On Saturday 20 September 2003: It's just an expression: I used it because of exasperation. I think you can consult a dictionary od spoken british English for more details. It is not meant to offend anyone and it does not have any historical 'a propos'! Maybe if people will learn to follow the bloody rules we will not waste our time with all this ;) br /radu

Am Samstag, 20. September 2003 20:54 schrieb radu.pirvu@pp.inet.fi:

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It seems like Dieter and Christoph don't get it: this is a mailing list in ENGLISH language, not anything else!

Filippos was quite polite with you, but it seems you don't get it. So post in English or use a list in bloody German! Clear enough now?

What do you mean with "bloody"?

Greetings

Jens

To answer the question instead of bitching about the German. I doubt we are going to see a set of KDE 3.1.4 packages anytime soon because they are "working on 9.0" or something. Unless we all request Adrian to make them..then he'll prolly get to them sooner or later. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.

* Radu Pirvu (radu.pirvu@pp.inet.fi) [030920 13:05]:

On Saturday 20 September 2003 22:55:

It is not bitching about the German: it's just so annoying that many of the German participants are unable to follow the rules!

There are quite a few greek guys around, what will this list become if they start posting in Greek? What about French, Italian and all the other languages? Who will understand what? It seems that everyone is able to follow the rules except some german guys ...

Also, posting in German isn't a 1/10th as annoying as someone who CC's with their reply. If one is on the list then there isn't any reason to CC them and the list. It's just a waste of bandwidth. Cheers! -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.

On Saturday 20 September 2003 13:44, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Snip>>

And top-posts, and doesn't trim quotes, and ....

Sorry Patrick, you're way out here. Topposting and trimming have NOTHING to do with Radu's original response. And if you like it or not he is 100% right. I'm subscribed to a number of SuSE related lists and yes the only time you see a different language appearing, it is German. Even on the Openoffice list with questions from all over the world ,it are the Germans who break the rules.

-- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org

-- Greetings from /bill at 169 west , 19 south. Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors."

Hi! I am sorry but I do not completely understand what you are complaining so passionate about: I am following many mailing lists and I have seen postings made in many ways. Could you please point me to a netiquette page where the rules that you are reffering to are mentioned? What I have noticed it that the people that are losing an argument are shifting the discussion towards an insignificant issue like this in order to make the 'opponent' to look 'rude', so his points of view would become compromised, too. So please point me to a page ,preferably SuSE page, where the rules you defend so passionate are listed. I would like to correct the mistakes I am not knowingly making! br /radu On Sunday 21 September 2003 06:19, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Bill Wisse [09-20-03 21:33]:

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On Saturday 20 September 2003 13:44, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Snip>>

And top-posts, and doesn't trim quotes, and ....

Sorry Patrick, you're way out here. Topposting and trimming have NOTHING to do with Radu's original response. And if you like it or not he is 100% right.

Don't believe that I have argued his stance, just his manners. And if you followed the thread, it wandered slightly. You have snipped the connection. The point became posting to the list _and_ to the previous poster, unnecessary and irritating if you read many and/or large lists.

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I'm subscribed to a number of SuSE related lists and yes the only time you see a different language appearing, it is German.

Rather broad statement. Take an awful amount of research to make a stand here.

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Even on the Openoffice list with questions from all over the world ,it are the Germans who break the rules.

Again.

Please trim the _old_ sigs when you quote. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org

On Saturday 20 September 2003 22:03, Oliver Schwabedissen wrote:

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PPS: Sorry Bill for sending this reply directly to you first. I'm so used to pressing the reply button if I want to reply that I sometimes forget that this doesn't work for mailing lists. One more reason to use a newsserver instead of mailing lists...

Not a problem. I have already replied to you directly. BTW I see that you use Kmail, instead of hitting reply , next time try to hit "" L or l" that will give you a response to the list only. -- Greetings from /bill at 169 west , 19 south. Disclaimer: Any errors in spelling, tact, or fact are transmission errors."

On Sunday 21 September 2003 05:44, Oliver Schwabedissen wrote:

Am Sonntag, 21. September 2003 11:45 schrieb Bill Wisse:

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BTW I see that you use Kmail, instead of hitting reply , next time try to hit "" L or l" that will give you a response to the list only.

I know, but my mouse lacks an "L" key ;-)

Ciao, Oliver

Oliver, I took care of that by putting a new button on the toolbar for a list reply. It works well with the mouse. Just go "Settings->Configure Toolbar" and it should be obvious what to do from there. That is one of the things that I love about KDE, it is configurable to work the way I need to work. Shouldn't all software work like that? -- Kelly L. Fulks Home Account near Huntsville, AL

Am Samstag, 20. September 2003 22:02 schrieb Radu Pirvu:

On Saturday 20 September 2003 22:55:

It is not bitching about the German: it's just so annoying that many of the German participants are unable to follow the rules!

There are quite a few greek guys around, what will this list become if they start posting in Greek? What about French, Italian and all the other languages? Who will understand what? It seems that everyone is able to follow the rules except some german guys ...

Hello evrerybody. My name is Michael Eichstädt. Truly german. I think many post in german because of just not being alert. The problem is: we don´t read manuals! That why we make so many RTFM-mistakes. And the other reason is: SuSE is a german company and for germans it´s very easy not to see that there are a lot of users of lots of nationalities. The whole documentation and the SuSE website is all german with an english version available. Thanks to SuSE who supply such an excellent german LINUX version the community is getting bigger every day here. I really appreciate the internationality of this list and the opensource movement in general. But it happened to me too that I once posted here in german. Somebody told me not to so I went to the right list. We´re easy to handle we germans- just tell us politely and we do it. have a lot of fun! (that´s what it´s all about, isn´t it?) Michael Eichstädt

/radu

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To answer the question instead of bitching about the German.

I doubt we are going to see a set of KDE 3.1.4 packages anytime soon because they are "working on 9.0" or something. Unless we all request Adrian to make them..then he'll prolly get to them sooner or later.

-- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.

Hi all, I agree with Charles. 3.1.4 is a security update as well as a bug fix. KDE: http://www.kde.org/info/security/advisory-20030916-1.txt I don't understand why nobody on the suse-security mailing list has taken up the issue of the lack of KDE 3.1.4 RPMs, especially since the problem was originally noticed by a subscriber to suse-security: http://lists.suse.com/archive/suse-security/2002-Dec/0101.html Other distros have sent security advisories and created binaries for download: Mandrake:MDKSA-2003:091 http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/advisory.php?name=MDKSA-2003:091 RedHat:RHSA-2003:270 http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/RHSA-2003-270.html Debian:DSA-388-1 http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-388 So, why not SuSE? Best regards On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 06:21, Charles Philip Chan wrote:

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I doubt we are going to see a set of KDE 3.1.4 packages anytime soon because they are "working on 9.0" or something.

I am pretty unhappy with the situation. If 3.1.4 is only a small feature enhancement update then I can live with the status quo, but 3.1.4 contains security fixes therefore SuSE versions should be made available. I can of course compile them from the pristine source, but then I will loose some of the integration with SuSE.