[opensuse-kde] KMAIL - why this way it is ????
Hi, guys ! Some 'affected' kmail2 .... ;) Yeah, nice surface and try, server / client and so on ... nepomuk and akonadi and mysqld are really pretty nice tools, too. Surface of kmail2 works really good. But for my humble daily obvision: nice quick fetch via pop, displaying mail immediately, but then filtering long time and unstable in background, leaving me with nonworth visuable emails, sometimes not even processing some of them, maybe it's blocking itself with own activity ? (as I've watched: the more load, the less percent of emails are processed on my pc...) So nearly every personal action on new emails is in vain, even contra productiv. Pure nightmare. Filtering is going on and on and ...... ? what the hell is it doing ?? Automatic filtering has problems ??? It takes really some time if there it is some kind of request during filtering requesting which version to take ???? older or newer one ????? if future versions of your software hasn't the algo to choose dat .... ????? !!!!! What's your deep thoughtl ??? ( no, please not 42 ! ) akonadi_mail_filter_agent and mysqld and nepomuk are eating up my semi. Hm, yep. But why not doing the task of getting emails the single way ? : cronning fetch ext mail into <maildir>input/new cronning akonadi(??????)_mail_filter_agent (or somethinglikethat) for each email in <maildir>input/new to move into targetdir sending somethinglikethat<sigupdate> to kmail2 with <targetdir> as argument via dbus ? am I too simple ? what's your approach ? greets, furgl p.s. please stat: I'm actually coping not only with your emaillist - I use my nux as a still hopefiul tool to process some more emails every hour at and a day. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Lørdag den 10. november 2012 23:56:29 skrev pf:
But for my humble daily obvision: nice quick fetch via pop, displaying mail immediately, but then filtering long time and unstable in background,
You're lucky. I can't get (automatic) filtering at all for my pop3 mails with kdepim 4.8.5. I have to do Ctrl+A -> Ctrl+J everytime on my inbox. It might help if you say which KDE version and openSUSE version you're using and where you got it, since no two people in this community are using the same combination of packages. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Martin Schlander wrote:
You're lucky. I can't get (automatic) filtering at all for my pop3 mails with kdepim 4.8.5. I have to do Ctrl+A -> Ctrl+J everytime on my inbox.
All of you having filtering problems, please try 4.9.3. Andras -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Saturday 10 November 2012 23:56:29 pf wrote:
nice quick fetch via pop, displaying mail immediately, but then filtering long time and unstable in background, leaving me with nonworth visuable emails, sometimes not even processing some of them, maybe it's blocking itself with own activity ?
This might be because nowadays most people use server-side filtering and IMAP. AFAIK this is also true for all KMail developers. That would explain why this code isn't really in best shape. Have you considered just using server-side filtering as well? Regards, Torsten -- Torsten Grote, Kolab Evangelist Kolab Systems AG, Zürich, Switzerland e: grote@kolabsys.com t: +41 43 501 66 91 w: http://kolabsys.com pgp: 274D 4F97 Torsten Grote
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This might be because nowadays most people use server-side filtering and IMAP.
Most people? I don't think any of my providers offer it. If devs think that way, they are misinformed. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlCiNwIACgkQja8UbcUWM1yesQEAnBI5tx46mN8nfsSNezuJZzId 7wMo4Ku2Rn685+93N1QA/3DVNUXT0FCq5PlfK3Yz6pny9nox4oK7FrbYujVelt0g =JST3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 13 November 2012 13:03:14 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2012-11-13 10:43, Torsten Grote wrote:
This might be because nowadays most people use server-side filtering and IMAP.
Most people? I don't think any of my providers offer it. If devs think that way, they are misinformed.
In my personal experience that is true as well. But I acknowledge that there might be still many people who use pop and client-side filtering. Maybe one of them needs to step up to improve filtering in Kmail. What kind of providers to you have? Maybe I can check whether Kolab Systems could provide a Kolab Server to the OpenSUSE project. Then you would not only get IMAP, server-side filtering, but also calendars and addressbooks including synchronization to mobile devices ;) Regards, Torsten -- Torsten Grote, Kolab Evangelist Kolab Systems AG, Zürich, Switzerland e: grote@kolabsys.com t: +41 43 501 66 91 w: http://kolabsys.com pgp: 274D 4F97 Torsten Grote
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2012-11-13 13:45, Torsten Grote wrote:
On Tuesday 13 November 2012 13:03:14 Carlos E. R. wrote:
What kind of providers to you have?
One is telefonica, another is gmail. I have another that offers only pop3. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlCiRH4ACgkQja8UbcUWM1xL4AD/e4EwJBHsSyI9TSkItvFE4GuW L3ZTAdaNNoti98RfgHsA/24eYP9bIkJfrEmixQzw4lt2cmr1DJq1wRJkaAEPYPJW =MTdq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
* Carlos E. R.
On 2012-11-13 13:45, Torsten Grote wrote:
On Tuesday 13 November 2012 13:03:14 Carlos E. R. wrote:
What kind of providers to you have?
One is telefonica, another is gmail. I have another that offers only pop3.
I can lend weight to that. I have RoadRunner which only offers pop3 or web access. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2012-11-13 14:10, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <> [11-13-12 08:02]:
I can lend weight to that. I have RoadRunner which only offers pop3 or web access.
Another one: sympatico.ca I was visiting on summer 2011 and could not set it up for someone. Sympatico wants their clients to use webmail only. They only had pop3, no sync with web. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlCiSkQACgkQja8UbcUWM1zmVgD8CZhE3vcjpmfPTiE1g6fx/2AF iF5siTshPj0ItjOiWTcA+gNtPj0KLBCJIpOmOENhWeSB/4ZiH3EISmHyqxvLzwct =7Cne -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Hi, together ! Now once again in this round - I'm using opensuse 12.2 actually now with KDE 4.93 and its almost the same mess as in 4.85 from original repo. Mysqld still eating up most of performance - please don't claim mysql :::: it was'nt my idea to impement it !!! And lack of performance still seems to be the problem of kmail2. And restarting akonadi periodically in 4.93 seems to be an additional problem - vice versa 4.85 - just IMHO. And my experience. So - please once again my earlier question (topic!) WHY THIS WAY ? Why not the simple - the straight way ? No, I'm almost tired (yes, after two tries) hard trying to give a usable feedback if you've ever been interested, any halfway useful answer seems to be: upgrade to 4.9X I've upgraded now 3 times from original repo to factory just to see that kmail2 is as worse as it almost ever was. So what you think is bad about switching to RH running KDE 4.7X ... Pretty (very) old OS but with kmail(not2!) and serving good for desktop usage. Greets, Am Di 13.11.2012, 14:25:24 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
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On 2012-11-13 14:10, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carlos E. R. <> [11-13-12 08:02]:
I can lend weight to that. I have RoadRunner which only offers pop3 or web access.
Another one: sympatico.ca I was visiting on summer 2011 and could not set it up for someone. Sympatico wants their clients to use webmail only. They only had pop3, no sync with web.
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/
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Op maandag 19 november 2012 22:04:39 schreef pf:
Hi, together !
Now once again in this round -
I'm using opensuse 12.2 actually now with KDE 4.93 and its almost the same mess as in 4.85 from original repo.
I am using the same and I don't have this trouble.
Mysqld still eating up most of performance - please don't claim mysql :::: it was'nt my idea to impement it !!!
And lack of performance still seems to be the problem of kmail2.
And restarting akonadi periodically in 4.93 seems to be an additional problem - vice versa 4.85 - just IMHO. And my experience.
So - please once again my earlier question (topic!)
WHY THIS WAY ?
This is the wrong question. It is as it is!! And either you are going to use it or not. If you want any help you have to describe what exactly your problem is and what you have done to solve it sofar. After that we can give you some suggestions how to proceed and end up in a workable condition, like I have. I have about 6 accounts and in total about 20,000 email messages stored on my local desktop.
Greets,
-- fr.gr. Freek de Kruijf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Hi, Freek ! Hm, yep just in common for this issue: am at the moment still using OpenSuse 12.2_64 with kde4.93 probs I had too with orig repo 4.84, 4.85 and with 4.91 and 4.92 So ... Hi, Freek again - I've sent you an email about 5 hours before from the online"desktop" from email provider o mine. Could you please post / resend it to maillist ? So that I can get it hopefully myself. Just one cause: After I've sent you this email with descripted probs, I moved this email to the input folder at my providers location just to get it myself next time I get online and kmail pulls. Since about two hours I'm back online. Kmail pulled my emails. But exactly the email I've sent to you and I've put to input folder and which should now be somewhere in my Opensuse/KDE folder is gone. But there are (not only) some emails without content exactly in the folder where it shoud be due filtering (1.xcf) nor where it could be, my local inbox (2.xcf) but some correct emails at top of kde folder (3.xcf) ~/.local/share/local-mail> find . -type f -size 1c -ls | grep -i kde 2707648 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 pf users 1 Nov 20 21:48 ./.Archiv.directory/.OSu.directory/KDE/cur/1353443897.R568.PefNB:2,S 2707044 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 pf users 1 Nov 20 21:42 ./.Archiv.directory/.OSu.directory/KDE/cur/1353443725.R289.PefNB:2,S 2707194 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 pf users 1 Nov 20 21:44 ./.Archiv.directory/.OSu.directory/KDE/cur/1353443782.R209.PefNB:2,S when I look for complete count ~/.local/share/local-mail> find . -type f -size 1c -ls | wc -l 975 it seems to hit my fear that emails get lost. Just right now this evening in one shot almost about 1000 mails. Any proposals / suggestions ??? Greets, Peter Am Mo 19.11.2012, 23:50:35 schrieb Freek de Kruijf:
Op maandag 19 november 2012 22:04:39 schreef pf:
Hi, together !
Now once again in this round -
I'm using opensuse 12.2 actually now with KDE 4.93 and its almost the same mess as in 4.85 from original repo.
I am using the same and I don't have this trouble.
Mysqld still eating up most of performance - please don't claim mysql :::: it was'nt my idea to impement it !!!
And lack of performance still seems to be the problem of kmail2.
And restarting akonadi periodically in 4.93 seems to be an additional problem - vice versa 4.85 - just IMHO. And my experience.
So - please once again my earlier question (topic!)
WHY THIS WAY ?
This is the wrong question. It is as it is!! And either you are going to use it or not. If you want any help you have to describe what exactly your problem is and what you have done to solve it sofar. After that we can give you some suggestions how to proceed and end up in a workable condition, like I have.
I have about 6 accounts and in total about 20,000 email messages stored on my local desktop.
Greets,
Op dinsdag 20 november 2012 22:50:54 schreef pf:
Hi, Freek !
Hm, yep just in common for this issue: am at the moment still using OpenSuse 12.2_64 with kde4.93 probs I had too with orig repo 4.84, 4.85 and with 4.91 and 4.92
So ...
Hi, Freek again - I've sent you an email about 5 hours before from the online"desktop" from email provider o mine.
You will find bug reports on filtering in KMail. So at this moment I would recommend not to use filtering except in a test environment. Using the search field for the subject line you can easily make selections (than Select All) and move those messages to the corresponding folder. A bit more work, but at least you will not loose any message. -- vr.gr. Freek de Kruijf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Freek de Kruijf wrote:
Op dinsdag 20 november 2012 22:50:54 schreef pf:
Hi, Freek !
Hm, yep just in common for this issue: am at the moment still using OpenSuse 12.2_64 with kde4.93 probs I had too with orig repo 4.84, 4.85 and with 4.91 and 4.92
So ...
Hi, Freek again - I've sent you an email about 5 hours before from the online"desktop" from email provider o mine.
You will find bug reports on filtering in KMail. So at this moment I would recommend not to use filtering except in a test environment.
Filtering in 4.9.3 and with Akonadi 1.8.1 should not cause any data loss. Before it could happen. Andras -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 13 November 2012 14:00:47 Carlos E. R. wrote:
What kind of providers to you have?
One is telefonica, another is gmail. I have another that offers only pop3.
AFAIK gmail offers IMAP. And yes big telcos like telefonica are sometimes very slow with adopting modern technologies. Regards, Torsten -- Torsten Grote, Kolab Evangelist Kolab Systems AG, Zürich, Switzerland e: grote@kolabsys.com t: +41 43 501 66 91 w: http://kolabsys.com pgp: 274D 4F97 Torsten Grote
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2012-11-13 14:20, Torsten Grote wrote:
On Tuesday 13 November 2012 14:00:47 Carlos E. R. wrote:
What kind of providers to you have?
One is telefonica, another is gmail. I have another that offers only pop3.
AFAIK gmail offers IMAP. And yes big telcos like telefonica are sometimes very slow with adopting modern technologies.
IMAP, yes, of course, but server side filtering, no, no way. That is the question here. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlCiSbcACgkQja8UbcUWM1zJ9AD9GJ5e/cnaXCzMLh9F5Z/5PLMa EVL0MrfktGxCtsTvxsYA/3DzUC2BlHsck/s9F1GSr7lDqzX4cL3PGfjzqRT7PjPE =tft6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org
Dne Út 13. listopadu 2012 13:03:14, Carlos E. R. napsal(a):
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On 2012-11-13 10:43, Torsten Grote wrote:
This might be because nowadays most people use server-side filtering and IMAP.
Most people? I don't think any of my providers offer it.
If devs think that way, they are misinformed.
Well, it seems I'm the lucky one, I haven't met any provider not providing server side filtering and IMAP...
- -- Cheers / Saludos,
Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/
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All the best! Vojtěch -- Vojtěch Zeisek Komunita openSUSE GNU/Linuxu Community of the openSUSE GNU/Linux http://www.opensuse.org/ http://trapa.cz/
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