Upgrading to KDE 3.11
Hi! I'm using SuSE8.1 professional and the version of KDE that came with this distribution followed by an online update with YAST. Consequently, most of the KDE modules are version 3.0.4. The whole system is very stable. At the moment it has been up for 41 days and during that time I've installed and uninstalled lots of things with absolutely no problems. I am particularly pleased about this stability as I have of recent times moved over from win98SE. I want to be a user of the programs that run under linux rather than spending my time tinkering with the innards of linux - although in the last 3 months I've done quite a bit of that. I want a stable, secure system that enables me to work more productively. Newer versions of KDE and other programs are appearing very frequently but I've noticed that many people seem to have teething problems with the newer versions. Although I would like to have access to a number of the new features in KDE3.1 and 3.11 will I be risking my new found stablity if I upgrade? I guess my questions are: 1) If I want to keep the stablity should I wait and upgrade the distribution which will include the lastest version of KDE? 2) If its thought that it is safe to upgrade to 3.1 then what is the recommended method/route? 3) Given that it is OK to upgrade should I upgrade to KDE3.1 and then upgrade to 3.11 or can one jump from 3.0.4 to 3.11? Any thoughts, comments, or answers will be gratefully received. John
I would recommend looking at apt4rpm, worked fine for me. Tom On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Dr John Satherley wrote:
Hi! I'm using SuSE8.1 professional and the version of KDE that came with this distribution followed by an online update with YAST. Consequently, most of the KDE modules are version 3.0.4. The whole system is very stable. At the moment it has been up for 41 days and during that time I've installed and uninstalled lots of things with absolutely no problems. I am particularly pleased about this stability as I have of recent times moved over from win98SE. I want to be a user of the programs that run under linux rather than spending my time tinkering with the innards of linux - although in the last 3 months I've done quite a bit of that. I want a stable, secure system that enables me to work more productively. Newer versions of KDE and other programs are appearing very frequently but I've noticed that many people seem to have teething problems with the newer versions. Although I would like to have access to a number of the new features in KDE3.1 and 3.11 will I be risking my new found stablity if I upgrade?
I guess my questions are:
1) If I want to keep the stablity should I wait and upgrade the distribution which will include the lastest version of KDE?
2) If its thought that it is safe to upgrade to 3.1 then what is the recommended method/route?
3) Given that it is OK to upgrade should I upgrade to KDE3.1 and then upgrade to 3.11 or can one jump from 3.0.4 to 3.11?
Any thoughts, comments, or answers will be gratefully received.
John
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Hi John!
1) If I want to keep the stablity should I wait and upgrade the distribution which will include the lastest version of KDE?
If you update your KDE, it will be as stable as with SuSE 8.2 But I'm rather sure, you have to tweak it here and there a bit and you could have some very small drawbacks (nothing serious like yast modules will not work from KDE control center and so yast must be startet seperately if wanted). If you are a somewhat experienced linux user, then you will survive and get a good KDE 3.1.1. If not, I suggest you get SuSE 8.2. You will have much more than only a new KDE.
2) If its thought that it is safe to upgrade to 3.1 then what is the recommended method/route?
There are some methods around, choose your poison. I prefer to install the RPM packages by hand and install with "rpm -Uvh file.rpm". You have to look for all KDE packages, and at best you uninstall all of them, get the new ones and install kdebase3 and then choose from the others what you like to have. But I have SuSE 7.3 and I heard of a better way for SuSE 8.1 using yast (but I'm not sure, if this is working. search the archive for that).
3) Given that it is OK to upgrade should I upgrade to KDE3.1 and then upgrade to 3.11 or can one jump from 3.0.4 to 3.11?
You never have to make more than one update on linux. These are no differetial updates, it contains the full version with every single file. Get the last ones and you will be happy. Greets, Daniel
* Daniel Eckl (daniel.eckl@gmx.de) [030327 08:52]: -> ->But I'm rather sure, you have to tweak it here and there a bit and you could ->have some very small drawbacks (nothing serious like yast modules will not ->work from KDE control center and so yast must be startet seperately if ->wanted). -> I'm not sure why this doesn't work for you in KDE 3.1.1 but it seems to work fine for me. Are you saying that it won't work in 7.3 or in KDE 3.1.1 in general? -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I'll tell you what you should see.
Am Donnerstag, 27. März 2003 20:21 schrieb Ben Rosenberg:
* Daniel Eckl (daniel.eckl@gmx.de) [030327 08:52]: -> ->But I'm rather sure, you have to tweak it here and there a bit and you could ->have some very small drawbacks (nothing serious like yast modules will not ->work from KDE control center and so yast must be startet seperately if ->wanted). ->
I'm not sure why this doesn't work for you in KDE 3.1.1 but it seems to work fine for me. Are you saying that it won't work in 7.3 or in KDE 3.1.1 in general?
No. Not the first nor the second. I am saying: "you _could have_ some very small drawbacks" Reason: Some people _had_ the named drawback with 3.1. Search this archive. Since this is not 3.1 but 3.1.1 you could have other drawbacks. Perhaps none, perhaps some you can resolve using a shell, but who knows. Only SuSE 8.2 guaranties no drawbacks with KDE 3.1.1. Daniel
Thanks to all who have sent me helpful comments about how to do this upgrade. I am about to move offices so will have to put the upgrade on hold for a little while. I may be back to ask more once I have some time to devote to the upgrade of KDE. cheers John
Hi John; I have just gone through the same procedure and for much the same reasons as you. Maybe I have been tinkering a bit longer (sometimes makes me question how much productivity I have gained after all!). I am not a computer person but an assistant professor in wildife ecology using Latex and CRAN-R which made me look at a LINUX environment to start with .
1) If I want to keep the stablity should I wait and upgrade the distribution which will include the lastest version of KDE?
I have upgraded to KDE 3.1.1. and have no problems with stability. There seem to be some minor issue with printing and CUPS. At least I have had the problem that have been discussed on other KDE-lists. It seems to be related to how /etc/hosts is set up. I did get such problems when moving between department (DHCP) and home (local). My printers on my box and on the NT-servers at work are now working fine!
2) If its thought that it is safe to upgrade to 3.1 then what is the recommended method/route?
Since I had used debian for some time earlier I have installed apt4rpm/synaptic as suggested by Tom Wesley. I have even used it for a complete upgrade of 8.0 to 8.1 but had to do that 4 times before it succeeded. The nice thing with apt4rpm in combination with synaptic is that you can upgrade your installed software very easily. See http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/ and feel free to ask me for help if you get stuck. I would recommend you to log into www.suse.de/en and download the base packages for KDE by hand and install them by rpm -Uvh ...... Starting with the libs and qt. When you have the base KDE going you can use synaptic for installing and upgrading additional software. I would leave out the directory 'xfree' in the apt-source list since installing xfree4.3 doesn't appear to be without problems.I have not tried it myself so I can't really tell. I always choose what to upgrade manully in synaptic and never go for a complete upgrade of all available installed software. I use yast2 to search for files that sometimes are needed by new packages but not installed. Be sure to close synaptic before starting yast2 to handle software. I have found Linux, xfree and KDE to be very impressive, and I am very grateful to all the people making such an joint effort to make everything work. Thank you all. (Although I am still confused why Kate will not apply when I change the selected language in the spell checking!) I do sometimes lack a discussion list for research applications in Linux. It can take a lot of time finding/selecting the software to invest time in. I am currently not sure what I will use for producing publishable graphs. I would also like to see a software that could do simulations as Stella or Powersim. /Tomas
Since we are on the upgrading subject, I am running SuSE Ver 8.1 with KDE 3 0. I loaded this system on a fresh hard drive with nothing else on the hard drive except a small partition left behind from formatting the hard drive using DOS's fdisk. I had a bugger of a time getting it to even load (brand new CD's). After about four try's it finally took. I have the professional version since it was the same price. This system has not been at all stable, from time to time it flat kicks me off and wants me to sign on again. Is this a session time out? Open Office won't allow me to save a document. It keeps defaulting to the root/opt/openoffice.org/work directory as a place to save the document. Well the "/work" part of this directory does not exist. So, I signed in as the administrator using the "root xterm with permissions" and tried to make this part of the directory exist. When I changed to the /OpenOffice.org" part of the directory I got an error that say's it does not exist. I can clearly see that it does exist through the file manager!!! So, I think I have a wounded copy of Open Office and tried repairing it through the repair option in the Open Office setup / configuration module. Still no go! So I sign in as administrator an completely re-installed the program. Several errors occurred which tells me I still have a wounded copy. I even tried to save the doc in MS Word format and an org format in a different directory that "does exist" and it would not let me! Boy I thought this would be more stable than what those "MS windows" people put out, but now I m not so sure! Hal -------Original Message------- From: Tomas Willebrand Date: Thursday, March 27, 2003 2:33:06 PM To: js1@liverpool.ac.uk Cc: suse-kde@suse.com Subject: Re: [suse-kde] Upgrading to KDE 3.11 Hi John; I have just gone through the same procedure and for much the same reasons as you. Maybe I have been tinkering a bit longer (sometimes makes me question how much productivity I have gained after all!). I am not a computer person but an assistant professor in wildife ecology using Latex and CRAN-R which made me look at a LINUX environment to start with .
1) If I want to keep the stablity should I wait and upgrade the distribution which will include the lastest version of KDE?
I have upgraded to KDE 3.1.1. and have no problems with stability. There seem to be some minor issue with printing and CUPS. At least I have had the problem that have been discussed on other KDE-lists. It seems to be related to how /etc/hosts is set up. I did get such problems when moving between department (DHCP) and home (local). My printers on my box and on the NT-servers at work are now working fine!
2) If its thought that it is safe to upgrade to 3.1 then what is the recommended method/route?
Since I had used debian for some time earlier I have installed apt4rpm/synaptic as suggested by Tom Wesley. I have even used it for a complete upgrade of 8.0 to 8.1 but had to do that 4 times before it succeeded. The nice thing with apt4rpm in combination with synaptic is that you can upgrade your installed software very easily. See http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm/ and feel free to ask me for help if you get stuck. I would recommend you to log into www.suse.de/en and download the base packages for KDE by hand and install them by rpm -Uvh ...... Starting with the libs and qt. When you have the base KDE going you can use synaptic for installing and upgrading additional software. I would leave out the directory 'xfree' in the apt-source list since installing xfree4.3 doesn't appear to be without problems.I have not tried it myself so I can't really tell. I always choose what to upgrade manully in synaptic and never go for a complete upgrade of all available installed software. I use yast2 to search for files that sometimes are needed by new packages but not installed. Be sure to close synaptic before starting yast2 to handle software. I have found Linux, xfree and KDE to be very impressive, and I am very grateful to all the people making such an joint effort to make everything work. Thank you all. (Although I am still confused why Kate will not apply when I change the selected language in the spell checking!) I do sometimes lack a discussion list for research applications in Linux. It can take a lot of time finding/selecting the software to invest time in. I am currently not sure what I will use for producing publishable graphs. I would also like to see a software that could do simulations as Stella or Powersim. /Tomas -- To unsubscribe, email: suse-kde-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands, email: suse-kde-help@suse.com Please do not cross-post to suse-linux-e .
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 27 March 2003 06:24 pm, Hal Keene wrote:
Since we are on the upgrading subject, I am running SuSE Ver 8.1 with KDE 3 0. I loaded this system on a fresh hard drive with nothing else on the hard drive except a small partition left behind from formatting the hard drive using DOS's fdisk. I had a bugger of a time getting it to even load (brand new CD's). After about four try's it finally took. I have the professional version since it was the same price. This system has not been at all stable, from time to time it flat kicks me off and wants me to sign on again. Is this a session time out? Open Office won't allow me to save a document. It keeps defaulting to the root/opt/openoffice.org/work directory as a place to save the document. Well the "/work" part of this directory does not exist. So, I signed in as the administrator using the "root xterm with permissions" and tried to make this part of the directory exist. When I changed to the /OpenOffice.org" part of the directory I got an error that say's it does not exist. I can clearly see that it does exist through the file manager!!! So, I think I have a wounded copy of Open Office and tried repairing it through the repair option in the Open Office setup / configuration module. Still no go! So I sign in as administrator an completely re-installed the program. Several errors occurred which tells me I still have a wounded copy. I even tried to save the doc in MS Word format and an org format in a different directory that "does exist" and it would not let me! Boy I thought this would be more stable than what those "MS windows" people put out, but now I m not so sure! Hal
Certainly sounds like there is something wrong with your install. Also it would probably be best to address your issues one at a time. First, get the system stable unfortunately you haven't really provided the info necessary to do this. Also it sounds as if you are new to SuSE linux, I'm sorry if I've got the wrong impression. Second, get the apps working properly. Your first problem could stem from a number of issues, Hardware incompatability/failure, conflicting software etc. What hardware Motherboard, graphics card, how much memory. Was it a recommended install? What additional packages did you install? Do other window managers also crash on you? (Gnome, blackbox...) Although x has crashed on me occasionally this should not be a regular event. Second, get the apps working properly. Since you asked specifically about OpenOffice heres a couple ideas Use yast to uninstall OpenOffice, after it has exitted re-install OpenOffice with yast. Once this is done go to your home directory and rename or delete the directory named OpenOffice.org1.0.1 (or 1.0.2) depending on version. (in my case /home/dh1/OpenOffice.org1.0.2) Also rename /home/yourLogin/.sversion. I usually rename things rather than delete so I can get them back if needed. If there is an OpenOffice.org icon on your desktop use this to re-install the program. Choose the option which installs the smaller amount (megabytes) of files. If there is no Icon on your desktop then you will need to navigate to /opt/OpenOffice.org/program usng konqueror or just open a shell and type (without quotes) "cd /opt/OpenOffice.org/program" at the prompt. Then press enter then type "./setup" (without quotes) Then press enter and follow the directions. I would suggest that due to the depth and variety of your problems you start your own thread for each problem with appropriatley titled subjects to get the best results in the future. HTH, good luck - -- dh Don't shop at GoogleGear.com! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+g9GZBwgxlylUsJARAj3JAJ4hoh2SQdW2eTlc899lNJGmiY9CcwCePjZm SHLqWCJlDBOWP30i3s8UA6w= =2kaX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
fredag 28 mars 2003 03:24 skrev Hal Keene:
Since we are on the upgrading subject, I am running SuSE Ver 8.1 with KDE 3 0. I loaded this system on a fresh hard drive with nothing else on the hard drive except a small partition left behind from formatting the hard drive using DOS's fdisk. I had a bugger of a time getting it to even load (brand new CD's). After about four try's it finally took.
Hi Hal! There is something very wrong at this step already! What error messages did you get? If you have a fast internet connection you could try installing direct from a ftp server, see http://www.pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3775 Also this is not a very specific KDE issue so maybe we should continue the discussion elsewhere? /Tomas
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