On Wednesday 12 October 2005 04:06, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* alexander.beck-ratzka [10-11-05 02:29]:

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I habe installed kde 3.00, and I am running Fedora.

Hummm. An *old* version of kde and running black-hat and complaining in a SUSE mail list. Something doesn't fit here.

Very helpful, thank you! Alexander

On Wednesday 12 October 2005 18:13, Daniel Eckl wrote:

I have to acknowledge Patrick here.

We have a topic-driven list so that we can bundle the knowledge better. We all run KDE on SuSE. So we can help you finding the correct SuSE packages, we can tell you where SuSE has put the KDE config files and so on.

So you cannot assume to find redhat package and config knowledge on this list. If someone has this knowledge, he surely runs fedora and if he runs fedora, then he would not be part of this list.

Sounds logically?

So no reason for you to get ironic here.

I feel there is a reason to get ironic, if one gets an answer like Patricks answer was it:

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Hummm. An *old* version of kde and running black-hat and complaining in a SUSE mail list. Something doesn't fit here.

I wouldn't have had any problems with a statement like: "...this is only a SuSE-kde Mailinglist, and therefore I should expect an answer..." Never mind, I have to use Fedora in the office, and I'm not to glad with this, because at home where I'm running SuSE, I don't have such problems. I already have received answers from other SuSE mailing lists, even though the answer was concerned to Fedora... Cheers Alexander

On Thursday 13 October 2005 10:29, David Herman wrote: <snip>

You'll find that your ratio of appropriate answers to self inflation increases greatly if you just filter patricks answers directly to the trash.

Hi David, It's a free list. dump whoever you want to /dev/null, including me, but AFAICS Patrick has done nothing in this thread to deserve it. I wouldn't dream of posting the OP's original question here without identifying myself as a SuSE user first. And I'd apologize profusely if I did. Think about it: A different distribution (a competitor's?) An older version of KDE? No indication he'd tried Google or other research first? Come to think of it, he's at a business... where's the systems administrator? Where is desktop support? That system didn't get installed and configured by itself, did it? Or does this company plant a box at someone's desk, throw in an old CD and leave it's endusers searching the Internet for help? (Some employers are really *like* that, ya know?) All I'm saying is this: Had he prefaced his question with "Hi Everybody, I know this isn't a black hat list and the KDE version is pretty old, but I run SuSE X.X at home and I've got a problem here at work..." it would have defused any criticisms or latent sarcasm from the start. The people here, including Patrick, are... um... people. Accordingly, we express ourselves as human beings, particularly when someone does something a little bit clueless and irritating. Shouldn't the OP take some responsibility for anticipating this? I know I would have... I also would never publicly dump on someone like Patrick as harshly as you just did. No one participating here, much less he, deserves that kind of treatment. - Carl

On Thu October 13 2005 11:58 am, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* David Herman [10-13-05 09:32]:

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You'll find that your ratio of appropriate answers to self inflation increases greatly if you just filter patricks answers directly to the trash. Patrick Shanahan wrote: Please forgive me for assuming that "suse-kde@suse.com" might be a SUSE list rather than a fedora/red-hat list. Amazing that, eh?

Well do i know how frustrating a n00by can find it when Suse goes awry and the problem/solution is not readily found. Most say how great YaST is but i have had so many screw-ups with 8.2 and 9.1, using YOU to update a standard install, that i now think it is best if n00bs (eg me..) just stick with the original DVD version. At least for the initial months. There are many config gotchas & dependency traps to confuse and frustrate recent Linux converts, esp. if they have no Unix/CLI background. Let's face it: Man pages and much Linux documentation is difficult for us to use, esp when it comes to trouble-shooting. This list has been a great help with all the patient gurus so willing to help us understand the innards. Even PatrickS telling us how stupid and lazy we are for not looking up some tidbit or command or log (yea RTFM, [again] eh Patrick?), that we never knew about until he pointed us in that direction. But his snarly heart means well i think. Thanks again to all; may you never tire of your good deeds and your unselfish advice. Linux is great equalizer: no more illegal monopolies, no gates no balmer no lies no MS 'taxes'.

* alexander.beck-ratzka [10-13-05 01:33]:

I wouldn't have had any problems with a statement like: "...this is only a SuSE-kde Mailinglist, and therefore I should expect an answer..."

hummm, somewhat difficult to see that this is a SUSE list. My mistake. "suse-kde@suse.com" -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2