I don't think it's been officially announced yet but KDE 3.1b2 is now out. Download it from your local mirror: http://www.kde.org/ftpmirrors.html Not all have it yet, though. The U.S. and German ones do, however. See ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/kde-3.1-beta2/SuSE/ix86/ (Germany) and ftp://download.us.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/kde-3.1-beta2/SuSE/ix86/ (U.S.A.) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com
On Wednesday 02 October 2002 20.45, Matthew W. Sheffield wrote:
I don't think it's been officially announced yet but KDE 3.1b2 is now out. Download it from your local mirror: http://www.kde.org/ftpmirrors.html
Mmmm.... and it seems to be much more stable than beta 1 was. Anyone using beta 1 is highly recommended to upgrade to the beta 2 SuSE RPMs. (At least, that's MHO for the 8.0 version.) Between beta1 and beta2, I'm noticing more KDE program stability in general, Konqueror is behaving better (though far from perfect, still recommend Mozilla for surfing). Also seeing some new programs, like Kolf, Klickety, Atlantik, Megami games. New login screen (KDM). Quite a few changes to the Control Panel. Much better, actually, IMHO. Icon set Connectiva Crystal Icon Theme Beta 2.6 Etc. Really nice! Definite improvements over Beta 1. Joe ---- "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic, for which it stands; one nation, UNDER GODDESS, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. " "And Goddess said, let there be a God. And she gave birth to him..."
Can anybody report what version of KDE is included on the SuSE 8.1 release? Is it at least 3.0.3? For those who have tried the beta, does it add anything that you've noticed? Or is it just stability and bug fixes? /kevin
Hi Kevin! yup, 3.0.3 -- me On Thu, 03 Oct 2002, Kevin McLauchlan wrote:
Can anybody report what version of KDE is included on the SuSE 8.1 release? Is it at least 3.0.3?
For those who have tried the beta, does it add anything that you've noticed? Or is it just stability and bug fixes?
/kevin
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Joe said:
On Wednesday 02 October 2002 20.45, Matthew W. Sheffield wrote:
I don't think it's been officially announced yet but KDE 3.1b2 is now out. Download it from your local mirror: http://www.kde.org/ftpmirrors.html
Mmmm.... and it seems to be much more stable than beta 1 was. Anyone using beta 1 is highly recommended to upgrade to the beta 2 SuSE RPMs. (At least, that's MHO for the 8.0 version.)
Between beta1 and beta2, I'm noticing more KDE program stability in general, Konqueror is behaving better (though far from perfect, still recommend Mozilla for surfing).
yes beta2 is much better, but Konqueror have more bugs now (strange lines on some sites (also on my own website), form buttons are not visable some times ... -- regards, Frederik Vos VosBerg@SuSE & L4L http://www.vosberg.be
Frederik Vos said:
yes beta2 is much better, but Konqueror have more bugs now (strange lines on some sites (also on my own website), form buttons are not visable some times ...
Are you using SuSE's rpms or are you compiling from CVS? I'm running beta 2 from cvs and I'm not seeing lines on your web site (you may want to look at your apache config though. www.vosberg.be gets your web site, but http://vosberg.be gets SuSE's apache demo site with info of your configuration :) //Anders
Anders Johansson said:
Frederik Vos said:
yes beta2 is much better, but Konqueror have more bugs now (strange lines on some sites (also on my own website), form buttons are not visable some times ...
Are you using SuSE's rpms or are you compiling from CVS? I'm running beta 2 from cvs and I'm not seeing lines on your web site (you may want to look at your apache config though. www.vosberg.be gets your web site, but http://vosberg.be gets SuSE's apache demo site with info of your configuration :)
//Anders
i'm using the suse rpm's (yes, you're right, without www, you just get the test site, but i was talking about the www.vosberg.be one :) -- regards, Frederik Vos VosBerg@SuSE & L4L http://www.vosberg.be
On Thursday 03 October 2002 18.23, Frederik Vos wrote:
yes beta2 is much better, but Konqueror have more bugs now (strange lines on some sites (also on my own website), form buttons are not visable some times ...
I noticed form buttons missing in beta 1. Haven't surfed enough using it to determine if there's *more* problems, though. Been using Mozilla since 1.0 came out for surfing. My own site seems to show both the form submit button and a checkbox missing. That's not good. :-/ Just shows the text input and textarea parts of forms. Konqueror beta 1 was crashing sometimes when moving large directories and other things. That seems to be working better at least. Joe -- "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic, for which it stands; one nation, UNDER GODDESS, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. " "And Goddess said, let there be a God. And she gave birth to him..."
Joe said:
On Thursday 03 October 2002 18.23, Frederik Vos wrote:
yes beta2 is much better, but Konqueror have more bugs now (strange lines on some sites (also on my own website), form buttons are not visable some times ...
I noticed form buttons missing in beta 1. Haven't surfed enough using it to determine if there's *more* problems, though. Been using Mozilla since 1.0 came out for surfing. My own site seems to show both the form submit button and a checkbox missing. That's not good. :-/ Just shows the text input and textarea parts of forms.
Which site is that? Both amerikanska.com and firechild.net look fine in my konqueror from cvs.
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic, for which it stands; one nation, UNDER GODDESS, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. "
Even though you live in Sweden? :)
"And Goddess said, let there be a God. And she gave birth to him..."
Don't forget: she's black! :) //Anders
"And Goddess said, let there be a God. And she gave birth to him..."
Don't forget: she's black! :)
She's a black, gay, non-denominational whale, actually, who uses Linux except at tax time... ;-> -- "My son, the world rests upon the back of a giant turtle." "But father, upon what does the turtle stand?" "Son, it's turtles all the way down."
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torsdagen den 3 oktober 2002 19.10 skrev Kevin McLauchlan:
"And Goddess said, let there be a God. And she gave birth to him..."
Don't forget: she's black! :)
She's a black, gay, non-denominational whale, actually, who uses Linux except at tax time... ;->
No She's a whitw whale and calls Herself Moba Mouse BTW www.firechild.net and amerikanska.com looks allright in my beta konqeror but /www.vosberg.be has those strange lines. Olle
Olle Viksten said:
BTW www.firechild.net and amerikanska.com looks allright in my beta konqeror but /www.vosberg.be has those strange lines.
Olle
if it's caused by wrong code in my site, plz tell it, but so far as i know not .. -- regards, Frederik Vos VosBerg@SuSE & L4L http://www.vosberg.be
I have seen the lines in the SuSE packages, too.
It's probably a bug in Konq's CSS support.
--- Frederik Vos
Olle Viksten said:
BTW www.firechild.net and amerikanska.com looks allright in my beta konqeror but /www.vosberg.be has those strange lines.
Olle
if it's caused by wrong code in my site, plz tell it, but so far as i know not ..
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On Thursday 03 October 2002 18.49, Anders Johansson wrote:
Which site is that? Both amerikanska.com and firechild.net look fine in my konqueror from cvs.
Hmmm... amerikanska.com ... the login on the left. Neither the button or the "remember me" checkbox is showing. Using the SuSE RPMs. And nope, I'm not gonna compile it myself just for this. I got Mozzy for surfing, dangit! I can settle with that bug until a stable release comes out... not something I need. If the Konqueror's that have been released starting with 3.0.0 are any indication though, I don't have high hopes for Konq being stable anytime soon. Maybe 4.0.9 or something... Other bugs noted in Beta 2: 1- KEdit (and programs that use it, like replying in KMail): Sometimes scrolling up/down text opened in it is "messy", doesn't really scroll so much as self-destruct. Highlighting the text then unmarking gets rid of the nasties, but still... though it doesn't always happen. (this was in Beta 1 for me as well) 2- Control Center - Sometimes switching sections in this (from "background" to "colors" for example) causes it to max out the CPU, and the only way to stop it is in KPM (or whatever you use to kill runaways). Overall though, it's running very sweet. Much better than Beta 1. Now WAY off-topic...
"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic, for which it stands; one nation, UNDER GODDESS, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. "
Even though you live in Sweden? :)
Note the purpose of Amerikanska.com ... I'm a full-blooded American. And a Pagan one at that, thus the Goddess.
"And Goddess said, let there be a God. And she gave birth to him..."
Don't forget: she's black! :)
If that's how you view her, so mote it be. :-P My sig is a response to all these jerks who think I should be forced to recognize their God. It gets really irritating, and I do hope I piss them off in some small way. Damn, I'm evil. :-D Joe ---- "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic, for which it stands; one nation, UNDER GODDESS, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. " "And Goddess said, let there be a God. And she gave birth to him..."
On Thursday 03 October 2002 22.59, Joe wrote:
On Thursday 03 October 2002 18.49, Anders Johansson wrote:
Which site is that? Both amerikanska.com and firechild.net look fine in my konqueror from cvs.
Hmmm... amerikanska.com ... the login on the left. Neither the button or the "remember me" checkbox is showing. Using the SuSE RPMs.
Both the button and the checkbox is there in my cvs version.
And nope, I'm not gonna compile it myself just for this. I got Mozzy for surfing, dangit!
That's your choice of course, but don't judge konqi's stability by the quality of SuSE's rpms. //Anders -- 'Deserves [death]. I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.' --Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings
On Thursday 03 October 2002 23.05, Anders Johansson wrote:
That's your choice of course, but don't judge konqi's stability by the quality of SuSE's rpms.
I don't really. I've got a Mandrake setup on another computer, which had RedHat *shiver* on it before that. Those two and SuSE all had similar instability problems when it came to Konq when surfing. Instability I was referring to was total crashes per day, not these Beta bugs like missing checkboxes and such. I'm sure the stable 3.1 will have those fixed in the RPMs. I of course hope to see a good Konq web browser that runs as stable as Mozilla has been doing for me. Some day. And sooner is always better. :-P Meanwhile, it makes a great file browser. An even better one in Beta 2! Joe -- "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic, for which it stands; one nation, UNDER GODDESS, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. " "And Goddess said, let there be a God. And she gave birth to him..."
On Thursday 03 October 2002 17:05, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Thursday 03 October 2002 22.59, Joe wrote:
On Thursday 03 October 2002 18.49, Anders Johansson wrote:
Which site is that? Both amerikanska.com and firechild.net look fine in my konqueror from cvs.
Hmmm... amerikanska.com ... the login on the left. Neither the button or the "remember me" checkbox is showing. Using the SuSE RPMs.
Both the button and the checkbox is there in my cvs version.
And nope, I'm not gonna compile it myself just for this. I got Mozzy for surfing, dangit!
That's your choice of course, but don't judge konqi's stability by the quality of SuSE's rpms.
//Anders =====================
The thing about it is, Anders, these rpms are not official SuSE rpm files from their ftp site! I have not experienced any of the related problems Joe is complaining about with my Konq 3.0.3 either. I can't even remember the last browser crash I had with Konq, but usually if it does now, one can attribute to a bad coded site. So from what I can tell, the rpms Joe downloaded were bad builds or there is something else amiss in his KDE setup. Patrick -- --- KMail v1.4.3 --- SuSE Linux Pro v8.0 --- Registered Linux User #225206
Well, I'm reverting back to 3.0.3 because things like KMail are puking on themselves still. It does look nice, but I'll wait a few more months. Nothing in 3.1 that I *need*. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.
Hey, <snip>
problems Joe is complaining about with my Konq 3.0.3 either. I can't even remember the last browser crash I had with Konq, but usually if it does now, one can attribute to a bad coded site. </snip>
Random crashes here. It may run fine for a while, then suddenly crash on any random site, from a behemoth like Slashdot to a simple W3C 4.01 strict/CSS-compliant site like my own Firechild.net. I don't think it's the sites' faults. Though that could be the case sometimes. ;-)
So from what I can tell, the rpms Joe downloaded were bad builds or there is something else amiss in his KDE setup.
Could very well be. Though this happened with both 7.3 (KDE 3.0.0 - 3.0.3) and 8.0 (KDE 3.0.3 - 3.1 Beta 2) using RPMs from SuSE's servers for the official releases and from the KDE server for Betas 1 and 2. And this happens in RedHat and Mandrake running on an entirely different computer. (Ran SuSE on that computer before as well at one time with the same results.) Problem is that it's not just me. The SuSE Usenet group (and other Linux-related newsgroups) is full of posts about Konq crashes. And only Konqueror, not other KDE programs or KDE itself crashing? Actually, I should clarify that... Not counting Beta 1 problems, Konq has almost never crashed when being used as a file browser, or viewing text files embedded, ripping CDs using the Services tab... just when surfing. So it could be my setup. Possibly both of my computers (a 300 Mhz Intel laptop and my daily computer, 800 Mhz AMD Duron desktop) both have some issues with the RPMs? Ah, not looking for an argument :-D, just not understanding how that's possible. Considering how much SuSE works with KDE, I can't see them consistently releasing bad builds (of the stable releases), even if they are slipped into a "Supplementary" directory on the server. Ah, well. Waiting for 8.1 Pro to arrive in the mail (got an e-mail saying it should arrive to me in 10-12 days - woohoo!), and I'll be going back to 3.0.3 with it until the stable 3.1 is released. See if that changes the Konq stability issues I've had... Later, Joe -- "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic, for which it stands; one nation, UNDER GODDESS, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. " "And Goddess said, let there be a God. And she gave birth to him..."
My experience with Konqueror is quite similar - random crashes at frequent intervals while doing random web surfing (frequent = every 5 to 10 minutes). It has *never* crashed while file browsing. I find it rather annoying to use as a web browser due to these crashes. For me, this has been an ongoing problem for many KDE releases. If I had the software expertise, I'd jump in and help to fix the code. For now, the best I can do is file good bug reports and hope for the best. In this area, the KDE team has responded quickly to my bug reports. I look forward to trying out KDE 3.1 when it is ready. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org
Frederik Vos wrote:
Joe said:
Mmmm.... and it seems to be much more stable than beta 1 was. Anyone using beta 1 is highly recommended to upgrade to the beta 2 SuSE RPMs. (At least, that's MHO for the 8.0 version.)
yes beta2 is much better, but Konqueror have more bugs now (strange lines on some sites (also on my own website), form buttons are not visable some times ...
Do you have any problems using kmail? I just upgrade my kde 3.03 to this latest beta and now kmail crashes imediately after starting. (I am using mozilla now as workaround for typing this mail). Peter
On Thursday 03 October 2002 23.25, Peter Valent wrote:
Do you have any problems using kmail? I just upgrade my kde 3.03 to this latest beta and now kmail crashes imediately after starting. (I am using mozilla now as workaround for typing this mail).
Well, you weren't responding to me, but I'm using Beta 2 (in 8.0) and am writing this in KMail. So my answer is no... I've not experienced a KMail crash. Then again, I don't remember KMail ever crashing (since KDE 3.0.1 at least) on this computer. And all I did was rpm -Uvh on all the Beta 2 RPMs, then I ran SuSEConfig for good measure. Not sure if that was even necessary, but it's fixed issues in the past. ;-) Joe -- "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic, for which it stands; one nation, UNDER GODDESS, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. " "And Goddess said, let there be a God. And she gave birth to him..."
On Thursday 03 October 2002 5:25 pm, Peter Valent wrote:
Do you have any problems using kmail? I just upgrade my kde 3.03 to this latest beta and now kmail crashes imediately after starting. (I am using mozilla now as workaround for typing this mail).
Peter
Peter, I also experienced this problem after upgrade. The solution I found (at a developers mailing list) was to open a terminal su and type: mv /opt/kde2/lib/libkjava.so.1.0.0.bak cp /opt/kde3/lib/libqtjava.so.1.0.0 /opt/kde2/lib/libqtjava.so.1.0.0 Evidently Kmail (and other apps) require the qtjava lib here as opposed to the kjava lib. I haven't had a problem with any apps since replacing that file. hth, Ken
fredagen den 4 oktober 2002 00.40 skrev Ken Phelan:
On Thursday 03 October 2002 5:25 pm, Peter Valent wrote:
Do you have any problems using kmail? I just upgrade my kde 3.03 to this latest beta and now kmail crashes imediately after starting. (I am using mozilla now as workaround for typing this mail).
Peter
Peter,
I also experienced this problem after upgrade. The solution I found (at a developers mailing list) was to open a terminal su and type:
mv /opt/kde2/lib/libkjava.so.1.0.0.bak
cp /opt/kde3/lib/libqtjava.so.1.0.0 /opt/kde2/lib/libqtjava.so.1.0.0
And don't forget to change the links opt/kde2/lib/libkjava.so and /opt/kde2/lib/libkjava.so.1 to point to lib/libqtjava.so.1.0.0. Kmail kept crashing for until I did that. Olle -- MicroSoft Network may not carry this message without license to do so. License to carry this message requires a fee of $1000, payable within 30 days to Olle Viksten. Appearance of this message on MicroSoft Network constitutes an agreement to terms.
On Friday 04 October 2002 3:54 am, Olle Viksten wrote:
And don't forget to change the links opt/kde2/lib/libkjava.so and /opt/kde2/lib/libkjava.so.1 to point to lib/libqtjava.so.1.0.0. Kmail kept crashing for until I did that.
Olle
That's interesting.....I didn't have to perform that particular step. In case other rpm users hadn't noticed, the 'kdenetwork' rpms were not included at the kde/suse/unstable/8.0 directory. I attempted to run the mandrake rpms for kdenetwork and hosed things up so I went ahead and compiled the source for kdenetwork and all appears well at this time. It's also missing 'kdebindings' but I'm still running the 3.01 version and haven't noticed anything amiss. Ken
On Friday 04 October 2002 14:33, Ken Phelan wrote:
In case other rpm users hadn't noticed, the 'kdenetwork' rpms were not included at the kde/suse/unstable/8.0 directory.
The are now. (see: ftp://ftp.eu.uu.net/pub/kde/unstable/latest/SuSE/ix86/8.0/) And indeed this solved my kmail start problem:
mv /opt/kde2/lib/libkjava.so.1.0.0.bak
cp /opt/kde3/lib/libqtjava.so.1.0.0 /opt/kde2/lib/libqtjava.so.1.0.0
Peter
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