On Monday 26 July 2010 04:18:41 am Sven Burmeister wrote:

Am Montag, 26. Juli 2010, 09:27:19 schrieb kanenas@hawaii.rr.com:

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ok, 11.3 is out and the typical new ver flack is somewhat clouding the suse sky,yet the problems do not seem to be widespread and most do seem to be operator and/or equipment induced. yea, i do have a spare 50gb in my primary hard drive and I could probably test out 11.3 without too much pain,BUT, before that happens, i would like to know what *specific* great thing 11.3 can provide over 64 bit 11.1, running on kde 3.5.and i am still curious about 4 things: 1. what is really new in 11.3? 2. what kde3 functionality is kde4 still missing? 3. is the 11.3 kde3 setup still 100% depenedent on qt3 and is that a major performance issue?

There is no KDE3 in the 11.3 release.

my understanding is that it can be installed if the basic install is text based. i heard that there are issues when both kde3 and kde4 are installed, but not when only one of the two is present.

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4. is there a way to remove any and all of the content indexers in the likes of nepomonk and strigi and still have a full fledged 64 bit 11.3? thanks in advance,

You can disable both.

I asked about *removal*. In another thread you said that nepo**** is part of kdebase4. "disabling" is bound to cause serious functionality problems in other apps or at some soon to come downstream point. also integration of non-removable indexers into the base package is of great concern to conspiracy theorists. yes i have read the bit about multiple pim copies in memory and other such things, but the argument is just not convincing, there are many much simpler and infinitely more efficient ways to accomplish that. To have to go thru every stored byte in the computer just so a few k of data is not duplicated in ram simply does not make sense.

I would suggest you use a virtual machine to test 11.3, most of your questions depend on personla preferences thus nobody will give you a definite answer.

Sven

thanks, i might try that. virtualbox from sun is working extremely well and i get a lot of laughs when i run in seamless mode and i "prove" to my friends that linux is so suprior to doze that it even runs doze apps in native mode:) even my EE graduate son got fooled for a second or two:) d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 26 July 2010, kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote: ----------snip-----------

2. what kde3 functionality is kde4 still missing?

4. is there a way to remove any and all of

For me the kde3 versions of Krename and Ktorrent are more appropriate. They can be installed either from the 11.3 repo or kde3 repos that are mentioned on the sdb website (can't remember which I used) without much trouble. If you like icons on your desktop then folderview works but the "lock Icons in place" function only applies to the user, the OS and plasma are free to do whatever they like:-( I mean to file a bug report about this soon. Plasmas Panel is still to clunky when adding icons/plasmoids, fortunately once you've done it you no longer need to think about it. Otherwise KDE (4.5) in openSUSE 11.3 is the first (in my view) usable kde4 version looking from the perspective of someone that held out with kde3 as long as possible. I really like being able to group windows as I often have dozens of applications open at the same time. Haven't seen much use for activities yet but I can tell that hard work is being done there, It seems to be an area where unpredictable behaviour is still king. the content indexers Nepomuk can be turned off (and in my opinion should be for the time being, although it is also making great strides), Kontact will complain if Akonadi is not running, I haven't tried it without akonadi. Hope this helps, as I said, as a happy KDE 3.5 user I have finally been able to use KDE4(.5) without gnashing my teeth any more :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 26 July 2010 21:41:10 Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2010-07-26 09:27, kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote:

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2. what kde3 functionality is kde4 still missing?

rekall, kbabel...

KBabel has been renamed, it's now called Lokalize and has seen many improvements. I don't know rekall, it doesn't seem to be part of KDE SC. You can run applications based on KDE3 libraries just fine in a Plasma environment though, so my educated guess would be that also rekall still just works (not that I see a package for it in the repos I've configured). -- sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

On 2010-07-27 12:45, Lubos Lunak wrote:

On Tuesday 27 of July 2010, Sebastian Kügler wrote:

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On Monday 26 July 2010 21:41:10 Carlos E. R. wrote:

Rekall is in the KDE3 repository (http://en.opensuse.org/KDE3), just like other KDE3-based packages. Please read the page carefully before adding the repository - although the packages generally work, the repository is in practice unmaintained and pretty much nobody cares about fixing bugs in KDE3 applications.

I know. Why hasn't it been ported to kde4, are there problems, do you know? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar))

* Lubos Lunak [07-27-10 10:23]:

Why hasn't what been ported to KDE4, Rekall? Most probably because it was done by a company that I don't know if it even still exists. The KDE3 version would still work if somebody got it to build on 11.3+.

from: http://www.thekompany.com/products/rekall/?PHPSESSID=ef8b94dcc69bf5f8eb2ec35... Licensing information Rekall is now dual licensed under the GPL, theKompany and the developers retain commercial rights to continue to use the code and provide for non-GPL versions to customers and companies that want it. Rekall will be supported via a community portal www.rekallrevealed.org. The codebase will be available as source tarballs, and CVS access will also be available for those who wish to stay on the (b)leeding edge. Feedback, bug fixes and contributions are actively sought. This is meant to be totally community driven and oriented. and from: http://www.rekallrevealed.org/kbExec.py Welcome to RekallRevealed.Org Rekall is a database front-end, somewhat in the style of MicroSoft Access(tm). However, Rekall is not itself a database, and does not include a database. By this we mean that data is stored somewhere else in an SQL server, and Rekall is fundementaly just a tool to extract, display and update that data (of course, it does lots more than that, it does forms and reports and scripting and .... you get the idea). It is database agnostic, and does not have any preferred database in the sense that Access(tm) uses the Jet. database engine (although the Windows version can use the Jet database engine via an ODBC driver). Rekall can do lots of the things that you would expect of a database front-end (or if it can't, let us know!). You can design and use forms and reports, you can construct database queries, and you can import and export data (actually, you can copy data, import is just copy file to table, and export is just copy table to file). You can also create reusable components which you can use in forms and reports, to reduce application development time. Rekall can be scripted using the the Python language. You can arrange that a script is executed when various events occur (for instance, when the user changes the value of a control). Scripts can be associated directly with the event, but you can also store scripts in script modules for more general use. And, of course, you have full access to all the modules that are available for Python. Plus, Rekall has an integrated Python debugger with syntax highlighting. RekallRevealed is run as a community website to support the GPL version of Rekall. Rekall is being included by some of the Linux distributions, and commercial components and support are available from TotalRekall and from theKompany. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

On 2010-07-27 17:13, Lubos Lunak wrote:

On Tuesday 27 of July 2010, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

t still doesn't change anything about the fact that Rekall is right now without a maintainer in a repository that is unmaintained and it currently doesn't even build.

Besides: "The latest stable Rekall tarball is rekall-2.4.3.tar.gz updated 24-Apr-06."

Ok, then the problem is that it has been abandoned upstream :-( That's too bad. The only approximate replacement I know of is oobase. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar))