 schrieb M9.: | |> Desktop effects in 11, made my desktop totaly black, completely |> unusable, like a blind man ctrl+alt+del, enter, and hope it is on shut |> down instead close session. | | Next time you could try Ctrl-Alt-BkSp instead, it will kill only your | X-Session instead shutdown the whole machine. I know, but than i can not get in, because my password does not work... | | And BTW: You have a really mad quoting. Your mail with quoting Alex' Mail | is nearly unreadable here in KMail. | | regards, Jens I just use thunderbird 2.00.9, but will set to utf8, maybe that is better? | | - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. ~ OS: Linux 2.6.22.17-0.1-default x86_64 ~ Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@AMD64x2-sfn1 ~ Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) ~ KDE: 3.5.7 "release 72.6" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHtAIEX5/X5X6LpDgRAiMAAKC0m9z0armF35+oWpuwrdCz6f+SyQCffh0R knwomdPsFF17GD+6ZaFgZIY= =p+35 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 14. Februar 2008 schrieb M9.:
Jens Nixdorf schreef: | Am Mittwoch, 13. Februar 2008 schrieb M9.: |> Desktop effects in 11, made my desktop totaly black, completely |> unusable, like a blind man ctrl+alt+del, enter, and hope it is on |> shut down instead close session. | | Next time you could try Ctrl-Alt-BkSp instead, it will kill only | your X-Session instead shutdown the whole machine.
I know, but than i can not get in, because my password does not work...
Huh? How you get into your account? Auto-Login? If yes: Did you know your root-Password? If yes, then you should give you a new User-Password: Switch to a console (or open a terminal-window in KDE), switch to root with su, then change the User-Password (assuming your Username is M9) with following command: passwd M9 After this you can login to your account and as first you have to change your auto-login-entry to the new password.
| And BTW: You have a really mad quoting. Your mail with quoting Alex' | Mail is nearly unreadable here in KMail. | | regards, Jens
I just use thunderbird 2.00.9, but will set to utf8, maybe that is better?
Character-encoding has nothing to do with quoting, so it wont help. This time it looks better anyway, except the quotingmarks, but this is probably a matter of taste. Maybe it was a bad combination of Alex' Mail and Thunderbirds Quoting ;) regards, Jens --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jens Nixdorf schreef: | Am Donnerstag, 14. Februar 2008 schrieb M9.: |> Jens Nixdorf schreef: |> | Am Mittwoch, 13. Februar 2008 schrieb M9.: |> |> Desktop effects in 11, made my desktop totaly black, completely |> |> unusable, like a blind man ctrl+alt+del, enter, and hope it is on |> |> shut down instead close session. |> | |> | Next time you could try Ctrl-Alt-BkSp instead, it will kill only |> | your X-Session instead shutdown the whole machine. |> |> I know, but than i can not get in, because my password does not |> work... | | Huh? How you get into your account? Auto-Login? If yes: Did you know your | root-Password? If yes, then you should give you a new User-Password: | Switch to a console (or open a terminal-window in KDE), switch to root | with su, then change the User-Password (assuming your Username is M9) | with following command: | | passwd M9 | | After this you can login to your account and as first you have to change | your auto-login-entry to the new password. I was talking of the 11.0 A2 release, and according to jiri srain,: | upgrade went smoothly. The fun came afterwards | - all users from /etc/passwd were lost and this was also the cause, as i expect, that i did not get any conf. nor desktop in 10.3 afterwards... (i was testing if it was possible to use the very same /home (not a clone) for two distro's, which i might test better with two finals..) |> | And BTW: You have a really mad quoting. Your mail with quoting Alex' |> | Mail is nearly unreadable here in KMail. |> | |> | regards, Jens |> |> I just use thunderbird 2.00.9, but will set to utf8, maybe that is |> better? | | Character-encoding has nothing to do with quoting, so it wont help. This | time it looks better anyway, except the quotingmarks, but this is | probably a matter of taste. Maybe it was a bad combination of Alex' Mail | and Thunderbirds Quoting ;) | | regards, Jens Yes something must have been changed somewhere, i don't know. Here it looks like this now: |> |> I do not know how to change it back to normal again. do you? - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. ~ OS: Linux 2.6.22.17-0.1-default x86_64 ~ Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@AMD64x2-sfn1 ~ Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) ~ KDE: 3.5.7 "release 72.6" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHtCktX5/X5X6LpDgRAnZdAKCdg0XtXED5bo2TF9vgWrAquXKhWgCbBXhi a78AUxWa7CPcz1YKl0ZX5HU= =pQnU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 13 February 2008, Alex wrote:
For a short time I had the impression that KDE 4.0.1 would slowly get usably and lose that awkward "beta" feeling. However, the last few days the buggy behaviour is mounting.
most likely because you updated to the libqt4 4.4 pre-beta (4.3.90 or 4.3.91 of libqt4)? try export QT_USE_NATIVE_WINDOWS=1 before starting KDE, that should fix most of the issues. the rest should of course be filed as bugreports. we do want to get a stable desktop done relatively soon. Greetings, Dirk -- RPMLINT information under http://en.opensuse.org/Packaging/RpmLint --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, 13. Februar 2008 schrieb Alex:
9. Sometimes ~/.kde4 is best removed if KDE4 has messed itself completely up...
Yes, i never deleted a hidden directory as often as now ;) Most of the time because after a new start there is no more taskbar and kicker (i mean its new replacement, forgot the name right now). Beside these bugs, is there anybody else which is annoyed by conflicts between KDE-Packages? I'm using smart to update my machine, and always when i want to do this, i get at least conflicts between kde4-kmplayer and oxygen-icons, kde4-ligature and kde4-kmplayer, kdebase3(!) and kdm4 and so on. Mostly it is one icon or a wallpaper, which is leading to the conflicts. regards, Jens --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 14. Februar 2008 schrieb Jens Nixdorf:
Yes, i never deleted a hidden directory as often as now ;) Most of the time because after a new start there is no more taskbar and kicker (i mean its new replacement, forgot the name right now).
For me it has been "kicker" for years, and therefore I will keep it calling this way ;). Yes, a missing kicker is exactly what I have many times, too.
Beside these bugs, is there anybody else which is annoyed by conflicts between KDE-Packages? I'm using smart to update my machine, and always when i want to do this, i get at least conflicts between kde4-kmplayer and oxygen-icons, kde4-ligature and kde4-kmplayer, kdebase3(!) and kdm4 and so on. Mostly it is one icon or a wallpaper, which is leading to the conflicts.
I don't have all those conflicts. However, when using YaST2 for package management, the dependancies force you to install all kinds of weird stuff (lots of *-32bit-RPMS on my x64-system, ispell-dictionaries in the strangest languages and so on). I hope that you soon can switch off the annoying behaviour to install all "recommended" dependancies... Am Mittwoch, 13. Februar 2008 schrieb Dirk Mueller:
most likely because you updated to the libqt4 4.4 pre-beta (4.3.90 or 4.3.91 of libqt4)?
Yes, 4.3.90 is the version in Factory.
try export QT_USE_NATIVE_WINDOWS=1
How exactly, e.g. from runlevel 3 before doing a "init 5"?
the rest should of course be filed as bugreports. we do want to get a stable desktop done relatively soon.
OK, I'll do this. I just thought that problems like "core apps not starting" (dolphin, konsole) or "not working" (konqueror) would have been noticed already, if they weren't a specific problem of my personal installation ;) ... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
try export QT_USE_NATIVE_WINDOWS=1 How exactly, e.g. from runlevel 3 before doing a "init 5"?
OK, I tried it this way, but couldn't notice an improvement. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday, 14. February 2008 00:44:17 Jens Nixdorf wrote:
Beside these bugs, is there anybody else which is annoyed by conflicts between KDE-Packages? I'm using smart to update my machine, and always
There are no (persistent) package conflicts for the packages within Factory.
when i want to do this, i get at least conflicts between kde4-kmplayer and oxygen-icons, kde4-ligature and kde4-kmplayer, kdebase3(!) and kdm4
kde4-kmplayer and kde4-ligature do only exist in KDE4:UNSTABLE:Extra-Apps for which no conflict checking exists and they are random development snapshots. Bye, Steve --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 14 February 2008, Jens Nixdorf wrote:
Beside these bugs, is there anybody else which is annoyed by conflicts between KDE-Packages? I'm using smart to update my machine, and always when i want to do this, i get at least conflicts between kde4-kmplayer and oxygen-icons, kde4-ligature and kde4-kmplayer, kdebase3(!) and kdm4 and so on. Mostly it is one icon or a wallpaper, which is leading to the conflicts.
can you please be more specific about the file conflicts? then something can be dome about it. we do have scripts to check for conflicts, but perhaps there is a bug. Greetings, Dirk -- RPMLINT information under http://en.opensuse.org/Packaging/RpmLint --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 14. Februar 2008 schrieb Dirk Mueller:
can you please be more specific about the file conflicts? then something can be dome about it.
we do have scripts to check for conflicts, but perhaps there is a bug.
Not in factory but in 10.3, KDE unstable repositories. Today when i tried to make an update with smart i got the following lines: FEHLER!: file /usr/share/icons/oxygen/128x128/apps/kmplayer.png from install of oxygen-icon-theme-4.0.62-3.2 conflicts with file from package kde4-kmplayer-4.0.61.svn772622-1.4 FEHLER!: file /usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/apps/kmplayer.png from install of oxygen-icon-theme-4.0.62-3.2 conflicts with file from package kde4-kmplayer-4.0.61.svn772622-1.4 FEHLER!: file /usr/share/icons/oxygen/22x22/apps/kmplayer.png from install of oxygen-icon-theme-4.0.62-3.2 conflicts with file from package kde4-kmplayer-4.0.61.svn772622-1.4 FEHLER!: file /usr/share/icons/oxygen/32x32/apps/kmplayer.png from install of oxygen-icon-theme-4.0.62-3.2 conflicts with file from package kde4-kmplayer-4.0.61.svn772622-1.4 FEHLER!: file /usr/share/icons/oxygen/48x48/apps/kmplayer.png from install of oxygen-icon-theme-4.0.62-3.2 conflicts with file from package kde4-kmplayer-4.0.61.svn772622-1.4 FEHLER!: file /usr/share/icons/oxygen/64x64/apps/kmplayer.png from install of oxygen-icon-theme-4.0.62-3.2 conflicts with file from package kde4-kmplayer-4.0.61.svn772622-1.4 FEHLER!: file /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/48x48/apps/kviewshell.png from install of kdeartwork4-icons-4.0.62-3.3 conflicts with file from package kde4-ligature-4.0.61.svn772621-3.3 FEHLER!: file /usr/share/icons/oxygen/scalable/apps/kmplayer.svgz from install of oxygen-icon-theme-scalable-4.0.62-3.2 conflicts with file from package kde4-kmplayer-4.0.61.svn772622-1.4 FEHLER!: file /usr/share/wallpapers/default_blue.jpg.desktop from install of kde4-kdm-4.0.62-3.2 conflicts with file from package kdebase3-3.5.8-51.1 So i have always to install these packages by hand with rpm -Uvh --force ... regards, Jens --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday, 13. February 2008 19:35:13 Alex wrote:
I tried both the standard Factory packages and the RPMs from KDE-Stable repo (BTW - what is the exact difference between these two KDE package
We submit patches/new versions first to the build service project, fix bugs and spec files there and every few days commit everything then to Factory. Bye, Steve --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
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