In data domenica 19 aprile 2015 23:20:30, stakanov@freenet.de ha scritto:

This means concretely that if the desktop messes up and do not start again, all the people that I help with opensuse and that are delighted with a

Please re-read the mail again. Where's the mention of the desktop? We're talking about KDE Applications releases here. KDE is not the desktop, but the community around it. Therefore, libraries, workspaces and applications are on separate repositories / release schedules. This only concerns the applications, so I can't quite understand how the desktop can "mess up" given it's not even affected.

updates when available. Want to live "KDE4.0 is not KDE4.0" one more time, really? Why would you ever want to do this instead of leaving it aside in a separate repo.

Why KDE 4.0? Again, we're talking about applications, not desktop.

don't mix. The stable version must stay stable. If people are risk liking they have Tubleweed. If not, why we have Tubleweed then? If people want to

Then the best solution is not to offer *any* kind of KDE Applications updates for openSUSE 13.2. And to whoever makes such a request, the answer would be "use Tumbleweed, or wait for the next stable release, whenever it comes out". I will propose that to the rest of the team. Even less maintenance burden for us, so that's a plus.

try 13.2 with separate repos with untested software on production machines, go ahead.

How is that untested? They're stable releases from upstream. -- Luca Beltrame - KDE Forums team KDE Science supporter GPG key ID: 6E1A4E79 Fine del messaggio firmat Dear Luka. First of all, thank you for your reply. I am sorry if my post should have come across as "uncivil". This was of course far from my intention. So, @Cor, if you read this, sorry if you did understand it like this. The issue is not about my own view, I can setup a system from the scratch or repair if there is need. But about all the userbase out there that is not "easily" going and needs at least a reliable system to work. These users are the real ambassadors of Linux as a whole and I am sometimes a bit frustrated to be told: I followed all indication for conservative behaviour but after the update the system is broken. Generally in these cases the culprit up to now is third party software and not opensuse. If someone of them tells me that he/she/it mingled with things he was not qualified, of course that does not apply. The problem is the first case. One of the reasons for the reactions is, I dare to belief, a somewhat not clear understanding of what was proposed here. Thing is: I myself think of setting up a second testing machine for Tumbleweed with the new libraries and evtl. the application base in order to report bugs and have a smooth change in the future. I cannot tell you by the way how happy I am with the current 13.2 release because practically, a part of some very minor bugs, all "just works". Which makes it the ideal distribution to step into the experience of Linux and makes it in my view also a good evergreen candidate (but this is only my quite uninformed opinion and may be there are reasons for the Evergreen team not to share this view at all). When you asked: "how is this untested", this referred to the sentence of the original email that was probably meant differently but did leave me a bit...worried, to say the least. As there was: Raymond wrote: "The environment where Frameworks based applications are running inside a KDE4 desktop is untested. Also upstream is only testing how KDE4 based applications are behaving inside a Plasma 5 desktop. Although we are not expecting issues, one can never be sure. If it becomes clear that this is causing an unstable desktop for openSUSE 13.2 users, then we would revert the changes for openSUSE 13.2 and remain there with pure KDE4 applications." That was probably to say that these applications run stable if build against the new framework, and nobody really knows what this gives if ported to 13.2 and KDE4. So to begin with: what entity we are speaking about? How many applications would be part of this. My fear is here also that, what will cause you pain and effort and steal a lot of resources and manpower, will turn against you if anything could possibly go wrong. I do understand (by reading everything several times) what you want to do, and it is a noble thought. But I still do not think it is good idea. I do think instead that Tumbleweed needs more publicity for being used by a greater userbase (as this of course will help you to repos where "too much" for them. Whether I do agree on this or not, what I do is: I understand and totally accept people who need a conservative KDE desktop for everyday work. And ...congratulations, IMO 13.2 IS such a product. (Now isn't this beautiful news). At least this is my idea about how to handle the "generational change" this time. With my most positive thoughts and greetings to everybody working on this, with often so little resources and so much enthusiasm. And it was really not my intention to offend anybody. Hope at least now this is clearer. Thank you. --- Alle Postfächer an einem Ort. Jetzt wechseln und E-Mail-Adresse mitnehmen! http://email.freenet.de/basic/Informationen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org