[opensuse-kde] How is kde4 PIM in openSUSE-11.3?
Hello, is there already somebody that tested or uses the PIM (personal information manager: kontact, kmail, korganizer, akregator, etc) in the upcoming openSUSE 11.3? I think that OS-11.3 comes with KDE-4.4 Because this version uses more of the nepomuk features it (that is the PIM suite) might be slower. I'm curious to kde-4.4 pim experience. This user is not too happy about it: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2010/05/i-dont-need-no-stinking-nepomuk- right.html?showComment=1273024038515#c5551691194334412076 -- Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
At woensdag 05 mei 2010 16:05:28 wrote Richard Bos:
Hello,
is there already somebody that tested or uses the PIM (personal information manager: kontact, kmail, korganizer, akregator, etc) in the upcoming openSUSE 11.3? I think that OS-11.3 comes with KDE-4.4 Because this version uses more of the nepomuk features it (that is the PIM suite) might be slower. I'm curious to kde-4.4 pim experience.
This user is not too happy about it: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2010/05/i-dont-need-no-stinking-nepomuk- right.html?showComment=1273024038515#c5551691194334412076
Does no one have experience with kde-4.4 (pim suite) on openSUSE_11.3. Any one having experience with it on OS-11.2? -- Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Torsdag den 6. maj 2010 17:39:04 skrev Richard Bos:
Does no one have experience with kde-4.4 (pim suite) on openSUSE_11.3. Any one having experience with it on OS-11.2?
Dunno why it would be different on 11.3 vs. 11.2. Works fine for me with 4.4.x on 11.2. Don't remember hearing any special complaints about 4.4 vs. 4.3 either, except a few special use cases with KAdressbook. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Martin Schlander
Torsdag den 6. maj 2010 17:39:04 skrev Richard Bos:
Does no one have experience with kde-4.4 (pim suite) on openSUSE_11.3. Any one having experience with it on OS-11.2?
Dunno why it would be different on 11.3 vs. 11.2.
Works fine for me with 4.4.x on 11.2. Don't remember hearing any special complaints about 4.4 vs. 4.3 either, except a few special use cases with KAdressbook.
I'm not sure the use-cases are that special. Aren't contact categories not supported? There seems to be some fairly serious feature regressions in kaddressbook in 4.4. I am all for KDE releasing software in that way, but as a distribution I think it would be better if openSUSE did not have those sorts of feature regressions if possible. As far as I understand it the KDE 4.3 version of kaddressbook will work fine with KDE 4.4. If it is feasible, I might suggest releasing the KDE 4.3 version of kaddressbook with the default version of openSUSE 11.3, and release an alternative package, perhaps called kaddressbook2 or kdepim2-kaddressbook, that conflicts with kaddressbook and includes the KDE 4.4 version of kaddressbook. People who want to use the akonadi-based version will be able to do so, but people who don't understand anything about akonadi to begin with will not be surprised by a loss of functionality. As additional kdepim applications are ported to akonadi, I would do the same thing with these applications until they have reached feature parity with the older ones, then get rid of the kdepim2-* or *2 versions of the packages and make the standard versions the akonadi-based ones. I am not suggesting we avoid supporting akonadi, I think akonadi is great, this is just a way to avoid bugs and feature regressions for users while kdepim2 is completed. From what Aaron was saying it doesn't seem like the transition to akonadi will be very smooth, so I think it is good for users if openSUSE helps smooth it out a bit while still allowing people to switch early if they want to. This is intentionally mirroring, to an extent, how the transition from 3.5 to 4 was handled by openSUSE, which I think was so well done it should serve as a model on how to make that sort of transition. -Todd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
Hi, At donderdag 06 mei 2010 21:31:36 wrote todd rme:
I am all for KDE releasing software in that way, but as a distribution I think it would be better if openSUSE did not have those sorts of feature regressions if possible. As far as I understand it the KDE 4.3 version of kaddressbook will work fine with KDE 4.4. If it is feasible, I might suggest releasing the KDE 4.3 version of kaddressbook with the default version of openSUSE 11.3, and release an alternative package, perhaps called kaddressbook2 or kdepim2-kaddressbook, that conflicts with kaddressbook and includes the KDE 4.4 version of kaddressbook.
That is actually what I had in mind, when I started this discussion. Hopefully it is still in time to start testing the pim suite in OS-11.3 Perhaps people already did? I searched for kde4 applications and the string kontact and kaddressbook in openSUSE-11.3 and there is 1 bug reported: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=577804 It looks like it has a solution. Perhaps it is not as bad as it sound. But it would be great if the kde4 pim suite in OS-11.3 can be as good or better as in OS-11.2 -- Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On 05/05/10 15:05, Richard Bos wrote:
Hello,
is there already somebody that tested or uses the PIM (personal information manager: kontact, kmail, korganizer, akregator, etc) in the upcoming openSUSE 11.3? I think that OS-11.3 comes with KDE-4.4 Because this version uses more of the nepomuk features it (that is the PIM suite) might be slower. I'm curious to kde-4.4 pim experience.
This user is not too happy about it: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2010/05/i-dont-need-no-stinking-nepomuk- right.html?showComment=1273024038515#c5551691194334412076
That comment thread is pretty familiar - it looks a lot like the arguments that were happening when KDE 4.0 and 4.1 were released. But the developer can only take software so far without releasing and getting some real feedback. Yes, its not perfect yet, but we'll get there. While certain decisions around KDE4 development should have been done differently, I think overall it has been shown that it was worth it. Hopefully we'll get to the same stage with PIM - if the devs listen to the users who are saying "its not perfect, abandon it all now" imagine where we will end up. Aaron is trying to reason with them anyway, and he raises some good points. But on the topic of actual KDE SC 4.4 PIM experiences, I personally find it quite usable - but I'm not a big time PIM user. I was able to migrate my kaddressbook contacts to akonadi/nepomuk, and that works fine. All the features that I need at least are available, and a few extras like Google syncing. I was unable to migrate my korganizer calendar. But it still works, just based on the old-style storage. I don't use Kmail so can't comment on that. I don't see any significant slowdowns relative to previous KDE SC's. Akonadi / nepomuk does spawn quite a few threads, but seems to run quietly. I have strigi disabled because it was stressing my laptop HD a little too much. Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
On 5/6/10 6:27 PM, Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 05/05/10 15:05, Richard Bos wrote:
Hello,
is there already somebody that tested or uses the PIM (personal information manager: kontact, kmail, korganizer, akregator, etc) in the upcoming openSUSE 11.3? I think that OS-11.3 comes with KDE-4.4 Because this version uses more of the nepomuk features it (that is the PIM suite) might be slower. I'm curious to kde-4.4 pim experience.
This user is not too happy about it: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2010/05/i-dont-need-no-stinking-nepomuk- right.html?showComment=1273024038515#c5551691194334412076
That comment thread is pretty familiar - it looks a lot like the arguments that were happening when KDE 4.0 and 4.1 were released. But the developer can only take software so far without releasing and getting some real feedback. Yes, its not perfect yet, but we'll get there. While certain decisions around KDE4 development should have been done differently, I think overall it has been shown that it was worth it. Hopefully we'll get to the same stage with PIM - if the devs listen to the users who are saying "its not perfect, abandon it all now" imagine where we will end up. Aaron is trying to reason with them anyway, and he raises some good points.
But on the topic of actual KDE SC 4.4 PIM experiences, I personally find it quite usable - but I'm not a big time PIM user. I was able to migrate my kaddressbook contacts to akonadi/nepomuk, and that works fine. All the features that I need at least are available, and a few extras like Google syncing. I was unable to migrate my korganizer calendar. But it still works, just based on the old-style storage. I don't use Kmail so can't comment on that. I don't see any significant slowdowns relative to previous KDE SC's. Akonadi / nepomuk does spawn quite a few threads, but seems to run quietly. I have strigi disabled because it was stressing my laptop HD a little too much.
Regards, Tejas
I push Kontact/Kmail pretty hard. Multiple IMAP accounts, some holding 60k+ messages etc. KDE 4.4.x PIM seems pretty solid and works faster it seems than earlier versions. I do not use Nopemuk and Strigi is disabled here. The only real annoyance was the lack o import or my old distribution lists and recreating them was a pain - a task still not finished. YMMV, but 4.4.x does seem to me to have some real fixes under the hood, perhaps not as many user visible goodies. Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde+help@opensuse.org
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