[opensuse-kde3] kcmshell <???> to manage kcm_gtk in 11.4?
Since kcontrol has nothing to select in the left pane, one must run kcmshell for individual modules to control them. However, I see nothing relating to managing gtk apps in kcmshell help. How does one configure gtk apps via kcmshell? Or, better yet, get kcontrol to show what belongs in its left pane? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 11 April 2011 18:54:32 Felix Miata wrote:
Since kcontrol has nothing to select in the left pane, one must run kcmshell for individual modules to control them. However, I see nothing relating to managing gtk apps in kcmshell help. How does one configure gtk apps via kcmshell? Or, better yet, get kcontrol to show what belongs in its left pane? --
Don't you have kcontrol modules in the settings menu? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/04/11 19:19 (GMT+0400) Ilya Chernykh composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
Since kcontrol has nothing to select in the left pane, one must run kcmshell for individual modules to control them. However, I see nothing relating to managing gtk apps in kcmshell help. How does one configure gtk apps via kcmshell? Or, better yet, get kcontrol to show what belongs in its left pane?
Don't you have kcontrol modules in the settings menu?
Is "modules" a title? I noticed "Settings" above "Run Command" after starting the thread. The settings menu extends out to contain most of what's missing from kcontrol itself, but GTK isn't in "Appearance & Themes" following "Fonts" like one familiar with KDE3 would expect, and I don't see it elsewhere either. kcm_gtk-1.1-13.2.i586 is installed. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 11 April 2011 19:33:44 Felix Miata wrote:
Is "modules" a title? I noticed "Settings" above "Run Command" after starting the thread. The settings menu extends out to contain most of what's missing from kcontrol itself, but GTK isn't in "Appearance & Themes" following "Fonts" like one familiar with KDE3 would expect, and I don't see it elsewhere either.
kcm_gtk-1.1-13.2.i586 is installed.
I have it there. Try re-install or install gtk-qt-engine which has the same functionality. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/04/11 16:08 (GMT-0400) Ilya Chernykh composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
Is "modules" a title? I noticed "Settings" above "Run Command" after starting the thread. The settings menu extends out to contain most of what's missing from kcontrol itself, but GTK isn't in "Appearance& Themes" following "Fonts" like one familiar with KDE3 would expect, and I don't see it elsewhere either.
kcm_gtk-1.1-13.2.i586 is installed.
I have it there. Try re-install or install gtk-qt-engine which has the same functionality.
This is a fresh install, with both gtk-qt-engine and kcm-gtk, but nothing in any menu to control fonts in gtk apps. ~/.kderc exists, but only it and Trolltech.conf and nothing else contain anything about font sizes that I can find. Here's a funny one: # zypper in -f kcm_gtk Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... Forcing installation of 'kcm_gtk-1.1-13.2.i586' from repository 'openSUSE-11.4-OSS'. Resolving package dependencies... Problem: cannot install both kcm_gtk-1.1-13.2.i586 and kcm_gtk-1.1-13.2.i586 Solution 1: do not keep kcm_gtk-1.1-13.2.i586 installed Solution 2: do not install kcm_gtk-1.1-13.2.i586 Choose from above solutions by number or cancel [1/2/c] (c): :-p I chose 1. Lo and behold, GTK Styles and Fonts shows up in the Settings menu now. :-) But, it's already set to use KDE fonts in GTK applications. Restarting Konq4 didn't change its menu fonts, and neither did restarting KDE3. :-( kcmshell4 --list still produces a short list with no fonts. :-( kcmshell4 khtml_appearance is also using the tiny fonts. I wonder if this is controlled by qt4? I've been unable to figure out how to run the qt4 version of qtconfig, only the qt3 version, which I have set to 10. Now that GTK appearance has been run, I do have a ~/.gtk-2.0-kde file, but after running kcmshell4 khtml_appearance, the only font I can find set to 9 is taskbarFont in kdeglobals. I changed the major web page fonts to Droid Sans, Droid Sans Mono & Droid Serif, which shows up in ~/.kde4/share/config/konquerorrc and for Rekonq in ~/.kde4/share/config/rekonqrc, but in neither do I see anything resembling sizing of UI text. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 12 April 2011 01:27:07 Felix Miata wrote:
This is a fresh install, with both gtk-qt-engine and kcm-gtk,
This is impossible. They conflict with each other.
I chose 1. Lo and behold, GTK Styles and Fonts shows up in the Settings menu now. :-) But, it's already set to use KDE fonts in GTK applications. Restarting Konq4 didn't change its menu fonts, and neither did restarting KDE3. :-(
If you want to set up konq4's appearance you have to start KDE4's systemsettings. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/04/12 01:35 (GMT+0400) Ilya Chernykh composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
This is a fresh install, with both gtk-qt-engine and kcm-gtk,
This is impossible.
Nevertheless, rpm & zypper both report both are installed.
They conflict with each other.
So which should be installed, and which not?
I chose 1. Lo and behold, GTK Styles and Fonts shows up in the Settings menu now. :-) But, it's already set to use KDE fonts in GTK applications. Restarting Konq4 didn't change its menu fonts, and neither did restarting KDE3. :-(
If you want to set up konq4's appearance you have to start KDE4's systemsettings.
You must not have read the whole thread, or got lost trying. I've been unable to get zypper or YaST2 to find me a package named or containing systemsettings for KDE4 to install. All either tell me about are tied to KDE3: # zypper se systemsettings (4 total, 2 debug, 1 source, 1 installed) # zypper se ontrol | grep kd # # zypper se ettings | grep kd # Looking manually through the 11.3 & 11.4 repos I've been unable to locate systemsettings-4* as well. Apparently it's buried in one of the base KDE4 packages. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 12 April 2011 02:08:33 Felix Miata wrote:
This is impossible.
Nevertheless, rpm & zypper both report both are installed.
They conflict with each other.
So which should be installed, and which not?
gtk-qt-engine is the newer version of the same package. It has additional functionality. gtk-qt-engine is version 0.8 kcm_gtk is version 0.7 kcm_gtk is kept in the repository because support of qt engines in gtk app is not perfect.
I chose 1. Lo and behold, GTK Styles and Fonts shows up in the Settings menu now. :-) But, it's already set to use KDE fonts in GTK applications. Restarting Konq4 didn't change its menu fonts, and neither did restarting KDE3. :-(
If you want to set up konq4's appearance you have to start KDE4's systemsettings.
You must not have read the whole thread, or got lost trying. I've been unable to get zypper or YaST2 to find me a package named or containing systemsettings for KDE4 to install. All either tell me about are tied to KDE3:
kdebase4-workspace -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 12 April 2011 02:08:33 Felix Miata wrote:
Nevertheless, rpm & zypper both report both are installed.
This is because you installed kcm_gtk for KDE4. kcm_gtk for KDE3 has name kde3-kcm_gtk. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On 04/11/2011 10:33 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2011/04/11 19:19 (GMT+0400) Ilya Chernykh composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
Since kcontrol has nothing to select in the left pane, one must run kcmshell for individual modules to control them. However, I see nothing relating to managing gtk apps in kcmshell help. How does one configure gtk apps via kcmshell? Or, better yet, get kcontrol to show what belongs in its left pane?
Don't you have kcontrol modules in the settings menu?
Is "modules" a title? I noticed "Settings" above "Run Command" after starting the thread. The settings menu extends out to contain most of what's missing from kcontrol itself, but GTK isn't in "Appearance & Themes" following "Fonts" like one familiar with KDE3 would expect, and I don't see it elsewhere either.
kcm_gtk-1.1-13.2.i586 is installed.
Felix, It's 'kcmshell kcmgtk' it gets installed in: /opt/kde3/share/applications/kcmgtk.desktop instead of with everything else in: /opt/kde3/share/applications/kde ... it's probably Roberts fault :) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 23:00, David C. Rankin
On 04/11/2011 10:33 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2011/04/11 19:19 (GMT+0400) Ilya Chernykh composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
Since kcontrol has nothing to select in the left pane, one must run kcmshell for individual modules to control them. However, I see nothing relating to managing gtk apps in kcmshell help. How does one configure gtk apps via kcmshell? Or, better yet, get kcontrol to show what belongs in its left pane?
Don't you have kcontrol modules in the settings menu?
Is "modules" a title? I noticed "Settings" above "Run Command" after starting the thread. The settings menu extends out to contain most of what's missing from kcontrol itself, but GTK isn't in "Appearance & Themes" following "Fonts" like one familiar with KDE3 would expect, and I don't see it elsewhere either.
kcm_gtk-1.1-13.2.i586 is installed.
Felix,
It's 'kcmshell kcmgtk' it gets installed in:
/opt/kde3/share/applications/kcmgtk.desktop
instead of with everything else in:
/opt/kde3/share/applications/kde
... it's probably Roberts fault :)
I haven't done anything to KDE:KDE3 yet, David. I still have yet to find time to move everything. -- later, Robert Xu -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 12 April 2011 07:00:50 David C. Rankin wrote:
It's 'kcmshell kcmgtk' it gets installed in:
/opt/kde3/share/applications/kcmgtk.desktop
instead of with everything else in:
/opt/kde3/share/applications/kde
... it's probably Roberts fault :)
Robert never did contribute to KDE3 in KDE3 repository. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/04/11 22:00 (GMT-0500) David C. Rankin composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
Ilya Chernykh composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
Since kcontrol has nothing to select in the left pane, one must run kcmshell for individual modules to control them. However, I see nothing relating to managing gtk apps in kcmshell help. How does one configure gtk apps via kcmshell? Or, better yet, get kcontrol to show what belongs in its left pane?
Don't you have kcontrol modules in the settings menu?
Is "modules" a title? I noticed "Settings" above "Run Command" after starting the thread. The settings menu extends out to contain most of what's missing from kcontrol itself, but GTK isn't in "Appearance& Themes" following "Fonts" like one familiar with KDE3 would expect, and I don't see it elsewhere either.
kcm_gtk-1.1-13.2.i586 is installed.
It's 'kcmshell kcmgtk' it gets installed in:
/opt/kde3/share/applications/kcmgtk.desktop
Yup, but must have been missing until I reinstalled the package.
instead of with everything else in:
/opt/kde3/share/applications/kde
So from there I went on to try kcmshell4 kcmgtk4. It opened up with a blank up top in the "Use style" select list, but use KDE... below. I opened the list, selected QT, then opened Konq4, but it didn't help. I logged out, then back in, but that didn't help either. I tried changing from QT to Sonar, and logging out and back in, but still no change, so I changed back to QT, then in kcmgtk4 changed from KDE fonts to gtk 10, also without effect. I was still suspecting that qtconfig v4 needed to be run, but on opening qtconfig, I see that it uses 4.7.1. I wonder if Konq4 is supposed to be using ~/.config/Trolltech.conf, but isn't? How would I find that out? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 12 April 2011 13:53:20 Felix Miata wrote:
So from there I went on to try kcmshell4 kcmgtk4. It opened up with a blank up top in the "Use style" select list, but use KDE... below. I opened the list, selected QT, then opened Konq4, but it didn't help.
Konqueror is a part of KDE. It is a Qt application, not GTK application. How do you hope to change the look of Qt4 application by using GTK control module? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/04/12 14:13 (GMT+0400) Ilya Chernykh composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
So from there I went on to try kcmshell4 kcmgtk4. It opened up with a blank up top in the "Use style" select list, but use KDE... below. I opened the list, selected QT, then opened Konq4, but it didn't help.
Konqueror is a part of KDE. It is a Qt application, not GTK application. How do you hope to change the look of Qt4 application by using GTK control module?
Sometimes when logical avenues fail, one tries outside the box, in case that might stumble around a bug, or into an explanation for a bug, or pop an idea for something else to try. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 12 April 2011 13:53:20 Felix Miata wrote:
I was still suspecting that qtconfig v4 needed to be run, but on opening qtconfig, I see that it uses 4.7.1. I wonder if Konq4 is supposed to be using ~/.config/Trolltech.conf, but isn't? How would I find that out?
You have to install kdebase4-workspace and run systemsettings. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/04/12 14:14 (GMT+0400) Ilya Chernykh composed:
On Tuesday 12 April 2011 13:53:20 Felix Miata wrote:
I was still suspecting that qtconfig v4 needed to be run, but on opening qtconfig, I see that it uses 4.7.1. I wonder if Konq4 is supposed to be using ~/.config/Trolltech.conf, but isn't? How would I find that out?
You have to install kdebase4-workspace
That installed 10 packages, among them libgps19, libqalculate5, libqimageblitz4 & libraw1394-11, all of which look suspiciously like junkware I have no use for. Ancient machine has no firewire, no sound card, no GPS; and even with ksysguardd forbidden and --no-recommends.
and run systemsettings.
I'm having a problem imagining how running systemsettings is going to tell me if KDE4 is or is supposed to be using ~/.conf/Trolltech.conf. :-( -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 12 April 2011 15:07:06 Felix Miata wrote:
You have to install kdebase4-workspace
That installed 10 packages, among them libgps19, libqalculate5, libqimageblitz4 & libraw1394-11, all of which look suspiciously like junkware I have no use for. Ancient machine has no firewire, no sound card, no GPS; and even with ksysguardd forbidden and --no-recommends.
In that case I have no idea why do you want to use Konqueror from KDE4, which is essential part of that desktop, under KDE3.
and run systemsettings.
I'm having a problem imagining how running systemsettings is going to tell me if KDE4 is or is supposed to be using ~/.conf/Trolltech.conf. :-(
Konqueror/KDE4 uses KDE4 settings, not Qt4 ones. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/04/12 13:36 (GMT+0400) Ilya Chernykh composed:
In that case I have no idea why do you want to use Konqueror from KDE4, which is essential part of that desktop, under KDE3.
As I mentioned at the start of the thread on point, this is a test box. One test is that of the latest available web browsers on a much slower than current machine. Presumably, the KHTML version in Konq4 has the latest/more CSS3 support, which I would not expect to find in the KHTML version on which Konq3 is based. I'd like to be wrong, but don't have anything to go on except my presumption. A particular reason to run KDE3, far from the only one, which in this case of browser testing and resulting screenshots, is KDE4's laggard file picker https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=675370 -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 12 April 2011 15:52:43 Felix Miata wrote:
In that case I have no idea why do you want to use Konqueror from KDE4, which is essential part of that desktop, under KDE3.
As I mentioned at the start of the thread on point, this is a test box. One test is that of the latest available web browsers on a much slower than current machine. Presumably, the KHTML version in Konq4 has the latest/more CSS3 support, which I would not expect to find in the KHTML version on which Konq3 is based. I'd like to be wrong, but don't have anything to go on except my presumption.
You can try to use Opera browser. For example, a Qt3 version: ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/infosys/browsers/opera/linux/1001/final/en/i386/shared/opera-10.01.gcc4.shared.qt3.i386.rpm ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/infosys/browsers/opera/linux/1001/final/en/x86_64/opera-10.01.gcc4.shared.qt3.x86_64.rpm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/04/12 16:08 (GMT+0400) Ilya Chernykh composed:
You can try to use Opera browser...
Again you missed the point. Browser testing is about testing browser behaviors on web pages, which should be DTE agnostic. There's no way to see what KHTML browsers do by running Opera. Opera is its own can of worms, annoying to configure for high DPI environment, and lying about DPI like IE and Safari. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
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