Yamaban писал(а) в своём письме Thu, 03 Jan 2013 21:21:49 +0300:

On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:57, todd rme wrote:

In terms of "felt" freshness of the Distro, KDE SC 4.10 would be a better argument for openSUSE 12.3, than any KDE SC 4.9.x versions.

-- Yamaban.

openSUSE will be released at 2013.03, but there would be KDE 4.10.1 only, which will be buggy a little. So imho it isn't a brilliant idea. -- Dmitriy DarkneSS Perlow / Linux x64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

As part of the group from the community involved in KDE for openSUSE, personally I feel that reverting to 4.9.5 would be a *major* step backwards, and a maintenance hell (I'd have to redo a lot of patches that I pushed upstream, just to name one problem).

So it's IMO much better to go with 4.10. As far as I know we already have 4,10 as target for 12.3... At the moment I do not know of any bug that is a stopper, please share if any...

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Luca Beltrame Thu, 03 Jan 2013 22:04:36 +0300:

As part of the group from the community involved in KDE for openSUSE, personally I feel that reverting to 4.9.5 would be a *major* step backwards, and a maintenance hell (I'd have to redo a lot of patches that I pushed upstream, just to name one problem).

So it's IMO much better to go with 4.10.

OK, I'll just wait for 4.10.3 release before distro upgrade. -- Dmitriy DarkneSS Perlow / Linux x64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

Alin M Elena писал(а) в своём письме Thu, 03 Jan 2013 22:17:09 +0300:

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OK, I'll just wait for 4.10.3 release before distro upgrade. I like your certitude about the future... can you share with us your sources that 4.10 would be a bad release?

regards, A

For example I always get the plasma crashing when logging out after update to KDE < 4.x.2 from x ~ 5. And it always is fixed in 4.x.2 or .3 :) -- Dmitriy DarkneSS Perlow / Linux x64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

šumski Thu, 03 Jan 2013 22:31:35 +0300:

Last time i saw that it was 4.7.x Btw. you can always help in with testing beta's, RC's and reporting bugs/potential shipp-stoppers :-) --

Usually such bugs are reported at beta stage, so I just vote for them. -- Dmitriy DarkneSS Perlow / Linux x64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 19:28, Dmitriy Perlow wrote:

Yamaban писал(а) в своём письме Thu, 03 Jan 2013 21:21:49 +0300:

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On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:57, todd rme wrote:

In terms of "felt" freshness of the Distro, KDE SC 4.10 would be a better argument for openSUSE 12.3, than any KDE SC 4.9.x versions.

-- Yamaban.

openSUSE will be released at 2013.03, but there would be KDE 4.10.1 only, which will be buggy a little. So IMHO it isn't a brilliant idea.

That is why I talked about "psychological" not "physical" point. Still, in terms of maintainability KDE 4.10 is easier for the Maintainer, as they would not have to backport anything. As this (backporting) costs manpower, it should be carefully considered what would be the better solution. a) a fresh distro with a still a little buggy KDE 4.10 to start, little to no extra work in adopting later 4.10.x releases, or b) staying on 4.9, with very little still open bugs, but a lot of work in backporting cherry-picked patches during the lifetime of the Distro-release 12.3 . IMHO, that is beyond my sphere of decision. Let the (paid) people that will to bear the workload decide on this. -- Yamaban.

On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 8:47 PM, šumski wrote:

On Thursday 03 of January 2013 18:57:52 todd rme wrote:

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I notice that KDE SC 4.10 has been delayed until Feb 6. However, the prerelease freeze for openSUSE 12.3 starts on Feb 5.

Is there anything that needs to be done about this, or is the prerelease freeze soft enough that KDE SC 4.10 can be pushed as soon as the release happens?

I presume that the packages will already be successfully built by that point since the tagging is Jan 30th.

I cannot speak for Todd, but i think he didn't want to suggest reverting to 4.9.5, but only is there something that the packaging/KDE/Factory team should do in regards to this delay. It should only conditionally, IMO, be called delay, cause it is in fact introduction of one additional release candidate. That one has been decided cause of *2* features (or bugfixes, depends how you look at it) that are being introduced so late in cycle, and the developers want to make sure final release is tested upside-down.

Yes. More specifically, I was wondering if anyone in the packaging or release team needs to be notified, or if there were some sort of process that is needed for an exemption to be approved, but I left the question more open-ended in case there were other potential issues I was not aware of. -Todd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

Based on the discussion that suddenly arose on this mailinglist, I would like to indicate the following: 1) Yes, the KDE Release team has decided to introduce another Release Candidate (RC3) and to delay the release with 2 weeks. This would mean that the official KDE 4.10 release will happen on 6 February. Reasoning behind this is to incorporate some late enhancements with regards to Nepomuk and to allow users to have sufficient time to test. 2) The openSUSE KDE community team has already contacted the openSUSE 12.3 Release team with the request if it would still be possible to push the KDE 4.10 release into openSUSE 12.3 despite the pre-release freeze that happens on 5 February. As already was indicated, the tarballs will be available earlier, so this shouldn't be such a big problem. 3) As that the target was already to ship KDE 4.10 together with openSUSE 12.3, the openSUSE KDE community team took the decision to push already the KDE 4.10 Beta towards Factory in order to have more users testing the new release. Also the KDE:Distro:Factory repositories has contained the Beta 1, Beta 2 and RC1.Currently we are working on getting RC2 uploaded and build in KDF before pushing this one to Factory. Based on current experiences and feedback from different sources, the KDE 4.10 seems to be very solid and even Nepomuk seem to have reached a very usable state. So I hope that all users here, would help in testing the current 12.3 Milestone and the future ones in order to ensure that we have covered everything with KDE 4.10. Regards Raymond openSUSE KDE Community member. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde+owner@opensuse.org

* Raymond Wooninck [01-03-13 15:28]:

Based on the discussion that suddenly arose on this mailinglist, I would like to indicate the following:

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So I hope that all users here, would help in testing the current 12.3 Milestone and the future ones in order to ensure that we have covered everything with KDE 4.10.

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