On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:07 AM, Will Stephenson wrote:

On Thursday 13 Sep 2012 17:29:46 Martin Schlander wrote:

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Torsdag den 13. september 2012 15:00:52 skrev Alin M Elena:

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Can we make a list of our goals for 12.3?

add your favourites..

* Include KDE Telepathy, SFLPhone (backend+KDE client), Kamoso and Knights in the official distribution.

* Include the necessary stuff for video thumbnails/previews in the default installation (assuming it works, unlike in the 4.8.5 update >:-)

* Evaluate Plasma Media Center for inclusion (tech preview?)

* Polishing and enhancing various KCMs - especially krandr (more relevant than ever now that the nvidia blob supports xrandr), File Associations (make it possible to change default app for a whole category of MIME- types in one step, e.g. "video", "txt", "audio" etc.)

* Print manager job applet (if printmanager doesn't get elegantly integrated into SC 4.10 upstream).

* A simple, smooth, reliable tool to notify about and install updates. Maybe a QML plasmoid talking with libzypp directly without layers of RH experiments and research projects inbetween.

* Use YaST to install local RPMs when clicked in Dolphin instead of Apper/PackageKit

* A (KDE) tool to set GTK3 theme (kde-gtk-config?)

* Make the default desktop not start Akonadi by default and make Akonadi not start/run when users don't have any PIM data

* Do a review of core/default KDE apps to make sure they're properly associated with all the MIME types they're actually capable of opening.

* Qt 5?

A worthy list, to which I would add everythign we didn't get done or drop for 12.2: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:KDE_feature_plan_12.2

* More polished display manager them, switchable userlist * Fix disable touchpad on typing * clean default notifications * disable useless ktip * check default window sizes are useful * print-manager? * netbook edition, Active? * clean the K menu! * fix default file associations * Fix Polkit systemsettings module * menu-in-titlebar mode

+1 I think revising the windows' sizes are very useful. Disabling the trackpad while typing, awesome. Do you think we can incorporate Open Sans and tweak the font's settings? Also, I see that there are a few things being worked on with the notification widget on KDE. Some plasma themes simply do not look great with it. Can we switch, until KDE notifications are set on a particular style, to using "colibri." Is is a very simple notification system and it integrates into KDE System Settings. My list would be 1. Switch to a different default font (open sans) 2. Change/add anti aliasing and forced dpi with full rgb subpixel rendering 3. Change notification system to colibri until KDE stabilizes its notification system, or make it look better with different plasma themes

This makes for a long list, but if we each take responsibility for items, and keep a tight meeting schedule to track progress and keep enthusiastic, it will get done.

Will

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Am Freitag, 14. September 2012, 14:07:22 schrieb Will Stephenson:

* More polished display manager them, switchable userlist

Actually that one is really easy when using LightDM-KDE. All that is needed to be done is to change the default wallpaper. That's it. LightDM-KDE has already been packaged by a SUSE employee: https://build.opensuse.org/project/packages?project=home%3Amlin7442

* netbook edition, Active?

The original plan for Plasma Active 3 was to rely only on an unpatched Platform 4.9. Considering that so far KPA3 is nowhere to be seen, it's IMO too early to tell.

* menu-in-titlebar mode

Anybody have an idea whether it is compatible with GNOME Shell's global menu? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

On Friday 14 September 2012 14.07:22 Will Stephenson wrote:

A worthy list, to which I would add everythign we didn't get done or drop for 12.2: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:KDE_feature_plan_12.2

* More polished display manager them, switchable userlist

Normally, at least it was developed like that kdm for 12.2 should not have a userlist by default to respect the view of security team like in 11.4 and 12.1 On 11.4 and 12.1 as the theme didn't contain any userlist nor domain field it was auto-wrongly-magically hidden. But this is setting is not in the branding but in kdm rpm and has to be fixed (our default is inverse compared to kde upstream) Then user with appropriate right (root) can use systemsetting kdm module and activate the userlist if he want. To be honest the userlist is a wart in the global kdm rendering for 12.2, it was just added to give users the choice to have it or not. So if someone in charge of kdm package could review and propose a fix for the default. and also get fixed in the right place the name theme which was fixed from SuSE to openSUSE. Thanks. -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Ambassador GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

I think it may also be time to move on from our default font and use something easier to read and render, like openSans font. It is a very complete font family. Also enable "forced dpi" and add sub-pixel rendering full rgb for it. Andy (anditosan) On Sep 13, 2012, at 3:20 PM, Luiz Fernando Ranghetti wrote:

2012/9/13 Alin M Elena :

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add your favourites..

regards, Alin

Hi,

Evaluate the use of oxygen-fonts on KDE

Regards,

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On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:39, Mathias Homann wrote:

Am Donnerstag, 13. September 2012, 15:00:52 schrieb Alin M Elena:

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* replace kopete by ktp

you mean replace one known and proven app with a humongous mess of applets, services, kcm modules, and what not else? and a lot of it is based on or requires nepomuk?

NO THANKS.

I tried to install the whole set of packages from KDE:Extra, turns out that one of them requires stuff that conflicts with others.

NO THANKS.

bye, MH

+1, just NOT working as it is now. Please for the sake of sanity: First: make sure it's clean (mess of conflicts), Second: simple (ONE point of config), Third: free of nepomuk (or get a unconditionally, absolute working nepomuk first) Fourth: get it out of Extra into main for at least one release, in parallel to kopete Fifth: Have you tried it in pure ipv6 env? mixed ipv4+ipv6 env? Happy debugging! Sixth: Documentation? Help? Support? Wiki? Where are they? As it is now (OSS12.2/KDE4.8.5): NO, not good enough. Maybe for 12.4. For 12.3 try getting it cleaned up enough for the move out of Extra. -- Yamaban. I trust irc. Proven. Known. Working. Esp. at cmd-line. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

Am Montag, 17. September 2012, 12:19:17 schrieb Alin M Elena:

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Unstable:/Playground:/Telepat hy/

"Unstable / Playground" should tell anyone enough already. In my personal opinion we should leave the decision about replacing kopete with telepathy to the KDE team... as in, not until THEY put it into kde4- network INSTEAD OF KOPETE. bye, MH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

Am Montag, 17. September 2012, 12:42:50 schrieb Alin M Elena:

as far as I know kopete is not maintained and for sure did not keep out with the developments in the IM world.

on wikipedia this sentence would have the "needs citation / reference" footnote... Last time I looked, kopete was still being developed and adapted to what's current in "the IM world". bye, MH -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

Am Montag, 17. September 2012, 14:42:29 schrieb Will Stephenson:

Kopete is also a humunguous mess, contains kcm modules, and additionally is unmaintained.

I think he means that KTP is (IMO needlessly) spread over a big number of packages. Last I checked, Skype integration did not work with KTP. KTP should definitively be part of the official repos. Whether to install it by default or not is a bit too early to decide. The current version is IMO not fit for being default. That may change with upcoming versions. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Mathias Homann wrote:

Am Montag, 17. September 2012, 15:59:26 schrieb Markus:

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Am Montag, 17. September 2012, 14:42:29 schrieb Will Stephenson:

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Kopete is also a humunguous mess, contains kcm modules, and additionally is unmaintained.

I think he means that KTP is (IMO needlessly) spread over a big number of packages.

no, i mean they are a dependency mess:

the package that contains the kcm module that is used to add IM accounts requires libpurple, but the package that contains the parts for videocalls requires a gstreamer module that is incompatible with libpurple... how can that even happen with two subpackages that are being built from the same spec file?

This problem only exists in openSUSE 12.1. The problem is that openSUSE 12.1 shipped versions of key libraries, like some gstreamer parts, that are below the minimum version needed to get ktp working. I included updated versions of the packages in KDE:Extra and that worked fine. However, a later update to one of those packages introduced conflicts with others. I am hesitant to pull in the entire purple stack as well. I will probably just disable the call ui for openSUSE 12.1 And the packages are not built from the same spec file, ktp ships each module as a separate tarball so they are all built separately.

add to that the fact that the names of the packages do not tell the average user which ones to install to get a working messenger solution,

It really shouldn't matter. If someone wants the call ui, they install that and it should automatically pull in what it needs. If someone wants to use filetransfers, they install that module and get what they need. We could have a pattern that pulls in all the packages, but that isn't really a fundamental limitation. -Todd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

On Friday 28 September 2012 17:25:28 Robert Smits wrote:

Fix the problems with the opensuse kde install of gnucash!!!!!

Both docs and guile.

I still fail to see the connection between kde and gnucash or guile. The last two packages (afaik) are not maintained by the KDE team. Regards Raymond -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

Please for 12.3 try to have more coherence with updates in Yast, zypper and Apper, for instance, remember the issue when Apper want to update KDE to 4.8.5 when people already have KDE 4.9. For instance, I install from OpenSuse KDE CD, many packages and language packs are missing , Apper does not offer me to install them, but the first time I open Yast Install/Remove Software, then it offer me to install all those missing packages automatically. Do we have Apper just for updates? wouldn't be better to use Yast Online Update instead? Please try to have more coherence between /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager and KDE Systemsettings -> Login Screen. 2012/9/29 Robert Smits :

On September 13, 2012 07:00:52 am Alin M Elena wrote:

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Hi There,

Will started a general philosophical discussion on the 12.3 deadline...

Can we make a list of our goals for 12.3?

Fix the problems with the opensuse kde install of gnucash!!!!!

Both docs and guile. -- Bob Smits "Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. NO is the answer." - Erik Naggum -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

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