Going from 3.04 to 3.11 in SuSE 8.1?
I'm running SuSE 8.1 PRO, and looking for some hand-holding in going from KDE 3.04 to 3.11. YOU doesn't provide that option, and I am leary about going the rpm route without some *detailed* instructions. Can someone point me in the right direction? Or, should I just forget about it until I upgrade to a new release, sometime in the (more distant) future? Regards, Matt Prastein
On Sunday 27 April 2003 18:04, S.Matthew Prastein wrote:
I'm running SuSE 8.1 PRO, and looking for some hand-holding in going from KDE 3.04 to 3.11. YOU doesn't provide that option, and I am leary about going the rpm route without some *detailed* instructions. Can someone point me in the right direction? Or, should I just forget about it until I upgrade to a new release, sometime in the (more distant) future? Regards, Matt Prastein =================
Matt, The best procedure to follow is Base-Development-/sbin/SuSEconfig, then apply your applications and /sbin/SuSEconfig again. I usually keep my base & development files separate, but you'll have fewer conflicts/dependencies if you install those together. Be aware though that you will probably have to rebuild or compile from the src.rpm, KDElibs and/or QT3 as the SuSE builds are defective. They will work, but you will be missing some things afterwards. Patrick -- --- KMail v1.5.9.1i --- SuSE Linux Pro v8.2 --- Registered Linux User #225206 On any other day, that might seem strange...
I made exactly that transition last week. After reading several threads here on the same subject I decided to give apt4rpm a try. (Cf. http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/). It didn't work as advertised... First of all, the limited number of sites offering apt repositories for suse don't have the bandwidth to serve an international audience. E.g. I get 200-300 kbytes/s from my nearest suse mirror but only a tenth of that from gwdg, the only apt mirror I could get an answer from. Nevertheless, I decided to try apt4rpm anyway. After installing it and configuring a component list (/etc/apt/sources.list, which contained only "kde" and "kde3-stable") I made an "apt-get update" (repeatedly until I resolved all problems with my rpm database which apt complained about) and shut down kdm. I tested the proposed actions with "apt-get -s upgrade", which told me serveral packages, among them kdebase3 (essential!) was "kept back", i.e. was not going to be upgraded automatically. Following prior recommendations on this list I then specifically requested installation of kdebase3 with "apt-get install kdebase3". apt-get got to work but failed horribly after rpm complained it was unable to remove some packages. This left me with an only partially upgraded system and repeated invokations of apt-get only produced more rpm errors. I resolved this by running "apt-get -s upgrade" to get a list of the packages apt would like to install, remove and upgrade if it could, then manually fetching them with wget (from my fast local mirror), and doing the work myself with rpm. Of course I then got the same errors from rpm which had caused apt to fail, but I could then resolve the conflicts by either removing, reinstalling or upgrading packages manually. I stumbled on some dependencies but eventually managed to install everything. The thing that saved me was, I believe, my assumption that apt knew what ought to be done, it just couldn't do it properly. So I kept a printout of the package list from "apt-get -s upgrade" and rpm:ed away until I had ticked them all off. It just took a few hours... After the upgrade, I have noticed absolutely no problems at all in my desktop or in any any KDE application I use. /Lennart måndagen den 28 april 2003 00.04 skrev S.Matthew Prastein:
I'm running SuSE 8.1 PRO, and looking for some hand-holding in going from KDE 3.04 to 3.11. YOU doesn't provide that option, and I am leary about going the rpm route without some *detailed* instructions. Can someone point me in the right direction? Or, should I just forget about it until I upgrade to a new release, sometime in the (more distant) future? Regards, Matt Prastein
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Op maandag 28 april 2003 11:41, schreef Lennart Börjeson:
I made exactly that transition last week. After reading several threads here on the same subject I decided to give apt4rpm a try. (Cf. http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/). It didn't work as advertised...
First of all, the limited number of sites offering apt repositories for suse don't have the bandwidth to serve an international audience. E.g. I get 200-300 kbytes/s from my nearest suse mirror but only a tenth of that from gwdg, the only apt mirror I could get an answer from.
Lennart, good job. You may have saved yourself a lot of time by using "dist-upgrade" instead of just "upgrade". dist-upgrade decides whether to remove or install new pkgs, while upgrade just won't do that. With "-o rpm::options::=RPM_ARG" you can transfer rpm arguments to rpm. In case of your kde upgrade you could have tested it with: apt-get -o rpm::options::=--test dist-upgrade This command sequence would have told you that some pkgs need to be installed with force (I think this is koffice isn't it?). Which can be tackled by: apt-get -o rpm::options::=--force dist-upgrade The remaining issue is of course the server availability. Hope this helps. -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
Thanks for the detailed advice. I had exactly the same experience on first try, but was not smart enough to work my way through. I'll give it a try. BTW, I found Synaptic (0.26) to be a trap for the unwary in this situation. I was hesitant to post my experiences in detail, for fear of being OT. since SuSE states that it does not support apt. ============== On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:41:11 +0200, you wrote:
I made exactly that transition last week. After reading several threads here on the same subject I decided to give apt4rpm a try. (Cf. http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/). It didn't work as advertised... <snip> I resolved this by running "apt-get -s upgrade" to get a list of the packages apt would like to install, remove and upgrade if it could, then manually fetching them with wget (from my fast local mirror), and doing the work myself with rpm. Of course I then got the same errors from rpm which had caused apt to fail, but I could then resolve the conflicts by either removing, reinstalling or upgrading packages manually. I stumbled on some dependencies but eventually managed to install everything. <snip> After the upgrade, I have noticed absolutely no problems at all in my desktop or in any any KDE application I use.
I'm running SuSE 8.1 PRO, and looking for some hand-holding in going from KDE 3.04 to 3.11.
Regards, Matt Prastein
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