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kanenas

11 Jan 2012 11 Jan '12

02:12

It took a while, but everything i want out of my 'puters is being delivered by suse 12.1/kde3, that of course being " ALMOST everything," there is just one thing remaining: The only issue is that kde3 somehow fails to recognize my digital camera, a fuji 500esr; the camerta can be seen in gnome and kde4, but *not* in kde3. my ancient olympus *is* visible.(Olympus has a std mini usb plug, fuji has a micro-usb plug if that means anything). The maddening thing is that virtualbox windoze vms do see the fuji and i can move the pics from the camera thru a windoze app, also the built in chipcard reader now works on the laptop, so i do have a workaround or two, even if i don't want to load kde4 or gnome, but still, i would like to plug in the camera and have the 'puter see it. is my camra a usb 3.0 or something and does kde3 need an update to see the relatively new device? has there been an update on usb device protocols lately? any suggestions? also, as an fyi, getting the mike (and skype) to work requires the pulse audio volume pavucontrol app, removing pulse audio was not the answer for me,it's removal caused more problems in 12.1. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

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David C. Rankin

11 Jan 11 Jan

02:29

On 01/10/2012 08:12 PM, kanenas wrote:

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It took a while, but everything i want out of my 'puters is being delivered by suse 12.1/kde3, that of course being " ALMOST everything," there is just one thing remaining: The only issue is that kde3 somehow fails to recognize my digital camera, a fuji 500esr; the camerta can be seen in gnome and kde4, but *not* in kde3. my ancient olympus *is* visible.(Olympus has a std mini usb plug, fuji has a micro-usb plug if that means anything). The maddening thing is that virtualbox windoze vms do see the fuji and i can move the pics from the camera thru a windoze app, also the built in chipcard reader now works on the laptop, so i do have a workaround or two, even if i don't want to load kde4 or gnome, but still, i would like to plug in the camera and have the 'puter see it. is my camra a usb 3.0 or something and does kde3 need an update to see the relatively new device? has there been an update on usb device protocols lately? any suggestions?

also, as an fyi, getting the mike (and skype) to work requires the pulse audio volume pavucontrol app, removing pulse audio was not the answer for me,it's removal caused more problems in 12.1.

Kanenas, I am seeing the same thing in 11.4. Digikam used to see all my cameras, now none of them will work. I'm not sure what the problem is. I posted this earlier about 11.4, but as of yet I have no responses. See "digikam no longer recognizes camera" Hopefully, this will get identified and sorted out soon. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

kanenas

04:02

On 01/10/2012 04:29 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:

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On 01/10/2012 08:12 PM, kanenas wrote:

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It took a while, but everything i want out of my 'puters is being delivered by suse 12.1/kde3, that of course being " ALMOST everything," there is just one thing remaining: The only issue is that kde3 somehow fails to recognize my digital camera, a fuji 500esr; the camerta can be seen in gnome and kde4, but *not* in kde3. my ancient olympus *is* visible.(Olympus has a std mini usb plug, fuji has a micro-usb plug if that means anything). The maddening thing is that virtualbox windoze vms do see the fuji and i can move the pics from the camera thru a windoze app, also the built in chipcard reader now works on the laptop, so i do have a workaround or two, even if i don't want to load kde4 or gnome, but still, i would like to plug in the camera and have the 'puter see it. is my camra a usb 3.0 or something and does kde3 need an update to see the relatively new device? has there been an update on usb device protocols lately? any suggestions?

also, as an fyi, getting the mike (and skype) to work requires the pulse audio volume pavucontrol app, removing pulse audio was not the answer for me,it's removal caused more problems in 12.1.

Kanenas,

I am seeing the same thing in 11.4. Digikam used to see all my cameras, now none of them will work. I'm not sure what the problem is. I posted this earlier about 11.4, but as of yet I have no responses. See "digikam no longer recognizes camera"

Hopefully, this will get identified and sorted out soon.

yea, i was gonna add to your post, but i thought it might not be the same thing... i am afraid that keeping strigi and akonadi and selinux out has it's price:) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

David C. Rankin

12 Jan 12 Jan

13:58

On 01/10/2012 10:02 PM, kanenas wrote:

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Hopefully, this will get identified and sorted out soon.

yea, i was gonna add to your post, but i thought it might not be the same thing... i am afraid that keeping strigi and akonadi and selinux out has it's price:)

Kanenas, I suspect it actually has something to do with udev. I don't know what has changed, but kde3/digikam worked flawlessly with all my cameras, iPhones, etc.. up until a month or so ago and then stopped. When it stopped, I tried to manually browse the devices with konqueror and the mounted filesystem structure just seemed to keep repeating itself and never actually getting to the directory that holds the photos. Here is a screenshot of what I get today: http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/bugs/openSUSE/114/kde3/konqueror-digikam-error... In this screenshot, I have connected the iPhone via usb and I have always been able to browse or download from the "USB PTP Class Camera" directory. Now when I try and open that folder, it just keeps repeating itself over-and-over again. That's what is preventing digikam from every finding the photos. Food For Thought ;-) I grow more and more suspicious that Microsoft is the brainchild behind KDE4 and Gnome3. How do you kill Linux? Answer: Convince it to scrap its working elegant and efficient desktops for alpha/beta versions of promised newer "gee-whiz" desktops that never actually get finished.... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

kanenas＠hawaii.rr.com

22:30

On Thursday 12 January 2012 03:58:57 am David C. Rankin wrote:

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On 01/10/2012 10:02 PM, kanenas wrote:

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Hopefully, this will get identified and sorted out soon.

yea, i was gonna add to your post, but i thought it might not be the same thing... i am afraid that keeping strigi and akonadi and selinux out has it's price:)

Kanenas,

I suspect it actually has something to do with udev. I don't know what has changed, but kde3/digikam worked flawlessly with all my cameras, iPhones, etc.. up until a month or so ago and then stopped. When it stopped, I tried to manually browse the devices with konqueror and the mounted filesystem structure just seemed to keep repeating itself and never actually getting to the directory that holds the photos. Here is a screenshot of what I get today:

http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/bugs/openSUSE/114/kde3/konqueror-digikam-erro r.jpg

In this screenshot, I have connected the iPhone via usb and I have always been able to browse or download from the "USB PTP Class Camera" directory. Now when I try and open that folder, it just keeps repeating itself over-and-over again. That's what is preventing digikam from every finding the photos.

Food For Thought ;-)

I grow more and more suspicious that Microsoft is the brainchild behind KDE4 and Gnome3. How do you kill Linux?

Answer: Convince it to scrap its working elegant and efficient desktops for alpha/beta versions of promised newer "gee-whiz" desktops that never actually get finished....

-- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.

i like conspiracy theories:) now here is a small matrix of what works and does not work for me with the camera: Again, this is how the camera is seen, not if kde3 runs on the os's, that is a given:) 1. desktop: 11.1 / kde3-yes.----- 12.1 / kde3 - NO---- 12.1 / gnome -yes 12.1 / kde4 need to trouble shoot, don't get a screen, kde4 and gnome were installed after kde3, very low priority item tho... 2. laptop: 11.1 / kde3 -yes (was removed tho, now i ask myself why.....) 12.1 / kde3 -NO -----12.1 / kde4 ---YES no gnome was intalled. 11.4 / kde3 - YES!!! my suspicions also point toward udev, but it might be / probably is that the haldaemon that somehow fails to pick up all of the udev info. since kde4 does not use hal it is obvious the info *is* there, now the question is if hal can be patched for this... finally, to complete the conspiracy theory plot, we might want to ask if the brand new udev deliberately fails to pass info to hal:)))) d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

Larry Stotler

15:10

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 9:29 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:

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I am seeing the same thing in 11.4. Digikam used to see all my cameras, now none of them will work. I'm not sure what the problem is. I posted this earlier about 11.4, but as of yet I have no responses. See "digikam no longer recognizes camera"

Is HAL enabled? Or capable of being enabled in 12.1? IIRC, digikam for KDE3 required HAl to see the cameras. I know that my KPowersave didn't work in 11.4 until I enabled HAL. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

David C. Rankin

13 Jan 13 Jan

05:46

On 01/12/2012 09:10 AM, Larry Stotler wrote:

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On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 9:29 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:

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I am seeing the same thing in 11.4. Digikam used to see all my cameras, now none of them will work. I'm not sure what the problem is. I posted this earlier about 11.4, but as of yet I have no responses. See "digikam no longer recognizes camera"

Is HAL enabled? Or capable of being enabled in 12.1? IIRC, digikam for KDE3 required HAl to see the cameras. I know that my KPowersave didn't work in 11.4 until I enabled HAL.

Hmm.. Larry, Interesting theory. Let's see, on 11.4 I have: 08:00 alchemy:~/Documents/ideapad> ps ax | grep hal 1527 ? Ssl 1:23 /usr/sbin/hald --daemon=yes 1779 ? S 0:00 hald-runner 1947 ? S 0:04 hald-addon-input: Listening on /dev/input/event0 /dev/input/event4 /dev/input/event6 /dev/input/event5 /dev/input/event3 /dev/input/event8 1959 ? S 0:00 /usr/lib/hal/hald-addon-rfkill-killswitch 1984 ? S 0:00 /usr/lib/hal/hald-addon-generic-backlight 2028 ? S 3:12 hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/sr0 (every 2 sec) 2052 ? S 0:00 /usr/lib/hal/hald-addon-cpufreq 2053 ? S 0:04 hald-addon-acpi: listening on acpid socket /var/run/acpid.socket Yup! Hal is running away.. I'll try and look closer at what is and what isn't activated on USB plugin. I'm not that good as sorting out these type of errors, but at least I can forward along any indications I get so the smart folks can help narrow it down :) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

kanenas＠hawaii.rr.com

18 Jan 18 Jan

06:50

On Thursday 12 January 2012 07:46:04 pm David C. Rankin wrote:

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On 01/12/2012 09:10 AM, Larry Stotler wrote:

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On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 9:29 PM, David C. Rankin

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I am seeing the same thing in 11.4. Digikam used to see all my cameras, now none of them will work. I'm not sure what the problem is. I posted this earlier about 11.4, but as of yet I have no responses. See "digikam no longer recognizes camera"

Is HAL enabled? Or capable of being enabled in 12.1? IIRC, digikam for KDE3 required HAl to see the cameras. I know that my KPowersave didn't work in 11.4 until I enabled HAL.

Hmm.. Larry,

Interesting theory. Let's see, on 11.4 I have:

08:00 alchemy:~/Documents/ideapad> ps ax | grep hal 1527 ? Ssl 1:23 /usr/sbin/hald --daemon=yes 1779 ? S 0:00 hald-runner 1947 ? S 0:04 hald-addon-input: Listening on /dev/input/event0 /dev/input/event4 /dev/input/event6 /dev/input/event5 /dev/input/event3 /dev/input/event8 1959 ? S 0:00 /usr/lib/hal/hald-addon-rfkill-killswitch 1984 ? S 0:00 /usr/lib/hal/hald-addon-generic-backlight 2028 ? S 3:12 hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/sr0 (every 2 sec) 2052 ? S 0:00 /usr/lib/hal/hald-addon-cpufreq 2053 ? S 0:04 hald-addon-acpi: listening on acpid socket /var/run/acpid.socket

Yup! Hal is running away.. I'll try and look closer at what is and what isn't activated on USB plugin. I'm not that good as sorting out these type of errors, but at least I can forward along any indications I get so the smart folks can help narrow it down :)

-- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.

ok, this is only about 12.1, have not tried it in 11.4: Here is an fyi re hal. first i disabled it in system services and i could still see my cd/dvd drive in /dev/sr0, also anything i plugged in the usb ports, *with the exception of my camera*. in step 2 i removed everything hal in Yast, the only complaint was about kpowersave, it got clobbered, but all usb devices and cd/dvd and chip card devices that were visible with hal are still visible without hal. The interesting thing is that, in 12.1, when gnome or kde4 are fired up, the camera does not exactly show up as a storage device, instead it appears as something else, in kde4 it was a webcam, don't remember what it appeared as in gnome. so perhaps kde3 just can not pick up these newfangled notifications,eh? d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

Ilya Chernykh

06:59

On Wednesday 18 January 2012 10:50:36 kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote:

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ok, this is only about 12.1, have not tried it in 11.4:

Here is an fyi re hal. first i disabled it in system services and i could still see my cd/dvd drive in /dev/sr0, also anything i plugged in the usb ports, *with the exception of my camera*. in step 2 i removed everything hal in Yast, the only complaint was about kpowersave, it got clobbered, but all usb devices and cd/dvd and chip card devices that were visible with hal are still visible without hal. The interesting thing is that, in 12.1, when gnome or kde4 are fired up, the camera does not exactly show up as a storage device, instead it appears as something else, in kde4 it was a webcam, don't remember what it appeared as in gnome. so perhaps kde3 just can not pick up these newfangled notifications,eh?

This is because without hal kde uses another method to determine the type of device. Any device with name starting with sr* is thought to be a hard drive. If you want to restore the previous behavior, use the hal-enabled package from here: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE3:/HAL-enabled/openSUSE_12... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

kanenas＠hawaii.rr.com

08:35

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On Wednesday 18 January 2012 10:50:36 kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote:

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ok, this is only about 12.1, have not tried it in 11.4:

Here is an fyi re hal. first i disabled it in system services and i could still see my cd/dvd drive in /dev/sr0, also anything i plugged in the usb ports, *with the exception of my camera*. in step 2 i removed everything hal in Yast, the only complaint was about kpowersave, it got clobbered, but all usb devices and cd/dvd and chip card devices that were visible with hal are still visible without hal. The interesting thing is that, in 12.1, when gnome or kde4 are fired up, the camera does not exactly show up as a storage device, instead it appears as something else, in kde4 it was a webcam, don't remember what it appeared as in gnome. so perhaps kde3 just can not pick up these newfangled notifications,eh?

This is because without hal kde uses another method to determine the type of device. Any device with name starting with sr* is thought to be a hard drive. If you want to restore the previous behavior, use the hal-enabled package from here:

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE3:/HAL-enabled/openSUSE_1 2.1/ getting a little closer: I added the site to my repositories, then installed all the files from that depositoryabove, all the kdebase3 shtuff, plus two more files listed in the

On Tuesday 17 January 2012 08:59:05 pm Ilya Chernykh wrote: directory. Now i get a popup about a new medium detected,the medium type is a Camera, the two options available are opening it inj a new window, or browse it in Gwenview. gwenview just shows empty, opening in a new window produces a conq window with one folder in it. the window is titled system:/media/camera, has one folder named "USB PTP Class Camera", and clicking on it just opens up one more folder named exactly the same, ad infinitum!! below is the logs "tail" , from /var/log/messages: ............................ 12point1-home:/home/plain # tail -f /var/log/messages Jan 17 22:02:56 12point1-home dbus[996]: [system] Activating service name='org.f reedesktop.Hal' (using servicehelper) Jan 17 22:03:19 12point1-home kernel: [ 801.456024] usb 2-2: new high speed USB device number 6 using ehci_hcd Jan 17 22:03:19 12point1-home kernel: [ 801.571419] usb 2-2: New USB device fou nd, idVendor=04cb, idProduct=022e Jan 17 22:03:19 12point1-home kernel: [ 801.571423] usb 2-2: New USB device str ings: Mfr=0, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 Jan 17 22:03:19 12point1-home kernel: [ 801.571427] usb 2-2: Product: USB PTP C amera Jan 17 22:03:19 12point1-home kernel: [ 801.571430] usb 2-2: SerialNumber: 592D 36323432110505EC0320211B78 Jan 17 22:03:19 12point1-home mtp-probe: checking bus 2, device 6: "/sys/devices /pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb2/2-2" Jan 17 22:03:19 12point1-home mtp-probe: bus: 2, device: 6 was not an MTP device Jan 17 22:03:21 12point1-home dbus[996]: [system] Failed to activate service 'or g.freedesktop.Hal': timed out Jan 17 22:03:37 12point1-home su: (to root) plain on /dev/pts/4 Jan 17 22:04:00 12point1-home su: (to root) plain on /dev/pts/5 Jan 17 22:04:27 12point1-home acpid: 1 client rule loaded Jan 17 22:04:37 12point1-home kernel: [ 880.070026] usb 2-2: USB disconnect, de vice number 6 Jan 17 22:04:47 12point1-home kernel: [ 890.056024] usb 2-2: new high speed USB device number 7 using ehci_hcd Jan 17 22:04:47 12point1-home kernel: [ 890.171526] usb 2-2: New USB device fou nd, idVendor=04cb, idProduct=022e Jan 17 22:04:47 12point1-home kernel: [ 890.171530] usb 2-2: New USB device str ings: Mfr=0, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 Jan 17 22:04:47 12point1-home kernel: [ 890.171534] usb 2-2: Product: USB PTP C amera Jan 17 22:04:47 12point1-home kernel: [ 890.171537] usb 2-2: SerialNumber: 592D 36323432110505EC0320211B78 Jan 17 22:04:47 12point1-home mtp-probe: checking bus 2, device 7: "/sys/devices /pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb2/2-2" Jan 17 22:04:48 12point1-home mtp-probe: bus: 2, device: 7 was not an MTP device .......................... d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

Ilya Chernykh

07:01

On Wednesday 18 January 2012 10:50:36 kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote:

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The interesting thing is that, in 12.1, when gnome or kde4 are fired up, the camera does not exactly show up as a storage device, instead it appears as something else, in kde4 it was a webcam, don't remember what it appeared as in gnome. so perhaps kde3 just can not pick up these newfangled notifications,eh?

Are you sure it can work as a storage device then? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

kanenas＠hawaii.rr.com

07:32

On Tuesday 17 January 2012 09:01:20 pm Ilya Chernykh wrote:

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On Wednesday 18 January 2012 10:50:36 kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote:

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The interesting thing is that, in 12.1, when gnome or kde4 are fired up, the camera does not exactly show up as a storage device, instead it appears as something else, in kde4 it was a webcam, don't remember what it appeared as in gnome. so perhaps kde3 just can not pick up these newfangled notifications,eh?

Are you sure it can work as a storage device then?

thanks for the previous suggestion Ilia, will try in half hour:) regarding the camera, it stores the pics i take as jpegs, it has been used and mounted as a storage device in 11.1, whatever designation it has had in kde4 still allowed me to download the pics, same thing in gnome3, so i guess that it does work as a storage device. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

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