It's not related to KDE 3.5, but I miss backporting KMix from 4.5 which contains PulseAudio support. Does it count?

Not really, as it is an issue that has already been fixed in a coming KDE release. But if you do know of any features missing from KDE 3 that are not in KDE 4.4, or things that are broken or not intuitive in KDE 4, then I'd love to hear about them. Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

Am Mittwoch, 7. April 2010 11:39:45 schrieb Rafał Miłecki:

W dniu 7 kwietnia 2010 11:12 użytkownik Dotan Cohen

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It's not related to KDE 3.5, but I miss backporting KMix from 4.5 which contains PulseAudio support. Does it count?

Not really, as it is an issue that has already been fixed in a coming KDE release. But if you do know of any features missing from KDE 3 that are not in KDE 4.4, or things that are broken or not intuitive in KDE 4, then I'd love to hear about them.

This one should count :) "Manual hiding of panel" https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158556

I really miss this feature.

you mean with that slide into one corner button? i think bille actually implemented that for 4.5 karsten -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

This one should count :) "Manual hiding of panel" https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158556

I really miss this feature.

Yes, it certainly counts! The bug is there and the main Plasma dev now supports the feature. Just waiting on someone to code it, as Aaron does not plan on doing it himself. -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

On 7 April 2010 12:46, Alvise wrote:

Maybe not related to KDE3, however I wouldn't mind some options to configure Kickoff:

There is no kickoff in KDE4, maybe you mean the Plasma panel?

- Possibility to Add/Hide/Configure tabs

Tabs in the panel? Could you please be more specific?

- Configure icons sizes

Each toolbar lets the user configure the icon sizes and there is a global option for it in System Settings. What icons can you not resize? Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 07 April 2010 13:15:22 Alvise wrote:

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Maybe not related to KDE3, however I wouldn't mind some options to configure Kickoff: There is no kickoff in KDE4, maybe you mean the Plasma panel?

I do not mean Kicker, that was replaced with plasma panel Unless its name was dropped, I mean kickoff the "Applications menu launcher" as seen in the attached image.

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- Possibility to Add/Hide/Configure tabs

Tabs in the panel? Could you please be more specific?

The image attached to this mail shows what I call tabs in the application launcher

Ok, but that's a missing feature, not a regression vs KDE3. IT would still be nice to have.

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- Configure icons sizes

Each toolbar lets the user configure the icon sizes and there is a global option for it in System Settings. What icons can you not resize?

The icons sizes in the application launcher do not follow systemsettings. Also, "name under icons" do not follow systemsettings

Also an inconsistency, but not a regression. Will -- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 07 April 2010 05:15:54 Dotan Cohen wrote:

Dotan Cohen

The one thing that really annoys me is the inability to start kwrite as root when in File Manager as Super User. For example, in Kde3 if you opened Konqueror as root and clicked on a file it would open in Kwrite and you could modify and save that file. Now if you try it, it says cant start Kwrite. I read some nonsense that it was a security thing, but it seems to me if I can come up with my root password for the file manager, I should be able to start Kwrite from there, instead of having to bring up a terminal as root to start kwrite. It's annoying enough to make a guy go back to kde3 or Gnome. Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 07 April 2010 07:05:54 Martin Schlander wrote:

I think the best workaround currently is installing krusader, and using the superuser krusader - since opening stuff in kwrite works there.

I wish I had known that a few days ago.. I got so frustrated I deleted all kde4 and went back to 3. Maybe a few iterations down the road I'll try again. Thanks, Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

Hi, What about socks support? I can't believe it's not planned even for 4.5. http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.5_Feature_Plan#kdenetwork m. On St 7. Apríl 2010 18:53:32 Felix Miata wrote:

On 2010/04/07 11:51 (GMT+0300) Dotan Cohen composed:

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This is now empty on the two mirrors I checked. Is this a temporary condition? If so, is there an ETA on population there? KDE4.4.x is still not a suitable replacement for KDE3 here.

I file bugs and feature requests for KDE.

I know. I have you set to "watch" on bugs.kde.org. :-)

I file bugs for openSUSE, Mandriva, Fedora & Kubuntu, feature requests for openSUSE and Mandriva, and on rare occasions a bug or feature request for KDE.

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While I agree that KDE 3.5.10 does have some advantages over KDE 4, I am interested in knowing which features are missing for you in KDE 4.4. My goal is only to improve KDE 4 to fit your needs, not to try to convince you, so if you just let me know what is missing, not working right, or not intuitive in KDE 4 I will help get it fixed.

I laud your activity. Mine doesn't permit that much time to be devoted to KDE4 per se. My routine work is done in OS/2 (extensive email, DOS database, text & image editing, web searches) and openSUSE 11.0/KDE3 (file & web hosting, web site testing, web data lookups, IRC). My ad hoc testing of devel versions of Linux operating systems has gotten more complex in the past couple of years due to some major paradigm changes overpowering the more subtle evolution that preceded it: smbfs->cifs, ide->libata, KDE3->KDE4, xrandr/autodetect, DPI forcing to 96 or not, kms, sysvinit replacement, & Grub2. Thus it's hard to get specific about KDE4. Things that come to mind I think have all been covered here and/or on *@kde.org lists, but here's a non-exhaustive list of things that come to mind (which mary or may not be working/available in KDE3):

1-repeatable sizing of panel height (impossible via KDE4 drag; easy in KDE3 via KControl)

2-manual hiding of panel

3-default panel height and icon size are not auto adjusted larger for higher DPIs

4-mc missing from Konsole menu

5-mc doesn't automatically restart when left open in Konsole on logging out

6-file pickers stink compared to https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104501#c2

7-various windows do not reopen to size at last closing

8-tree view for "systemsettings" is neither default nor a traditional tree view

9-YaST -> _system_ settings; personal settings -> personal desktop config settings

10-all of panel should be configurable via personal desktop config settings (similar to KDE3)

11-plasma - I can't logically associate my understanding of the word's natural meaning with what it applies to in KDE4 (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plasma 1, 2, 5)

12-akonadi - overhead that that cannot be turned off even though I use nothing that depends on it (Mozillas for web; mc for file management & searching; OS/2 for contacts)

13-distinction between general and advanced classification of objects in systemsettings is difficult to ascertain

14-keyboard/mouse seems more like "look & feel" (personal) than "computer administration" (YaST)

15-why are "input actions" and "keyboard & mouse" two separate things? Seems like they should either be 3 things or 1 thing.

Enough for now. :-p -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

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1-repeatable sizing of panel height (impossible via KDE4 drag; easy in KDE3 via KControl)

There is a feature request for this.  In the meantime you can edit your plasma config file, although I know this is not a good solution.

Yes, _please_ comment on that bug, it needs support: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163875

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3-default panel height and icon size are not auto adjusted larger for higher DPIs

This sounds like a bug.

There will be a new way to set default panels soon: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2010/04/solving-little-problem-with-slightly.html

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4-mc missing from Konsole menu

5-mc doesn't automatically restart when left open in Konsole on logging out

Make a new profile named mc (or anything you like) with the command being /usr/bin/mc and (optionally) set it as the default.  For some reason switching to the profile using right-click doesn't work, you need to select it from the "file" menu which will make a new tab with mc in it.

You might want to comment here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=204922

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6-file pickers stink compared to https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104501#c2

That would be nice, but you can add and remove folders from the places panel pretty easily and the application launcher keeps a list of recently-used documents at least.

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7-various windows do not reopen to size at last closing

Right click on the title bar, click "advanced", "special window settings" "geometry", check "size" and set it to "remember".

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8-tree view for "systemsettings" is neither default nor a traditional tree view

It is not default because it is considered less intuitivefor ordinary users, and advanced users can change it easily enough.  It is designed to mimic the 3.5 tree view, whether that is traditional or not is irrelevant to the purpose of the

How would you like the tree view to be improved? Make a suggestion!

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9-YaST -> _system_ settings; personal settings -> personal desktop config settings

Isn't YaST a root application?  Wouldn't changing personal settings there change the root user's settings?  You can open YaST from system settings, though (or personal settings, I guess, since opensuse renamed it for some reason).

That is a Suse issue, not a KDE issue. Well, we are on the Suse list, but if you want that changed then it needs to be filed with Suse.

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10-all of panel should be configurable via personal desktop config settings (similar to KDE3)

Which panel?  You can have an unlimited number of panels.  Which one would you configure in system settings?  If you can configure multiple panels, how would you identify them?

I think that he means that there should be one dialogue for configuring all the panels, with a dropdown box for selecting each panel. This is how KDE 3 had it, but I fail to see what advantage this approach has.

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11-plasma - I can't logically associate my understanding of the word's natural meaning with what it applies to in KDE4 (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plasma 1, 2, 5)

It's just a name.  What does "konqueror" or "kicker", or "nautilus", "gnome", "apple" or "acrobat" for that matter, have to do with what the application does?

I have a similar problem with Gimp.

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12-akonadi - overhead that that cannot be turned off even though I use nothing that depends on it (Mozillas for web; mc for file management & searching; OS/2 for contacts)

Can't you just not install the KDE pim applications?

Even if KDE-PIM is installed, Akonadi is not started unless one of the apps is started.

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13-distinction between general and advanced classification of objects in systemsettings is difficult to ascertain

Yes, I think this is going away for 4.5 (or at the very least being divided better) as part of a general reorganization of system settings.

This is being discussed now on the kde-usability list.

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14-keyboard/mouse seems more like "look & feel" (personal) than "computer administration" (YaST)

I think this is going in a general "Hardware" category for 4.5 if I recall correctly.  Criticisms of the current system settings layout are not really relevant come 4.5.

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15-why are "input actions" and "keyboard & mouse" two separate things? Seems like they should either be 3 things or 1 thing.

Also being fixed for 4.5, I believe.

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On 8 April 2010 01:44, David Herman wrote:

On Wednesday 07 April 2010, Dotan Cohen wrote:

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On 7 April 2010 05:42, Felix Miata wrote:

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This is now empty on the two mirrors I checked. Is this a temporary condition? If so, is there an ETA on population there? KDE4.4.x is still not a suitable replacement for KDE3 here.

I file bugs and feature requests for KDE. While I agree that KDE 3.5.10 does have some advantages over KDE 4, I am interested in knowing which features are missing for you in KDE 4.4. My goal is only to improve KDE 4 to fit your needs, not to try to convince you, so if you just let me know what is missing, not working right, or not intuitive in KDE 4 I will help get it fixed.

Thank you for asking this question, I think my biggest issue currently is the way adding applications to the panel works. I know about quickstart but it does not allow much control over the placement and organization of the applications you add to it.

The last time I tried to add an application to a panel (particularly any panel other than the main one) I had to:

       unlock widgets,        set the desired panel to NOT autohide,        right click on the desktop and select Add Widget,        find and add the Lancelot widget using the horizontal scroller,        drag an icon from the Lancelot widget to the panel,        maybe add a spacer or two in order to place the icon where I want it,        remove the Lancelot widget,        turn autohide back on,        lock widgets.

I guess I shouldn't feel to bad the kde3.5 method required        Left click the icon I desire in the k-menu        drag it to the desired panel and release it        select add to panel

Perhaps I'm missing something but that seems easier.

Ideally I would like to drag an icon to any panel (not just the "main" panel which I think KDE4 may allow), drop it and be asked if I want to add the icon there.

My only other difficulty right now is with the way widgets are added in general, the horizontal slide thing is way to slow, the old scrolling window style would be a nice option if it is possible.

Thanks. Please comment on the usability of the panel here: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=205402 -- Dotan Cohen http://bido.com http://what-is-what.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org

torsdag 08 april 2010 08.29.11 skrev Alvise:

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Don't know if it was implemented in 4.4 or 4.5

but in kde 3.5 we have kprinter and we can drap & drop file to it to print them directly without opening the application. It was a great feature to print in one shot multiple files. ( This mimic the same behaviour as osx & windows )

I've never find a way to do this in 4x version.

The whole printing is a regression in SC4 vs KDE3:

there is some work done here; http://dantti.wordpress.com/2010/03/15/printprogress/ not sure what it will provide and when.

- it is not possible to save user-defined defaults - the parameters are not passed to cups (at least reverse printing and margin sizes) - an icon or something indicating the status of the job might also be useful

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