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Rafael R. Pappalardo

25 Feb 2017 25 Feb '17

12:45

Hi, after upgrading to okular 16.12 from 16.08 I cannot find the way to choose the source of paper. In 16.08 it was under properties-advanced. Now in 16.12 under properties the place for advanced is ocuppied by "Job options" which does not offer the possibility to change the source of paper. Am I missing something? Thanks in advance for your help, Rafael -- Dr. Rafael R. Pappalardo Dept. Quimica Fisica, Fac. de Quimica, Univ. de Sevilla (Spain) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

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Patrick Shanahan

25 Feb 25 Feb

13:00

* Rafael R. Pappalardo [02-25-17 07:47]:

Hi, after upgrading to okular 16.12 from 16.08 I cannot find the way to choose the source of paper. In 16.08 it was under properties-advanced. Now in 16.12 under properties the place for advanced is ocuppied by "Job options" which does not offer the possibility to change the source of paper.

Am I missing something? Thanks in advance for your help,

Are you sure you mean "okular", a pdf/ps document viewer? I have never noticed a "source of paper" option offered. They do have a web site: http://okular.kde.org/ -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

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stakanov

13:16

In data sabato 25 febbraio 2017 08:00:05, Patrick Shanahan ha scritto:

* Rafael R. Pappalardo [02-25-17 07:47]:

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Hi, after upgrading to okular 16.12 from 16.08 I cannot find the way to choose the source of paper. In 16.08 it was under properties-advanced. Now in 16.12 under properties the place for advanced is ocuppied by "Job options" which does not offer the possibility to change the source of paper.

Am I missing something? Thanks in advance for your help,

Are you sure you mean "okular", a pdf/ps document viewer? I have never noticed a "source of paper" option offered. They do have a web site: http://okular.kde.org/ I was surprised that Okular page seems not have to been updated for a long time. This is presenting KDE 4.5.x? It is true that the papersize is offered for pdf (if you look) in Okular 4.14.25. I post you a screenshot Patrick.

http://paste.opensuse.org/26253907 I think this is what you are referring to? Try if it is available in "print to file". Another crucial picture that is missing IMO would be to expand to available paper size the content of a pdf (be it text or scanned as an immage). This is a real waste because who has bad eyes often has a real advantage in reading upsized characters. You have to other ways for paper size: in the printer setup and / or in the driver. In my case (a Lexmark) the firmware set astonishingly overrules the driver set paper size. So if your settings present formatting issues, make sure there are no conflicting settings between firmware and software. What is possible, is, that before you where in the printerdriver setup page. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

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stakanov

13:20

Oh, I think I found your problem: "Use Qt to detect the paper type and name."

From https://www.kde.org/announcements/fulllog_applications.php?version=16.12.0#o...

well, if this refers to the paper size....QT is always good for a surprise. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

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Patrick Shanahan

13:24

* stakanov [02-25-17 08:22]:

Oh, I think I found your problem:

"Use Qt to detect the paper type and name."

...
From https://www.kde.org/announcements/fulllog_applications.php?version=16.12.0#o...

well, if this refers to the paper size....QT is always good for a surprise.

not nearly as much as gtk#...., especially with the "#" being 3. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

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Rafael R. Pappalardo

18:11

Sorry for the confussion. My original question refers to a change between okular using KDE 16.08 and 16.12. After clicking print under the file menu I have the window with the printers, etc. At the right of the printers box there is the "properties" box. If I click it I get the image at the left under 16.08 and the image at the right under 16.12. I really don't know which printer component is using okular. I only changed the version using yast. Thanks again, Rafael On 25/02/2017 14:24, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* stakanov [02-25-17 08:22]:

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Oh, I think I found your problem:

"Use Qt to detect the paper type and name."

...
From https://www.kde.org/announcements/fulllog_applications.php?version=16.12.0#o...

well, if this refers to the paper size....QT is always good for a surprise.

not nearly as much as gtk#...., especially with the "#" being 3.

-- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo @ http://linuxcounter.net

Dr. Rafael R. Pappalardo Dept. Quimica Fisica, Fac. de Quimica, Univ. de Sevilla (Spain)

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Patrick Shanahan

18:23

* Rafael R. Pappalardo [02-25-17 13:12]:

Sorry for the confussion. My original question refers to a change between okular using KDE 16.08 and 16.12. After clicking print under the file menu I have the window with the printers, etc. At the right of the printers box there is the "properties" box. If I click it I get the image at the left under 16.08 and the image at the right under 16.12.

I really don't know which printer component is using okular. I only changed the version using yast.

Thanks again, Rafael

On 25/02/2017 14:24, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* stakanov [02-25-17 08:22]:

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Oh, I think I found your problem:

"Use Qt to detect the paper type and name."

...
From https://www.kde.org/announcements/fulllog_applications.php?version=16.12.0#o...

well, if this refers to the paper size....QT is always good for a surprise.

not nearly as much as gtk#...., especially with the "#" being 3.

-- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo @ http://linuxcounter.net

Dr. Rafael R. Pappalardo Dept. Quimica Fisica, Fac. de Quimica, Univ. de Sevilla (Spain)

and FIRST, very bad netiquette posting 157k to *everyone* on the list, especially with some having measured internet rates, and with only a few even interested in *this* particular problem. not top posting, trimming messages to only relevant information and removing signatures, etc, is also expected. it is called courtesy. (when in rome ...). again, what you display is related to your printer(s) and related software, *not* okular with this version or prior versions. however you control your printers provides the ability to change the way printed objects appear and what resources are used. your included images are part of this and come from your printer related software and is initiated by your request in okular to print. okular has handed it's information to the printer and the printer is asking you what to do with it and how to do it. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

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Rafael R. Pappalardo

18:55

On 25/02/2017 19:23, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

and FIRST, very bad netiquette posting 157k to *everyone* on the list, especially with some having measured internet rates, and with only a few even interested in *this* particular problem.

not top posting, trimming messages to only relevant information and removing signatures, etc, is also expected. it is called courtesy. (when in rome ...).

I apologize.

again, what you display is related to your printer(s) and related software, *not* okular with this version or prior versions.

I have changed no printer related software. I have just changed KDE from the one in Leap 42.2 to the one in the KDE repositories mentioned at https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KDE_repositories#KDE_Frameworks_5_.26_Plasma_5 and https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KDE_repositories#Updated_KDE_Applications_only For Applications I am using http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Applications/KDE_Frameworks5_... not the one at the previous web page which does not exist.

however you control your printers provides the ability to change the way printed objects appear and what resources are used. your included images are part of this and come from your printer related software and is initiated by your request in okular to print. okular has handed it's information to the printer and the printer is asking you what to do with it and how to do it.

From your information I understand that my question was wrongly formulated. Maybe it's better to say something like? Change in behaviour between KDE 16.08 and 16.12 in the way okular manages the use of printers. I apologize again for the inconveniences. --- Dr. Rafael R. Pappalardo Dept. Quimica Fisica, Fac. de Quimica, Univ. de Sevilla (Spain) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

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Patrick Shanahan

19:22

* Rafael R. Pappalardo [02-25-17 13:58]:

On 25/02/2017 19:23, Patrick Shanahan wrote: [...]

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again, what you display is related to your printer(s) and related software, *not* okular with this version or prior versions.

I have changed no printer related software. I have just changed KDE from the one in Leap 42.2 to the one in the KDE repositories mentioned at

https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KDE_repositories#KDE_Frameworks_5_.26_Plasma_5

and

https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KDE_repositories#Updated_KDE_Applications_only

For Applications I am using

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Applications/KDE_Frameworks5_...

not the one at the previous web page which does not exist.

so you have different kde

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however you control your printers provides the ability to change the way printed objects appear and what resources are used. your included images are part of this and come from your printer related software and is initiated by your request in okular to print. okular has handed it's information to the printer and the printer is asking you what to do with it and how to do it.

From your information I understand that my question was wrongly formulated. Maybe it's better to say something like?

Change in behaviour between KDE 16.08 and 16.12 in the way okular manages the use of printers.

again, okular does *not* manage the use of printers. okular sends it's output to the printer which receives it and requests from you what to do with it and how to do it. whatever is managing your printer has changed the display it uses to ask how you want okular's output handled. fwiw, I use hplip and see the same display on the right side image you provided. see: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~paka/Screenshot_20170225_141923.png but I am using tumbleweed/kde/plasma5 -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

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Rafael R. Pappalardo

19:37

On 25/02/2017 20:22, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

again, okular does *not* manage the use of printers. okular sends it's output to the printer which receives it and requests from you what to do with it and how to do it. whatever is managing your printer has changed the display it uses to ask how you want okular's output handled.

fwiw, I use hplip and see the same display on the right side image you provided. see: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~paka/Screenshot_20170225_141923.png

but I am using tumbleweed/kde/plasma5

-- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri

I see. Thanks for your help. I believe that the move from QT4 to QT5 is the source of the change. At least it's what I understand after reading http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/interest/2015-September/018692.html It has nothing to do with hplip or CUPS. Best regards, Rafael --- Dr. Rafael R. Pappalardo Dept. Quimica Fisica, Fac. de Quimica, Univ. de Sevilla (Spain) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

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stakanov

19:48

I see. Thanks for your help. I believe that the move from QT4 to QT5 is the source of the change. At least it's what I understand after reading

http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/interest/2015-September/018692.html

It has nothing to do with hplip or CUPS.

Best regards, Rafael --- Dr. Rafael R. Pappalardo Dept. Quimica Fisica, Fac. de Quimica, Univ. de Sevilla (Spain)

Thank you for the reading. Interesting. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

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Patrick Shanahan

21:00

* Rafael R. Pappalardo [02-25-17 14:38]:

On 25/02/2017 20:22, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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again, okular does *not* manage the use of printers. okular sends it's output to the printer which receives it and requests from you what to do with it and how to do it. whatever is managing your printer has changed the display it uses to ask how you want okular's output handled.

fwiw, I use hplip and see the same display on the right side image you provided. see: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~paka/Screenshot_20170225_141923.png

but I am using tumbleweed/kde/plasma5

-- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri

I see. Thanks for your help. I believe that the move from QT4 to QT5 is the source of the change. At least it's what I understand after reading

http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/interest/2015-September/018692.html

It has nothing to do with hplip or CUPS.

Best regards, Rafael --- Dr. Rafael R. Pappalardo Dept. Quimica Fisica, Fac. de Quimica, Univ. de Sevilla (Spain)

-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

I AM running qt5 for quite some time, but you are welcome to your thoughts. But, qt5 is not changing your print dialogue. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

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Carlos E. R.

22:19

On 2017-02-25 22:00, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Rafael R. Pappalardo <> [02-25-17 14:38]:

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I see. Thanks for your help. I believe that the move from QT4 to QT5 is the source of the change. At least it's what I understand after reading

http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/interest/2015-September/018692.html

It has nothing to do with hplip or CUPS.

I AM running qt5 for quite some time, but you are welcome to your thoughts. But, qt5 is not changing your print dialogue.

Surely the print dialogue is put by KDE/Plasma. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith))

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Patrick Shanahan

23:41

* Carlos E. R. [02-25-17 17:22]:

On 2017-02-25 22:00, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Rafael R. Pappalardo <> [02-25-17 14:38]:

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I see. Thanks for your help. I believe that the move from QT4 to QT5 is the source of the change. At least it's what I understand after reading

http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/interest/2015-September/018692.html

It has nothing to do with hplip or CUPS.

...
I AM running qt5 for quite some time, but you are welcome to your thoughts. But, qt5 is not changing your print dialogue.

Surely the print dialogue is put by KDE/Plasma.

if that is the case, why is my dialogue the same as his previous which he still wants to see. I do have qt5/plasma5/kde -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

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Carlos E. R.

26 Feb 26 Feb

00:19

On 2017-02-26 00:41, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Carlos E. R. <> [02-25-17 17:22]:

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On 2017-02-25 22:00, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Rafael R. Pappalardo <> [02-25-17 14:38]:

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I see. Thanks for your help. I believe that the move from QT4 to QT5 is the source of the change. At least it's what I understand after reading

http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/interest/2015-September/018692.html

It has nothing to do with hplip or CUPS.

...
I AM running qt5 for quite some time, but you are welcome to your thoughts. But, qt5 is not changing your print dialogue.

Surely the print dialogue is put by KDE/Plasma.

if that is the case, why is my dialogue the same as his previous which he still wants to see. I do have qt5/plasma5/kde

I don't know. But cups doesn't have dialogues on the desktop. It is either the desktop or the application. I don't "use" KDE, so I do not see what you see. On my main computer I have okular, but not on the laptop here. Ah, wait, I have access to a remote machine with KDE (42.2). Oh, but I do not have a printer defined: on the print dialogue, properties, the "advanced" tab is greyed out. Ok, I try with "konsole" on this laptop. Properties, and I see a "job options" dialogue. It is true, no place to choose the source of the paper, aka paper tray. Same thing on the remote server. Guessing, the desktop (KDE, its libraries) does have a print dialogue which applications can call, possibly with different options to show some components or not. It is possible that more than one version of the dialogue call exist. You see, konsole and okular in my machines display slightly different dialogues. Ok, found one. KDE help center. On the laptop, I do get the "advanced" tab, and in it I can select printer all options. I mean all the options my printer has. On the remote, same thing, but greyed out. So some programs show a different version of the print dialogue. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith))

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Rafael R. Pappalardo

07:40

On 26/02/2017 01:19, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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if that is the case, why is my dialogue the same as his previous which he still wants to see. I do have qt5/plasma5/kde

I don't know. But cups doesn't have dialogues on the desktop. It is either the desktop or the application. I don't "use" KDE, so I do not see what you see.

On my main computer I have okular, but not on the laptop here. Ah, wait, I have access to a remote machine with KDE (42.2). Oh, but I do not have a printer defined: on the print dialogue, properties, the "advanced" tab is greyed out.

Ok, I try with "konsole" on this laptop. Properties, and I see a "job options" dialogue. It is true, no place to choose the source of the paper, aka paper tray. Same thing on the remote server.

Guessing, the desktop (KDE, its libraries) does have a print dialogue which applications can call, possibly with different options to show some components or not. It is possible that more than one version of the dialogue call exist. You see, konsole and okular in my machines display slightly different dialogues.

Ok, found one. KDE help center. On the laptop, I do get the "advanced" tab, and in it I can select printer all options. I mean all the options my printer has. On the remote, same thing, but greyed out.

So some programs show a different version of the print dialogue.

On my system with vanilla OpenSuse Leap 42.2 okular uses (from ldd /usr/bin/okular): libQtGui.so.4 => /usr/lib64/libQtGui.so.4 (0x00002b863c859000) libQtCore.so.4 => /usr/lib64/libQtCore.so.4 (0x00002b863d9de000) libQtDBus.so.4 => /usr/lib64/libQtDBus.so.4 (0x00002b863deca000) libQtXml.so.4 => /usr/lib64/libQtXml.so.4 (0x00002b863e874000) libQtNetwork.so.4 => /usr/lib64/libQtNetwork.so.4 (0x00002b863eaba000) libQtSvg.so.4 => /usr/lib64/libQtSvg.so.4 (0x00002b863edff000) libdbusmenu-qt.so.2 => /usr/lib64/libdbusmenu-qt.so.2 (0x00002b8640af3000) and the advanced option is present. On another system using the repositories previously mentioned to get KDE 16.12 okular uses: libQt5Widgets.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5Widgets.so.5 (0x00002b59af1e3000) libQt5Gui.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5Gui.so.5 (0x00002b59afa30000) libQt5DBus.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5DBus.so.5 (0x00002b59b0132000) libQt5Core.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5Core.so.5 (0x00002b59b03b6000) libQt5Xml.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5Xml.so.5 (0x00002b59b1929000) libQt5Network.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5Network.so.5 (0x00002b59b1b67000) libQt5PrintSupport.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5PrintSupport.so.5 (0x00002b59b22fd000) libQt5X11Extras.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5X11Extras.so.5 (0x00002b59b2ea7000) libQt5Svg.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5Svg.so.5 (0x00002b59b6989000) and the "Job options" is present instead of the advanced one. konsole and help center also have the "Job options" in the latest system. At the vanilla system konsole uses QT5 libraries, that will explain the behaviour you find. My conclusion is that if the program is ported to QT5 no "Advanced" dialog. Could you check this for me? It's just a matter of doing ldd "path/program" |grep -i qt One more example, qpdfview on the PC whith KDE 16.08 uses the QT4 libraries and the "Advanced" dialog is present. Thanks in advance, Rafael --- Dr. Rafael R. Pappalardo Dept. Quimica Fisica, Fac. de Quimica, Univ. de Sevilla (Spain) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

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Carlos E. R.

12:37

On 2017-02-26 08:40, Rafael R. Pappalardo wrote:

On 26/02/2017 01:19, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Guessing, the desktop (KDE, its libraries) does have a print dialogue which applications can call, possibly with different options to show some components or not. It is possible that more than one version of the dialogue call exist. You see, konsole and okular in my machines display slightly different dialogues.

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Ok, found one. KDE help center. On the laptop, I do get the "advanced" tab, and in it I can select printer all options. I mean all the options my printer has. On the remote, same thing, but greyed out.

So some programs show a different version of the print dialogue.

...

My conclusion is that if the program is ported to QT5 no "Advanced" dialog.

Could you check this for me? It's just a matter of doing

ldd "path/program" |grep -i qt

Ok, I assume konsole, kwrite, khelp... Ok, I have okular in one machine. cer@minas-tirith:~> ldd `which konsole` | grep -i qt libQt5Widgets.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5Widgets.so.5 (0x00007f745a7fa000) libQt5Gui.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5Gui.so.5 (0x00007f745a0a4000) libQt5Core.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5Core.so.5 (0x00007f7459752000) libQt5PrintSupport.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5PrintSupport.so.5 (0x00007f7458ac0000) libQt5DBus.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5DBus.so.5 (0x00007f7457bb8000) libQt5Network.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5Network.so.5 (0x00007f7457860000) libQt5Xml.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5Xml.so.5 (0x00007f7457623000) libphonon4qt5.so.4 => /usr/lib64/libphonon4qt5.so.4 (0x00007f74573a6000) libQt5X11Extras.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5X11Extras.so.5 (0x00007f74571a2000) libQt5Svg.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5Svg.so.5 (0x00007f7456012000) libdbusmenu-qt5.so.2 => /usr/lib64/libdbusmenu-qt5.so.2 (0x00007f7453252000) cer@minas-tirith:~> ldd `which kwrite` | grep -i qt libQt5Widgets.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5Widgets.so.5 (0x00007f66838f5000) libQt5Gui.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5Gui.so.5 (0x00007f66831a0000) libQt5Core.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5Core.so.5 (0x00007f6682ae0000) libQt5Script.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5Script.so.5 (0x00007f6681f3c000) libQt5PrintSupport.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5PrintSupport.so.5 (0x00007f6681130000) libQt5Xml.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5Xml.so.5 (0x00007f667ff73000) libQt5X11Extras.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5X11Extras.so.5 (0x00007f667f3dc000) libQt5DBus.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5DBus.so.5 (0x00007f667ee1c000) libQt5Network.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5Network.so.5 (0x00007f667e36f000) libQt5Svg.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5Svg.so.5 (0x00007f667ac9f000) cer@minas-tirith:~> cer@minas-tirith:~> ldd `which khelpcenter` | grep -i qt libQtXml.so.4 => /usr/lib64/libQtXml.so.4 (0x00007fe2ebd45000) libQtCore.so.4 => /usr/lib64/libQtCore.so.4 (0x00007fe2ea402000) libQtDBus.so.4 => /usr/lib64/libQtDBus.so.4 (0x00007fe2ea185000) libQtGui.so.4 => /usr/lib64/libQtGui.so.4 (0x00007fe2e94c4000) libQtNetwork.so.4 => /usr/lib64/libQtNetwork.so.4 (0x00007fe2e7a74000) libQtSvg.so.4 => /usr/lib64/libQtSvg.so.4 (0x00007fe2e7307000) libdbusmenu-qt.so.2 => /usr/lib64/libdbusmenu-qt.so.2 (0x00007fe2e5c76000) cer@minas-tirith:~> cer@Isengard:~> ldd `which okular` | grep -i qt libQtGui.so.4 => /usr/lib64/libQtGui.so.4 (0x00007f429ac86000) libQtCore.so.4 => /usr/lib64/libQtCore.so.4 (0x00007f429a2d5000) libQtDBus.so.4 => /usr/lib64/libQtDBus.so.4 (0x00007f429a058000) libQtXml.so.4 => /usr/lib64/libQtXml.so.4 (0x00007f42996eb000) libQtNetwork.so.4 => /usr/lib64/libQtNetwork.so.4 (0x00007f42993a5000) libQtSvg.so.4 => /usr/lib64/libQtSvg.so.4 (0x00007f429914d000) libdbusmenu-qt.so.2 => /usr/lib64/libdbusmenu-qt.so.2 (0x00007f4297481000) cer@Isengard:~> I have to agree. qt4 apps show different dialogue.

One more example, qpdfview on the PC whith KDE 16.08 uses the QT4 libraries and the "Advanced" dialog is present.

I don't have it installed.

Dr. Rafael R. Pappalardo Dept. Quimica Fisica, Fac. de Quimica, Univ. de Sevilla (Spain)

:-) Saludos temporales desde Madrid -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith))

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Patrick Shanahan

13:26

* Carlos E. R. [01-01-70 12:34]:

On 2017-02-26 00:41, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Carlos E. R. <> [02-25-17 17:22]:

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On 2017-02-25 22:00, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Rafael R. Pappalardo <> [02-25-17 14:38]:

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I see. Thanks for your help. I believe that the move from QT4 to QT5 is the source of the change. At least it's what I understand after reading

http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/interest/2015-September/018692.html

It has nothing to do with hplip or CUPS.

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I AM running qt5 for quite some time, but you are welcome to your thoughts. But, qt5 is not changing your print dialogue.

Surely the print dialogue is put by KDE/Plasma.

if that is the case, why is my dialogue the same as his previous which he still wants to see. I do have qt5/plasma5/kde

I don't know. But cups doesn't have dialogues on the desktop. It is either the desktop or the application. I don't "use" KDE, so I do not see what you see.

On my main computer I have okular, but not on the laptop here. Ah, wait, I have access to a remote machine with KDE (42.2). Oh, but I do not have a printer defined: on the print dialogue, properties, the "advanced" tab is greyed out.

Ok, I try with "konsole" on this laptop. Properties, and I see a "job options" dialogue. It is true, no place to choose the source of the paper, aka paper tray. Same thing on the remote server.

I have an option to select "tray" for my hp officejet pro 8620 using hplip but it doesn't come from okular. It is a separate option for the printer which only has one tray and would not make sense to appear on the dialogue for printer settings for an accepted print job: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~paka/Snapshot-2017-0226-081210.png

Guessing, the desktop (KDE, its libraries) does have a print dialogue which applications can call, possibly with different options to show some components or not. It is possible that more than one version of the dialogue call exist. You see, konsole and okular in my machines display slightly different dialogues.

Ok, found one. KDE help center. On the laptop, I do get the "advanced" tab, and in it I can select printer all options. I mean all the options my printer has. On the remote, same thing, but greyed out.

So some programs show a different version of the print dialogue.

I am using Tw, plasma5/qt5/kde ldd `which okular` |grep -i qt libQt5Widgets.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5Widgets.so.5 (0x00007fca8ec70000) libQt5Gui.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5Gui.so.5 (0x00007fca8e52f000) libQt5DBus.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5DBus.so.5 (0x00007fca8e2a2000) libQt5Core.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5Core.so.5 (0x00007fca8dbd2000) libQt5Xml.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5Xml.so.5 (0x00007fca8cacb000) libQt5Network.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5Network.so.5 (0x00007fca8c760000) libQt5PrintSupport.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5PrintSupport.so.5 (0x00007fca8c0ce000) libQt5X11Extras.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5X11Extras.so.5 (0x00007fca8b57e000) libQt5Svg.so.5 => /usr/lib64/libQt5Svg.so.5 (0x00007fca87a27000) -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

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13:37

On 2017-02-26 14:26, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Carlos E. R. <> [01-01-70 12:34]:

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Ok, I try with "konsole" on this laptop. Properties, and I see a "job options" dialogue. It is true, no place to choose the source of the paper, aka paper tray. Same thing on the remote server.

I have an option to select "tray" for my hp officejet pro 8620 using hplip but it doesn't come from okular. It is a separate option for the printer which only has one tray and would not make sense to appear on the dialogue for printer settings for an accepted print job: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~paka/Snapshot-2017-0226-081210.png

Yes, but that is a separate dialogue, and not a system one, but for a specific brand of printers. You can achieve similar results on the cups control web page. And also on the CLI. The problem with this is that you can not select the tray for a particular job. My printer has an automatic feed tray and a manual tray. Say you want to print a letter and the envelope, two jobs. They need to go to different trays. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith))

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* Carlos E. R. [02-26-17 08:38]:

On 2017-02-26 14:26, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Carlos E. R. <> [01-01-70 12:34]:

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Ok, I try with "konsole" on this laptop. Properties, and I see a "job options" dialogue. It is true, no place to choose the source of the paper, aka paper tray. Same thing on the remote server.

I have an option to select "tray" for my hp officejet pro 8620 using hplip but it doesn't come from okular. It is a separate option for the printer which only has one tray and would not make sense to appear on the dialogue for printer settings for an accepted print job: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~paka/Snapshot-2017-0226-081210.png

Yes, but that is a separate dialogue, and not a system one, but for a specific brand of printers. You can achieve similar results on the cups control web page. And also on the CLI.

The problem with this is that you can not select the tray for a particular job. My printer has an automatic feed tray and a manual tray. Say you want to print a letter and the envelope, two jobs. They need to go to different trays.

and you do not have a dialogue to specify which tray should be used? I understand you may have only a "system wide" setting, but it can be set and the job performed, and then unset? I believe I have seen this option offered in the past but have been too long with a printer having only one tray, that I have not noticed a "missing" option to select a tray. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

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On 26/02/2017 14:50, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

and you do not have a dialogue to specify which tray should be used? I understand you may have only a "system wide" setting, but it can be set and the job performed, and then unset?

I believe I have seen this option offered in the past but have been too long with a printer having only one tray, that I have not noticed a "missing" option to select a tray. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri

The option to select the tray was eliminated in QT5. No application compiled against Qt5 libraries can offer specific printer options. You can have a look at http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/interest/2017-January/025970.html --- Dr. Rafael R. Pappalardo Dept. Quimica Fisica, Fac. de Quimica, Univ. de Sevilla (Spain) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

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The one I want to see is the one on the left (version 16.08). The one you see is the same I see when using 16.12 aka QT5. On 26/02/2017 00:41, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Carlos E. R. [02-25-17 17:22]:

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On 2017-02-25 22:00, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Rafael R. Pappalardo <> [02-25-17 14:38]:

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I see. Thanks for your help. I believe that the move from QT4 to QT5 is the source of the change. At least it's what I understand after reading

http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/interest/2015-September/018692.html

It has nothing to do with hplip or CUPS.

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I AM running qt5 for quite some time, but you are welcome to your thoughts. But, qt5 is not changing your print dialogue.

Surely the print dialogue is put by KDE/Plasma.

if that is the case, why is my dialogue the same as his previous which he still wants to see. I do have qt5/plasma5/kde

-- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo @ http://linuxcounter.net

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On 2017-02-26 08:28, Rafael R. Pappalardo wrote:

The one I want to see is the one on the left (version 16.08). The one you see is the same I see when using 16.12 aka QT5.

left/right... where? Where is the photo? :-? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith))

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On 26/02/2017 13:25, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2017-02-26 08:28, Rafael R. Pappalardo wrote:

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The one I want to see is the one on the left (version 16.08). The one you see is the same I see when using 16.12 aka QT5.

left/right... where? Where is the photo? :-?

http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww238/rafaelpap/Screenshot_20170225_18585... --- Dr. Rafael R. Pappalardo Dept. Quimica Fisica, Fac. de Quimica, Univ. de Sevilla (Spain) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

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On 2017-02-26 13:40, Rafael R. Pappalardo wrote:

On 26/02/2017 13:25, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2017-02-26 08:28, Rafael R. Pappalardo wrote:

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The one I want to see is the one on the left (version 16.08). The one you see is the same I see when using 16.12 aka QT5.

left/right... where? Where is the photo? :-?

http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww238/rafaelpap/Screenshot_20170225_18585...

Ah, I see. I am using XFCE (I use some KDE apps, just not the desktop), so I can't check this. Do you get a printer applet somewhere? If so, does it have such options as paper tray? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" (Minas Tirith))

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* stakanov [02-25-17 08:17]:

In data sabato 25 febbraio 2017 08:00:05, Patrick Shanahan ha scritto:

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* Rafael R. Pappalardo [02-25-17 07:47]:

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Hi, after upgrading to okular 16.12 from 16.08 I cannot find the way to choose the source of paper. In 16.08 it was under properties-advanced. Now in 16.12 under properties the place for advanced is ocuppied by "Job options" which does not offer the possibility to change the source of paper.

Am I missing something? Thanks in advance for your help,

Are you sure you mean "okular", a pdf/ps document viewer? I have never noticed a "source of paper" option offered. They do have a web site: http://okular.kde.org/ I was surprised that Okular page seems not have to been updated for a long time. This is presenting KDE 4.5.x? It is true that the papersize is offered for pdf (if you look) in Okular 4.14.25. I post you a screenshot Patrick.

http://paste.opensuse.org/26253907

I think this is what you are referring to? Try if it is available in "print to file". Another crucial picture that is missing IMO would be to expand to available paper size the content of a pdf (be it text or scanned as an immage). This is a real waste because who has bad eyes often has a real advantage in reading upsized characters. You have to other ways for paper size: in the printer setup and / or in the driver. In my case (a Lexmark) the firmware set astonishingly overrules the driver set paper size. So if your settings present formatting issues, make sure there are no conflicting settings between firmware and software. What is possible, is, that before you where in the printerdriver setup page.

But this is not "okular" but whatever intermediary you have installed to handle printing, cups, hplip, .... okular is a viewer, and presents a "view" of the file wrapped or unwrapped paged to fit your chosen display. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

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