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Anybody knows whether exists a suitable video editor for kde? And for free?

There was some duscussion and suggestions in the thread starting http://www.linux.net.nz/lists/NZLUG/2004/09/0060.html recently. It looks to me like Linux is a loser currently. Linux doesn't even come with useful en/decoders out of the box. From long ago I remember that some company was working on a commercial video editing tool for Linux. Personally I prefer by a long shot commercial (and affordable!) Linux software over having to use M$. That's why I think commercial software development for Linux should be encouraged. Btw the situation for audio editing on Linux equally sucks. Both available easily for Redmond. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me.

Your incorrect to presume linux is a loser. They just obey the law regarding non GNU lisence programs.

You completely missed the point. Yes "they"'re obeying the law, but that's not the point.

The makers of these products have made some available for us but the user must modify their own system.

*That*'s the problem. By far most computer users are not capable of compiling anything, nor should they have to. If you want to persuade unsavvy (i.e. average) users to switch to Linux, you'll have to give them a system that's better. "Good" is defined as inserting the CD which came with the dvdrom drive and clicking the mouse about 5 times. Alternatively, starting yast will do, but it's not working. Linux out of the box doesn't play a hell of a lot of things which makes it a loser in this area. I'm not interested in why, nor is my gf, my mother, or anyone else I'm trying to persuade to switch to Linux. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is possibly list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me.

On Saturday 11 September 2004 08:47 am, ianseeks wrote:

If you want that sort of Linux system i.e. Click and run, you'll need to go and purchase Linspire(Lindows).

Linux out of the box plays a lot more things than most other OS's.

On Saturday 11 Sep 2004 11:31, Volker Kuhlmann wrote:

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Your incorrect to presume linux is a loser. They just obey the law regarding non GNU lisence programs.

You completely missed the point. Yes "they"'re obeying the law, but that's not the point.

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The makers of these products have made some available for us but the user must modify their own system.

*That*'s the problem. By far most computer users are not capable of compiling anything, nor should they have to. If you want to persuade unsavvy (i.e. average) users to switch to Linux, you'll have to give them a system that's better. "Good" is defined as inserting the CD which came with the dvdrom drive and clicking the mouse about 5 times. Alternatively, starting yast will do, but it's not working.

Linux out of the box doesn't play a hell of a lot of things which makes it a loser in this area. I'm not interested in why, nor is my gf, my mother, or anyone else I'm trying to persuade to switch to Linux.

Volker

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One point I believe that Volker misses in all this is that you won't find many gf's, mother's or anyone else normal computer user installing Linux on their machine without someone's help. Any company that sells computers with Linux preinstalled will have most if not all the programs ready for use when the purchaser gets the machine. Now how many Windows computers do you find with the plethora of software Linux offers already installed? And how many Windows or even normal Linux users do you know that goes messing around with their systems, once it's setup for their everyday usage? They don't! Again, I point out, since it's not installed someone gets someone else to install it, whether it's Linux or Windows, so that makes both OS's losers, right? Well, we know Windows is, but the jury is still out on Linux. ;o) Without a doubt, Linux is better as we all know and the choices and selections it gives us is enormous compared to any other OS out there. Getting people to accept it is not a matter of a single program or two, it's re-educating the users to the it's advantages. That's where the present users come in with their help. Lee -- --- KMail v1.7 --- SuSE Linux Pro v9.1 --- Registered Linux User #225206 Those Who Dance Are Considered Insane, by Those Who Cannot Hear the Music!

*** Reply to message from BandiPat on Sat, 11 Sep 2004 09:54:57 -0400 One more candle and a trip around the Sun***

One point I believe that Volker misses in all this is that you won't find many gf's, mother's or anyone else normal computer user installing Linux on their machine without someone's help.

goog grief ! To the extent that any computer user upgrades or changes oses on a computer it is not sex dependant but curiosity and confidence dependant. Unless I am expected to believe that my family is so unbelievabley unusual that we just all ( females especially ) are brighter than the rest of the world? Most of my family has the women in the family as the techies/IT and teachers to the rest of the family ( largely male. Methinks it's you fellas who are most complacent in this dept. <VBG> -- j -- nemo me impune lacessit

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:31:36 +1200 Volker Kuhlmann writes:

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Your incorrect to presume linux is a loser. They just obey the law regarding non GNU lisence programs.

You completely missed the point. Yes "they"'re obeying the law, but that's not the point.

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The makers of these products have made some available for us but the user must modify their own system.

*That*'s the problem. By far most computer users are not capable of compiling anything, nor should they have to. If you want to persuade unsavvy (i.e. average) users to switch to Linux, you'll have to give them a system that's better. "Good" is defined as inserting the CD which came with the dvdrom drive and clicking the mouse about 5 times. Alternatively, starting yast will do, but it's not working.

Linux out of the box doesn't play a hell of a lot of things which makes it a loser in this area. I'm not interested in why, nor is my gf, my mother, or anyone else I'm trying to persuade to switch to Linux.

All the more reason to start producing better educational books for Suse. RH has many books suse few in spite being a better product. Perhaps IBM will take up the chore when they buy Novel(I hope). In the mean time it might be a good resume inhancement to stop kvetching and start helping. CWSIV ________________________________________________________________ Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today!

*** Reply to message from Sébastien on Sat, 11 Sep 2004 13:02:23 +0200 One more candle and a trip around the Sun***

Gui video editers : avidemux, kino command line tools : transcode, dvdauthor, dvgrab Audio editor : audacity

you left out celaria but that one takes some serious horse power under the hood of your box, and isn't really an amatuers product... Mainactor as Suse installs it will do basic video editing ( gui) as well Broadcast 2000 .. depends , I guess on how close to Hollywood you want to get, or are capable of getting. You first need to be a story teller, after that , it's largely mechanics -- j -- nemo me impune lacessit