[opensuse-kde] What's happened to www.kdetv.org?

Bob Williams

7 Dec 2009 7 Dec '09

16:43

Hi, I'm trying to configure a Hauppauge WinTV-HVR 1700 PCIe card and kdetv says "No devices found. Read FAQ at www.kdetv.org" but that site just has some irrelevant advertising and appears to be for sale :( No helpful FAQ in sight. According to http://en.opensuse.org/HCL/TV_Cards this card is detected in openSUSE 11.1 and works as a DVB-T card. I'm using 11.2 and KDE 4.3.4 I have been through the YaST TV card configuration routine. Any suggestions, please? Bob -- Registered Linux User #463880 FSFE Member #1300 GPG-FP: A6C1 457C 6DBA B13E 5524 F703 D12A FB79 926B 994E openSUSE 11.2, Kernel 2.6.31.5-0.1-desktop, KDE 4.3.3 Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz, 4GB DDR RAM, nVidia GeForce 9200GS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

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Karsten König

7 Dec 7 Dec

17:38

Reminds me of the djbns page "Please note that this website is tinydns.org. It used to be accessible via djbdns.com or djbdns.org. The holder of those two domain names registered them before I could. For a time, he served up a frame linking to tinydns.org. He then let the registration lapse, and now the usual search page idiots have it. Thanks, guy." kdetv is very old and still from KDE 3.x times, I suggest you try another application, kaffeine maybe? SMPlayer should also be able to use tv cards as mplayer can use them. Karsten Am Montag, 7. Dezember 2009 17:43:38 schrieb Bob Williams:

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Hi,

I'm trying to configure a Hauppauge WinTV-HVR 1700 PCIe card and kdetv says "No devices found. Read FAQ at www.kdetv.org" but that site just has some irrelevant advertising and appears to be for sale :(

No helpful FAQ in sight.

According to http://en.opensuse.org/HCL/TV_Cards this card is detected in openSUSE 11.1 and works as a DVB-T card. I'm using 11.2 and KDE 4.3.4

I have been through the YaST TV card configuration routine.

Any suggestions, please?

Bob

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Mark Goldstein

8 Dec 8 Dec

07:41

Hi, --- On Mon, 12/7/09, Bob Williams wrote:

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From: Bob Williams Subject: [opensuse-kde] What's happened to www.kdetv.org? .... I'm trying to configure a Hauppauge WinTV-HVR 1700 PCIe card and kdetv says "No devices found. Read FAQ at www.kdetv.org" but that site just has some irrelevant advertising and appears to be for sale :( .... I'm using 11.2 and KDE 4.3.4

Bob, I'm sorry, I have no suggestions, but a question instead. I'm not upgrading my main machine to 11.2/KDE 4.3.x partially because there were no kdetv for KDE4. I've seen some exchange on KDE lists that someone started porting it to KDE4 and even had some success. So where have you find the kdetv for KDE4.3? The search on opensuse site returned nothing to me (a couple of weeks ago)? BTW, I'm trying tvtime now (still on KDE3) to check whether it can be used instead of kdetv. It lacks some features, but generally works not bad at all, even the picture quality seems a bit better. Regards, -- Mark Goldstein -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

Martin Schlander

07:54

Tirsdag den 8. december 2009 08:41:22 skrev Mark Goldstein:

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--- On Mon, 12/7/09, Bob Williams wrote:

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I'm trying to configure a Hauppauge WinTV-HVR 1700 PCIe card and kdetv says "No devices found. Read FAQ at www.kdetv.org" but that site just has some irrelevant advertising and appears to be for sale :(

I'm sorry, I have no suggestions, but a question instead. I'm not upgrading my main machine to 11.2/KDE 4.3.x partially because there were no kdetv for KDE4.

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BTW, I'm trying tvtime now (still on KDE3) to check whether it can be used instead of kdetv. It lacks some features, but generally works not bad at all, even the picture quality seems a bit better.

Don't have a tv-card myself, but (KDE4) Kaffeine also has some tv support. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

Bob Williams

08:58

Many thanks. I'll try one of those other apps. Maybe mythtv. On Monday 07 Dec 2009 17:38:34 Karsten König wrote:

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Reminds me of the djbns page

"Please note that this website is tinydns.org. It used to be accessible via djbdns.com or djbdns.org. The holder of those two domain names registered them before I could. For a time, he served up a frame linking to tinydns.org. He then let the registration lapse, and now the usual search page idiots have it. Thanks, guy."

kdetv is very old and still from KDE 3.x times, I suggest you try another application, kaffeine maybe? SMPlayer should also be able to use tv cards as mplayer can use them.

Karsten

Am Montag, 7. Dezember 2009 17:43:38 schrieb Bob Williams:

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Hi,

I'm trying to configure a Hauppauge WinTV-HVR 1700 PCIe card and kdetv says "No devices found. Read FAQ at www.kdetv.org" but that site just has some irrelevant advertising and appears to be for sale :(

No helpful FAQ in sight.

According to http://en.opensuse.org/HCL/TV_Cards this card is detected in openSUSE 11.1 and works as a DVB-T card. I'm using 11.2 and KDE 4.3.4

I have been through the YaST TV card configuration routine.

Any suggestions, please?

Bob

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Bob Williams

09:00

Hi Mark, On Tuesday 08 Dec 2009 07:41:22 Mark Goldstein wrote:

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Hi,

--- On Mon, 12/7/09, Bob Williams wrote:

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From: Bob Williams Subject: [opensuse-kde] What's happened to www.kdetv.org?

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I'm trying to configure a Hauppauge WinTV-HVR 1700 PCIe card and kdetv says "No devices found. Read FAQ at www.kdetv.org" but that site just has some irrelevant advertising and appears to be for sale :(

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I'm using 11.2 and KDE 4.3.4

Bob,

I'm sorry, I have no suggestions, but a question instead. I'm not upgrading my main machine to 11.2/KDE 4.3.x partially because there were no kdetv for KDE4. I've seen some exchange on KDE lists that someone started porting it to KDE4 and even had some success. So where have you find the kdetv for KDE4.3? The search on opensuse site returned nothing to me (a couple of weeks ago)?

It's the old kde3.x version of kdetv that I'm using.

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BTW, I'm trying tvtime now (still on KDE3) to check whether it can be used instead of kdetv. It lacks some features, but generally works not bad at all, even the picture quality seems a bit better.

Thanks. I'll take a look at tvtime. Is it in the opensuse 3.5 repo? Bob -- Registered Linux User #463880 FSFE Member #1300 GPG-FP: A6C1 457C 6DBA B13E 5524 F703 D12A FB79 926B 994E openSUSE 11.2, Kernel 2.6.31.5-0.1-desktop, KDE 4.3.3 Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz, 4GB DDR RAM, nVidia GeForce 9200GS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

Bob Williams

09:01

Hi Martin, On Tuesday 08 Dec 2009 07:54:11 Martin Schlander wrote:

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Tirsdag den 8. december 2009 08:41:22 skrev Mark Goldstein:

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--- On Mon, 12/7/09, Bob Williams wrote:

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I'm trying to configure a Hauppauge WinTV-HVR 1700 PCIe card and kdetv says "No devices found. Read FAQ at www.kdetv.org" but that site just has some irrelevant advertising and appears to be for sale :(

I'm sorry, I have no suggestions, but a question instead. I'm not upgrading my main machine to 11.2/KDE 4.3.x partially because there were no kdetv for KDE4.

BTW, I'm trying tvtime now (still on KDE3) to check whether it can be used instead of kdetv. It lacks some features, but generally works not bad at all, even the picture quality seems a bit better.

Don't have a tv-card myself, but (KDE4) Kaffeine also has some tv support.

Thanks. I'm going to have a look at kaffeine. Bob -- Registered Linux User #463880 FSFE Member #1300 GPG-FP: A6C1 457C 6DBA B13E 5524 F703 D12A FB79 926B 994E openSUSE 11.2, Kernel 2.6.31.5-0.1-desktop, KDE 4.3.3 Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz, 4GB DDR RAM, nVidia GeForce 9200GS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

Mark Goldstein

09:43

--- On Tue, 12/8/09, Bob Williams wrote:

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It's the old kde3.x version of kdetv that I'm using.

So you've managed to install old rpm on 11.2/KDE 4.3? That's interesting, I thought it will not pass dependencies check. I'll try this as well. ...

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Thanks. I'll take a look at tvtime. Is it in the opensuse 3.5 repo?

The one I'm using now is from main 11.0 repo (since I have OpenSUSE 11.0 + KDE3.5 on that machine). But I've seen tvtime in 11.2 repo, so this one was ported to KDE4. One thing that I spent some time on was that configuration GUI is not that "natural" as the one of kdetv. (I had to use non-default video device, since I have Webcam on the same machine). But I've found that there are command line options and even more, there is tvtime-configure command, that, when used once, stores the configuration in xml file for tvtime to read. Regards, -- Mark Goldstein -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

Bob Williams

10:24

On Tuesday 08 Dec 2009 09:43:02 Mark Goldstein wrote:

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--- On Tue, 12/8/09, Bob Williams wrote:

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It's the old kde3.x version of kdetv that I'm using.

So you've managed to install old rpm on 11.2/KDE 4.3? That's interesting, I thought it will not pass dependencies check. I'll try this as well. ...

If you are running KDE4, for example, and you try to install a KDE3 package, YaST or zypper should pull in all the dependencies, eg. KDE3 libraries, that are needed. In the same way that I can Gnome applications on a KDe desktop.

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Thanks. I'll take a look at tvtime. Is it in the opensuse 3.5 repo?

The one I'm using now is from main 11.0 repo (since I have OpenSUSE 11.0 + KDE3.5 on that machine). But I've seen tvtime in 11.2 repo, so this one was ported to KDE4. One thing that I spent some time on was that configuration GUI is not that "natural" as the one of kdetv. (I had to use non-default video device, since I have Webcam on the same machine).

So do I. But all the tv apps I've tried so far fail to detect the device, even though YaST seems to recognise that there's a tv card there.

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But I've found that there are command line options and even more, there is tvtime-configure command, that, when used once, stores the configuration in xml file for tvtime to read.

So, do I just do ~> tvtime-configure ? Bob -- Registered Linux User #463880 FSFE Member #1300 GPG-FP: A6C1 457C 6DBA B13E 5524 F703 D12A FB79 926B 994E openSUSE 11.2, Kernel 2.6.31.5-0.1-desktop, KDE 4.3.3 Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz, 4GB DDR RAM, nVidia GeForce 9200GS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

Karsten König

10:28

There are quite some useful programs not ported to kde4 which thus require KDE3 dependencies, a slimmed down kdebase3 and kdelibs3 is still available, programs like kdetv don't need any other kde3 objects. The already ported bundles (kdepim for example) and applications (k3b) have their kde3 version dropped from the main repository. Karsten Am Dienstag, 8. Dezember 2009 10:43:02 schrieb Mark Goldstein:

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--- On Tue, 12/8/09, Bob Williams wrote:

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It's the old kde3.x version of kdetv that I'm using.

So you've managed to install old rpm on 11.2/KDE 4.3? That's interesting, I thought it will not pass dependencies check. I'll try this as well. ...

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Thanks. I'll take a look at tvtime. Is it in the opensuse 3.5 repo?

The one I'm using now is from main 11.0 repo (since I have OpenSUSE 11.0 + KDE3.5 on that machine). But I've seen tvtime in 11.2 repo, so this one was ported to KDE4. One thing that I spent some time on was that configuration GUI is not that "natural" as the one of kdetv. (I had to use non-default video device, since I have Webcam on the same machine). But I've found that there are command line options and even more, there is tvtime-configure command, that, when used once, stores the configuration in xml file for tvtime to read.

Regards, -- Mark Goldstein

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Bob Williams

10:58

On Tuesday 08 Dec 2009 09:43:02 Mark Goldstein wrote:

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The one I'm using now is from main 11.0 repo (since I have OpenSUSE 11.0 + KDE3.5 on that machine). But I've seen tvtime in 11.2 repo, so this one was ported to KDE4. One thing that I spent some time on was that configuration GUI is not that "natural" as the one of kdetv. (I had to use non-default video device, since I have Webcam on the same machine). But I've found that there are command line options and even more, there is tvtime-configure command, that, when used once, stores the configuration in xml file for tvtime to read.

I think my problem is that the tv apps I've tried are all looking at /dev/video0, which is my webcam. It's also the only /dev/video device listed here. OTOH I do have a /dev/dvb/adapter0. If I could get kdetv or tvtime to see that device, maybe things would work? BTW, I can't seem to get Kaffeine to load - the icon bounces up and down for 30 secs., then nothing. Bob -- Registered Linux User #463880 FSFE Member #1300 GPG-FP: A6C1 457C 6DBA B13E 5524 F703 D12A FB79 926B 994E openSUSE 11.2, Kernel 2.6.31.5-0.1-desktop, KDE 4.3.3 Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz, 4GB DDR RAM, nVidia GeForce 9200GS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

Mark Goldstein

11:15

--- On Tue, 12/8/09, Bob Williams wrote:

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From: Bob Williams Subject: Re: [opensuse-kde] What's happened to www.kdetv.org? ... If you are running KDE4, for example, and you try to install a KDE3 package, YaST or zypper should pull in all the dependencies, eg. KDE3 libraries, that are needed. In the same way that I can Gnome applications on a KDe desktop.

Thanks, I'll give it a try. ...

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So do I. But all the tv apps I've tried so far fail to detect the device, even though YaST seems to recognise that there's a tv card there.

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But I've found that there are command line options and even more, there is tvtime-configure command, that, when used once, stores the configuration in xml file for tvtime to read.

So, do I just do

~> tvtime-configure ?

No, it is tvtime-configure -d /dev/video1 (in my case). tvtime-configure --help provides the list of options, I think there was something for dvb device as well (I can't check right now, the machine is at home :( ). The same options exist for tvtime (that is you can try with tvtime -d <whatever>. If it works, save it with tvtime-configure and then you can use tvtime without parameters. Regards, -- Mark Goldstein -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

Bob Williams

11:17

On Tuesday 08 Dec 2009 10:58:10 Bob Williams wrote:

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I think my problem is that the tv apps I've tried are all looking at /dev/video0, which is my webcam. It's also the only /dev/video device listed here. OTOH I do have a /dev/dvb/adapter0. If I could get kdetv or tvtime to see that device, maybe things would work?

Well, I tried 10:58 barrowhillfarm:~> tvtime-configure --vbidevice=/dev/dvb/adapter0 and 11:00 barrowhillfarm:~> tvtime-configure --device=/dev/dvb/adapter0 and 11:02 barrowhillfarm:~> tvtime-configure --device=/dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0 and 11:04 barrowhillfarm:~> tvtime-configure --device=/dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 and 11:05 barrowhillfarm:~> tvtime-configure --device=/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 and 11:05 barrowhillfarm:~> tvtime-configure --device=/dev/dvb/adapter0/net0 but tvtime didn't like any of them: "not a video4linux device" :( Why hasn't the tv card been mounted on /dev/video1 ? Bob -- Registered Linux User #463880 FSFE Member #1300 GPG-FP: A6C1 457C 6DBA B13E 5524 F703 D12A FB79 926B 994E openSUSE 11.2, Kernel 2.6.31.5-0.1-desktop, KDE 4.3.3 Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz, 4GB DDR RAM, nVidia GeForce 9200GS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

Mark Goldstein

13:09

--- On Tue, 12/8/09, Bob Williams wrote:

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From: Bob Williams Subject: Re: [opensuse-kde] What's happened to www.kdetv.org? To: opensuse-kde@opensuse.org Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 1:17 PM On Tuesday 08 Dec 2009 10:58:10 Bob Williams wrote:

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I think my problem is that the tv apps I've tried are all looking at /dev/video0, which is my webcam. It's also the only /dev/video device listed here. OTOH I do have a /dev/dvb/adapter0. If I could get kdetv or tvtime to see that device, maybe things would work?

Well, I tried

10:58 barrowhillfarm:~> tvtime-configure --vbidevice=/dev/dvb/adapter0 and 11:00 barrowhillfarm:~> tvtime-configure --device=/dev/dvb/adapter0 and 11:02 barrowhillfarm:~> tvtime-configure --device=/dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0 and 11:04 barrowhillfarm:~> tvtime-configure --device=/dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 and 11:05 barrowhillfarm:~> tvtime-configure --device=/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 and 11:05 barrowhillfarm:~> tvtime-configure --device=/dev/dvb/adapter0/net0

but tvtime didn't like any of them: "not a video4linux device" :(

Why hasn't the tv card been mounted on /dev/video1 ?

This is something I'm not familiar with. I guess, "not a video4linux device" means some more generic issue, not related to TV viewing application. Hopefully somebody on the list knows this stuff better. In the meantime I would try reading video4linux manpage / help (or search in google). Also, there is a set of rules somewhere in /etc/udev/rules.d, that defines how specific hot-plugged device is presented. I see that now similar set of rules exists in /etc/modprobe.d. There is some file 50-tv.conf in /etc/modprobe.d It is empty on this laptop I'm looking at now (it does not have TV card). You could probably check if there is something in this file on your machine. Regards, -- Mark Goldstein -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

Vitaliy Tomin

13:20

tvtime is for analog TV only, you trying to use it with digital tv tuner. kdetv cant play dvb television too. For watch digital tv you need an DVB application. In example: kaffeine, xine, vdr or mythtv.

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Well, I tried

10:58 barrowhillfarm:~> tvtime-configure --vbidevice=/dev/dvb/adapter0 and 11:00 barrowhillfarm:~> tvtime-configure --device=/dev/dvb/adapter0 and 11:02 barrowhillfarm:~> tvtime-configure --device=/dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0 and 11:04 barrowhillfarm:~> tvtime-configure --device=/dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 and 11:05 barrowhillfarm:~> tvtime-configure --device=/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 and 11:05 barrowhillfarm:~> tvtime-configure --device=/dev/dvb/adapter0/net0

but tvtime didn't like any of them: "not a video4linux device" :(

Why hasn't the tv card been mounted on /dev/video1 ?

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Bob Williams

15:24

Ah! Thank you. Bob On Tuesday 08 Dec 2009 13:20:58 Vitaliy Tomin wrote:

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tvtime is for analog TV only, you trying to use it with digital tv tuner. kdetv cant play dvb television too.

For watch digital tv you need an DVB application. In example: kaffeine, xine, vdr or mythtv.

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Well, I tried

10:58 barrowhillfarm:~> tvtime-configure --vbidevice=/dev/dvb/adapter0 and 11:00 barrowhillfarm:~> tvtime-configure --device=/dev/dvb/adapter0 and 11:02 barrowhillfarm:~> tvtime-configure --device=/dev/dvb/adapter0/demux0 and 11:04 barrowhillfarm:~> tvtime-configure --device=/dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 and 11:05 barrowhillfarm:~> tvtime-configure --device=/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 and 11:05 barrowhillfarm:~> tvtime-configure --device=/dev/dvb/adapter0/net0

but tvtime didn't like any of them: "not a video4linux device" :(

Why hasn't the tv card been mounted on /dev/video1 ?

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