[opensuse-kde] KDE SC 4.4.4 packages for Open SuSE?
Hi, In the past, when a new SC is released, the binary packages for OpenSuse have been available pretty much instantly. The 4.4.4 SC has been out for a good few days now, and I don't see a download or 1 click install this time. Has something changed? Or am I just too impatient :-) Paul -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Tirsdag den 8. juni 2010 13:43:22 skrev Paul Hands:
In the past, when a new SC is released, the binary packages for OpenSuse have been available pretty much instantly. The 4.4.4 SC has been out for a good few days now, and I don't see a download or 1 click install this time. Has something changed? Or am I just too impatient :-)
Factory has been frozen for a while for 11.3. And when Factory is unfrozen it will most likely move to 4.5 beta/rc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On 08/06/10 12:58, Martin Schlander wrote:
Tirsdag den 8. juni 2010 13:43:22 skrev Paul Hands:
In the past, when a new SC is released, the binary packages for OpenSuse have been available pretty much instantly. The 4.4.4 SC has been out for a good few days now, and I don't see a download or 1 click install this time. Has something changed? Or am I just too impatient :-)
Factory has been frozen for a while for 11.3. And when Factory is unfrozen it will most likely move to 4.5 beta/rc.
Thanks, Martin. I understand about Factory. However, as 4.4.4 is the latest stable release from kde.org, shouldn't the stable repo follow that? Paul -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 08 of June 2010, Paul Hands wrote:
On 08/06/10 12:58, Martin Schlander wrote:
Tirsdag den 8. juni 2010 13:43:22 skrev Paul Hands:
In the past, when a new SC is released, the binary packages for OpenSuse have been available pretty much instantly. The 4.4.4 SC has been out for a good few days now, and I don't see a download or 1 click install this time. Has something changed? Or am I just too impatient :-)
Factory has been frozen for a while for 11.3. And when Factory is unfrozen it will most likely move to 4.5 beta/rc.
Thanks, Martin. I understand about Factory. However, as 4.4.4 is the latest stable release from kde.org, shouldn't the stable repo follow that?
No. The KDE openSUSE repositories follow the openSUSE release cycle, not the KDE release cycle (read the description of the repository at [1] or [2]). That means that most likely none of the "official" openSUSE KDE repositories will ever contain KDE SC 4.4.4 (nor 4.4.5 etc.). There is the possibility of another repository for the latest stable upstream KDE release, but when we did it in the past, it was additional work and it caused more trouble that it solved. So if somebody wants such a repository, they'll need to maintain it and do the necessary work. Which shouldn't be that much work, but it still needs to be done. [1] http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Repositories [2] http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/RepositoryRenaming -- Lubos Lunak openSUSE Boosters team, KDE developer l.lunak@suse.cz , l.lunak@kde.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, 8. Juni 2010, 13:58:38 schrieb Martin Schlander:
Tirsdag den 8. juni 2010 13:43:22 skrev Paul Hands:
In the past, when a new SC is released, the binary packages for OpenSuse have been available pretty much instantly. The 4.4.4 SC has been out for a good few days now, and I don't see a download or 1 click install this time. Has something changed? Or am I just too impatient :-)
Factory has been frozen for a while for 11.3. And when Factory is unfrozen it will most likely move to 4.5 beta/rc.
my view on KDE 4.4.4 is here: http://linux.eregion.de/2010/06/07/kde-4-4-4-or-not/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
There will likely be an official update to 4.4.5 after a month or two after openSUSE's 11.3 release (delivered as regular update for 11.3 and KDE:/STABLE for 11.2 etc.). On Tuesday 08 June 2010 13:43:22 Paul Hands wrote:
Hi,
In the past, when a new SC is released, the binary packages for OpenSuse have been available pretty much instantly. The 4.4.4 SC has been out for a good few days now, and I don't see a download or 1 click install this time. Has something changed? Or am I just too impatient :-)
Paul -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 08 of June 2010, Markus wrote:
There will likely be an official update to 4.4.5 after a month or two after openSUSE's 11.3 release (delivered as regular update for 11.3 and KDE:/STABLE for 11.2 etc.).
That is currently not planned.
On Tuesday 08 June 2010 13:43:22 Paul Hands wrote:
Hi,
In the past, when a new SC is released, the binary packages for OpenSuse have been available pretty much instantly. The 4.4.4 SC has been out for a good few days now, and I don't see a download or 1 click install this time. Has something changed? Or am I just too impatient :-)
-- Lubos Lunak openSUSE Boosters team, KDE developer l.lunak@suse.cz , l.lunak@kde.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 08 June 2010 14:49:17 Lubos Lunak wrote:
On Tuesday 08 of June 2010, Markus wrote:
There will likely be an official update to 4.4.5 after a month or two after openSUSE's 11.3 release (delivered as regular update for 11.3 and KDE:/STABLE for 11.2 etc.).
That is currently not planned.
Strange change of mind compared Will's 11.2/4.3 announcement last December when he wrote how beneficial putting the regular SC update into the repos is (quoting an excerpt): - 4.3.4 is the final planned release in the KDE 4.3 series and will therefore have the longest shelf life. It will be easier to apply future fixes from the KDE 4.3 branch to 4.3.4 packages than to 4.3.1 packages. - We are aware that any version update has the potential to include regressions, but: - 4.3.4 is a point release with only bugfixes and translation updates - we've seen a lot of use of the KDE:43 repo from 11.2 users without a lot more bugs - other distributions have already shipped 4.3.2 and are going to push point releases as online updates as well We have consulted the openSUSE maintenance team, who were in favour of this move. The online update will take place after a period of testing 4.3.4 on 11.2 in KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop. The sole drawback to this that we're aware of is that this will be a large online update download; we hope you will agree the benefits will be worth it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Dienstag, 8. Juni 2010 15:36:18 Markus wrote:
On Tuesday 08 June 2010 14:49:17 Lubos Lunak wrote:
On Tuesday 08 of June 2010, Markus wrote:
There will likely be an official update to 4.4.5 after a month or two after openSUSE's 11.3 release (delivered as regular update for 11.3 and KDE:/STABLE for 11.2 etc.).
That is currently not planned.
Strange change of mind compared Will's 11.2/4.3 announcement last December when he wrote how beneficial putting the regular SC update into the repos is (quoting an excerpt):
there is no mind change. The 4.3.4 update was planned as official distro maintenance update. It was tested for quite some time. But no one wants to spend all the testing and fixing work atm for this minor update. And this much more work than just replace tar balls and increase version numbers. Also the risk that it has regressions exists and users can live way easier with an existing bug than with suddenly new introduced one in their stable line. bye adrian
- 4.3.4 is the final planned release in the KDE 4.3 series and will therefore have the longest shelf life. It will be easier to apply future fixes from the KDE 4.3 branch to 4.3.4 packages than to 4.3.1 packages.
- We are aware that any version update has the potential to include regressions, but:
- 4.3.4 is a point release with only bugfixes and translation updates
- we've seen a lot of use of the KDE:43 repo from 11.2 users without a lot more bugs
- other distributions have already shipped 4.3.2 and are going to push point releases as online updates as well
We have consulted the openSUSE maintenance team, who were in favour of this move. The online update will take place after a period of testing 4.3.4 on 11.2 in KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop.
The sole drawback to this that we're aware of is that this will be a large online update download; we hope you will agree the benefits will be worth it.
-- Adrian Schroeter SUSE Linux Products GmbH email: adrian@suse.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Adrian Schröter
On Dienstag, 8. Juni 2010 15:36:18 Markus wrote:
On Tuesday 08 June 2010 14:49:17 Lubos Lunak wrote:
On Tuesday 08 of June 2010, Markus wrote:
There will likely be an official update to 4.4.5 after a month or two after openSUSE's 11.3 release (delivered as regular update for 11.3 and KDE:/STABLE for 11.2 etc.).
That is currently not planned.
Strange change of mind compared Will's 11.2/4.3 announcement last December when he wrote how beneficial putting the regular SC update into the repos is (quoting an excerpt):
there is no mind change. The 4.3.4 update was planned as official distro maintenance update. It was tested for quite some time.
But no one wants to spend all the testing and fixing work atm for this minor update.
And this much more work than just replace tar balls and increase version numbers. Also the risk that it has regressions exists and users can live way easier with an existing bug than with suddenly new introduced one in their stable line.
That's true, however, 4.4.3 brought in some regressions over 4.4.2. I've filed bugs over at bugs.kde.org but I've not gotten a response yet. I was hoping they'd have been fixed in 4.4.4. One of the regressions is rather annoying (laptop suspends again after return-from-suspend). If anybody is tallying up votes, I'd much rather see 4.4.4 in openSUSE 11.3 right from the get-go, and any regressions or bugfixes applied as online updates. That seems both less invasive and less work than shipping 4.4.3 and later sending out 4.4.4 as an online update, or fixing the 4.4.3 issues outright. -- Jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 08 of June 2010, Jon Nelson wrote:
That's true, however, 4.4.3 brought in some regressions over 4.4.2. I've filed bugs over at bugs.kde.org but I've not gotten a response yet. I was hoping they'd have been fixed in 4.4.4. One of the regressions is rather annoying (laptop suspends again after return-from-suspend).
They may get fixed in 4.4.4, but that doesn't matter for openSUSE 11.3. If there are any major problems in 11.3, report them to our bugzilla.
If anybody is tallying up votes, I'd much rather see 4.4.4 in openSUSE 11.3 right from the get-go,
Version updates are generally not allowed after a certain point before release in order to minimize introduction of recent regressions.
and any regressions or bugfixes applied as online updates. That seems both less invasive and less work than shipping 4.4.3 and later sending out 4.4.4 as an online update, or fixing the 4.4.3 issues outright.
-- Lubos Lunak openSUSE Boosters team, KDE developer l.lunak@suse.cz , l.lunak@kde.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On 08/06/10 15:00, Jon Nelson wrote:
That's true, however, 4.4.3 brought in some regressions over 4.4.2. I've filed bugs over at bugs.kde.org but I've not gotten a response yet. I was hoping they'd have been fixed in 4.4.4. One of the regressions is rather annoying (laptop suspends again after return-from-suspend).
If you haven't heard anything on your bug report, it's probably not fixed. Feel free to peruse the changelog to be sure: http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog4_4_3to4_4_4.php TBH I don't see anything interesting in the entire list, this is the downside of doing time-based releases - sometimes there are no changes ... Maybe if there were actually some major bugs fixed, people would be more interested in packaging and releasing it. Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 08 of June 2010, Markus wrote:
On Tuesday 08 June 2010 14:49:17 Lubos Lunak wrote:
On Tuesday 08 of June 2010, Markus wrote:
There will likely be an official update to 4.4.5 after a month or two after openSUSE's 11.3 release (delivered as regular update for 11.3 and KDE:/STABLE for 11.2 etc.).
That is currently not planned.
Strange change of mind compared Will's 11.2/4.3 announcement last December when he wrote how beneficial putting the regular SC update into the repos is (quoting an excerpt):
- 4.3.4 is the final planned release in the KDE 4.3 series and will therefore have the longest shelf life. It will be easier to apply future fixes from the KDE 4.3 branch to 4.3.4 packages than to 4.3.1 packages.
- We are aware that any version update has the potential to include regressions, but:
- 4.3.4 is a point release with only bugfixes and translation updates
- we've seen a lot of use of the KDE:43 repo from 11.2 users without a lot more bugs
- other distributions have already shipped 4.3.2 and are going to push point releases as online updates as well
- we have to do the work for SLED 11 SP1 anyway, so shipping the same with SLED 11 SP1 and 11.2 online update will benefit both, and will in fact reduce the amount of work required
We have consulted the openSUSE maintenance team, who were in favour of this move. The online update will take place after a period of testing 4.3.4 on 11.2 in KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop.
The sole drawback to this that we're aware of is that this will be a large online update download; we hope you will agree the benefits will be worth it.
The sole drawback for users. Anyway, as I said, if you don't like it, you're welcome to take care of the additional repository that will host 4.4.4. -- Lubos Lunak openSUSE Boosters team, KDE developer l.lunak@suse.cz , l.lunak@kde.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
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