sooo, it has been a while since I asked this question: is it possible to use kde3 kmail in suse12.xx, without kmail constantly losing track of previously downloaded mail from the server? this has been my experience with *every* installation I have tried to date ; this has forced me to other mail readers, but i still like the old kmail... thanks, d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
Le vendredi 19 juillet 2013, kanenas a écrit :
sooo, it has been a while since I asked this question: is it possible to use kde3 kmail in suse12.xx, without kmail constantly losing track of previously downloaded mail from the server? this has been my experience with *every* installation I have tried to date ; this has forced me to other mail readers, but i still like the old kmail...
thanks, d.
Hello kanenas, hello all, I am using Oss 12.2, and have problems related to the list of mails on the server, but only sometime, and sufficiently rarely to permite me to use this excellent KMail KDE 3.5 (well, don't know KDE 4, and tested some others: no thank you!). I just use to close it most of the time, instead of leting him asking for status of the servers regularely, because I think that these list problems occure after a (relative) long time KMail is running. May be it is related to KDE because the task-bar disapears too, and other small problems, but still after a long time KDE being running I run oss 12.2 in it's x86_64 flavour. Cheers, Patrick -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Patrick,
him asking for status of the servers regularely, because I think that these list problems occure after a (relative) long time KMail is running. May be it is related to KDE because the task-bar disapears too, and other small problems, but still after a long time KDE being running
This is interesting. I run KDE3 under opensuse 11.3 x86_64 and the taskbar never disappears (my uptime is over 90 days). Is this a problem related to 12.x? Just a curiosity: have you tried LXDE? Not so powerful as KDE3 but lightweight and you can still run KDE3 (and KDE4) applications under LXDE. Of course, I would miss my nice KDE3 desktop and its capabilities. Thanks, Gianluca ----------------------------------------------------- Gianluca Interlandi, PhD gianluca@u.washington.edu +1 (206) 685 4435 http://artemide.bioeng.washington.edu/ Research Scientist at the Department of Bioengineering at the University of Washington, Seattle WA U.S.A. ----------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
Le vendredi 19 juillet 2013, Gianluca Interlandi a écrit :
Hi Patrick,
This is interesting. I run KDE3 under opensuse 11.3 x86_64 and the taskbar never disappears (my uptime is over 90 days). Is this a problem related to 12.x? Just a curiosity: have you tried LXDE? Not so powerful as KDE3 but lightweight and you can still run KDE3 (and KDE4) applications under LXDE. Of course, I would miss my nice KDE3 desktop and its capabilities.
Thanks,
Gianluca
Hi Gianluca, hi all, I was running Oss 11.1 + KDE3 before the Oss 12.2, and changed because of a new mother board (-: equiped with a 8 cores processor waiting at 3 GHz my 1 Hz key typing!) and did not have such problem with it. Anyway I live with my 12.2! It appends much less than once per day, now. You must take care of my observations, because I'm not so sure: I spent a lot of time trying others systems and others windows managers, and having difficulties with them, too. I had terrible difficulties with Grub, too, because this bord has IDE and SATA, with two disks on eatch… And I saw with big interest that KDE3 applications were running with Xfce (but not KMail ?). I gaveup with 12.3 because of it's uncapability to start X correctly more than two consecutive times (?! this is my interpretation of the miss function). Today, with Oss 12.2, the sound system fails sometime too, but with one sound: for exemple, a bug is displayed when the sound of an alert window should be played, and then this sound will not be played again untill I restart the cession, but the sound related to the openning of a modal dialog (or other sounds) are still played correctly. I was thinking that the windows managers are tested with systems hosted by an other one (that could be Windows!), and that's why there are a lot of bugs XWindow or sound related that are ignored by the devloppers! Cheers, Patrick -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
Patrick, I was able to install openSUSE 12.2 with KDE3 on a DELL laptop. Everything was working including suspend, hibernate, sound, kpowersave (after fixing a little issue with hal), etc. I have not tried just let it run for a long period of time and I don't use kmail. But maybe I can try to see whether I can replicate the issues that you see. Gianluca On Sat, 20 Jul 2013, Patrick Serru wrote:
Le vendredi 19 juillet 2013, Gianluca Interlandi a écrit :
Hi Patrick,
This is interesting. I run KDE3 under opensuse 11.3 x86_64 and the taskbar never disappears (my uptime is over 90 days). Is this a problem related to 12.x? Just a curiosity: have you tried LXDE? Not so powerful as KDE3 but lightweight and you can still run KDE3 (and KDE4) applications under LXDE. Of course, I would miss my nice KDE3 desktop and its capabilities.
Thanks,
Gianluca
Hi Gianluca, hi all,
I was running Oss 11.1 + KDE3 before the Oss 12.2, and changed because of a new mother board (-: equiped with a 8 cores processor waiting at 3 GHz my 1 Hz key typing!) and did not have such problem with it. Anyway I live with my 12.2! It appends much less than once per day, now. You must take care of my observations, because I'm not so sure: I spent a lot of time trying others systems and others windows managers, and having difficulties with them, too. I had terrible difficulties with Grub, too, because this bord has IDE and SATA, with two disks on eatch? And I saw with big interest that KDE3 applications were running with Xfce (but not KMail ?).
I gaveup with 12.3 because of it's uncapability to start X correctly more than two consecutive times (?! this is my interpretation of the miss function). Today, with Oss 12.2, the sound system fails sometime too, but with one sound: for exemple, a bug is displayed when the sound of an alert window should be played, and then this sound will not be played again untill I restart the cession, but the sound related to the openning of a modal dialog (or other sounds) are still played correctly.
I was thinking that the windows managers are tested with systems hosted by an other one (that could be Windows!), and that's why there are a lot of bugs XWindow or sound related that are ignored by the devloppers!
Cheers, Patrick -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
----------------------------------------------------- Gianluca Interlandi, PhD gianluca@u.washington.edu +1 (206) 685 4435 http://artemide.bioeng.washington.edu/ Research Scientist at the Department of Bioengineering at the University of Washington, Seattle WA U.S.A. -----------------------------------------------------
On Saturday 20 July 2013 05:53:14 am Gianluca Interlandi wrote:
Patrick,
I was able to install openSUSE 12.2 with KDE3 on a DELL laptop. Everything was working including suspend, hibernate, sound, kpowersave (after fixing a little issue with hal), etc. I have not tried just let it run for a long period of time and I don't use kmail. But maybe I can try to see whether I can replicate the issues that you see.
Gianluca
On Sat, 20 Jul 2013, Patrick Serru wrote:
Le vendredi 19 juillet 2013, Gianluca Interlandi a écrit :
Hi Patrick,
This is interesting. I run KDE3 under opensuse 11.3 x86_64 and the taskbar never disappears (my uptime is over 90 days). Is this a problem related to 12.x? Just a curiosity: have you tried LXDE? Not so powerful as KDE3 but lightweight and you can still run KDE3 (and KDE4) applications under LXDE. Of course, I would miss my nice KDE3 desktop and its capabilities.
Thanks,
Gianluca
----------------------------------------------------- Hi Gianluca, hi all,
I was running Oss 11.1 + KDE3 before the Oss 12.2, and changed because of a new mother board (-: equiped with a 8 cores processor waiting at 3 GHz my 1 Hz key typing!) and did not have such problem with it. Anyway I live with my 12.2! It appends much less than once per day, now. You must take care of my observations, because I'm not so sure: I spent a lot of time trying others systems and others windows managers, and having difficulties with them, too. I had terrible difficulties with Grub, too, because this bord has IDE and SATA, with two disks on eatch? And I saw with big interest that KDE3 applications were running with Xfce (but not KMail ?).
I gaveup with 12.3 because of it's uncapability to start X correctly more than two consecutive times (?! this is my interpretation of the miss function). Today, with Oss 12.2, the sound system fails sometime too, but with one sound: for exemple, a bug is displayed when the sound of an alert window should be played, and then this sound will not be played again untill I restart the cession, but the sound related to the openning of a modal dialog (or other sounds) are still played correctly.
I was thinking that the windows managers are tested with systems hosted by an other one (that could be Windows!), and that's why there are a lot of bugs XWindow or sound related that are ignored by the devloppers!
Cheers, Patrick -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
----------------------------------------------------- Gianluca Interlandi, PhD gianluca@u.washington.edu +1 (206) 685 4435 http://artemide.bioeng.washington.edu/
Research Scientist at the Department of Bioengineering at the University of Washington, Seattle WA U.S.A. -----------------------------------------------------
The big problem is that in any suse higher than 11.4, kmail loses track of the UIDL (unique id list), sometimes it even spits out the message that the pop-server does not support the UIDL command, the result always ends up being duplicate messages, eventually a full download of the server mail everytime kmail checks mail... I have never had that issue with pre -12 versions. The work around fix would be to remove downloaded messages from the server, but there are reasons that prohibit that for these accounts. d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
Le samedi 20 juillet 2013, kanenas@hawaii.rr.com a écrit :
On Saturday 20 July 2013 05:53:14 am Gianluca Interlandi wrote:
Patrick,
I was able to install openSUSE 12.2 with KDE3 on a DELL laptop. Everything was working including suspend, hibernate, sound, kpowersave (after fixing a little issue with hal), etc. I have not tried just let it run for a long period of time and I don't use kmail. But maybe I can try to see whether I can replicate the issues that you see.
Gianluca
On Sat, 20 Jul 2013, Patrick Serru wrote:
Le vendredi 19 juillet 2013, Gianluca Interlandi a écrit :
Hi Patrick,
This is interesting. I run KDE3 under opensuse 11.3 x86_64 and the taskbar never disappears (my uptime is over 90 days). Is this a problem related to 12.x? Just a curiosity: have you tried LXDE? Not so powerful as KDE3 but lightweight and you can still run KDE3 (and KDE4) applications under LXDE. Of course, I would miss my nice KDE3 desktop and its capabilities.
Thanks,
Gianluca
----------------------------------------------------- Hi Gianluca, hi all,
I was running Oss 11.1 + KDE3 before the Oss 12.2, and changed because of a new mother board (-: equiped with a 8 cores processor waiting at 3 GHz my 1 Hz key typing!) and did not have such problem with it. Anyway I live with my 12.2! It appends much less than once per day, now. You must take care of my observations, because I'm not so sure: I spent a lot of time trying others systems and others windows managers, and having difficulties with them, too. I had terrible difficulties with Grub, too, because this bord has IDE and SATA, with two disks on eatch? And I saw with big interest that KDE3 applications were running with Xfce (but not KMail ?).
I gaveup with 12.3 because of it's uncapability to start X correctly more than two consecutive times (?! this is my interpretation of the miss function). Today, with Oss 12.2, the sound system fails sometime too, but with one sound: for exemple, a bug is displayed when the sound of an alert window should be played, and then this sound will not be played again untill I restart the cession, but the sound related to the openning of a modal dialog (or other sounds) are still played correctly.
I was thinking that the windows managers are tested with systems hosted by an other one (that could be Windows!), and that's why there are a lot of bugs XWindow or sound related that are ignored by the devloppers!
Cheers, Patrick -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
----------------------------------------------------- Gianluca Interlandi, PhD gianluca@u.washington.edu +1 (206) 685 4435 http://artemide.bioeng.washington.edu/
Research Scientist at the Department of Bioengineering at the University of Washington, Seattle WA U.S.A. -----------------------------------------------------
The big problem is that in any suse higher than 11.4, kmail loses track of the UIDL (unique id list), sometimes it even spits out the message that the pop-server does not support the UIDL command, the result always ends up being duplicate messages, eventually a full download of the server mail everytime kmail checks mail... I have never had that issue with pre -12 versions. The work around fix would be to remove downloaded messages from the server, but there are reasons that prohibit that for these accounts.
d.
Hi kanenas, and thank to both of you, That's what I observed. So a simple solution to reduce the probability of such miss understanding is… to switch KMail off! I did not and will not say that the task bar disapearing and the sound(s) problem was related to KMail. Further more, I wonder if the task bar did not disapeare sometime with Oss 11.1. I can realy live with these little problems. The life is so nice for me now that I have a "not too old" system I well know and unsderstand (I was using 10.3 and started 11.1 at a time it was allready obselate). It was so hard to reach this state, because of KDE4, system V init, X, grub… I can continue working today the way I like! I am not surprised at all that some of KDE3 users dont have problem with Oss 12.3, because I beleave that the problem comes from BOTH Xwindow AND the bios, because there were random memdumps (looking like hexdump) at boot time, and the length of these dumps were different from one cold reset to another. I thank you for your offer, Gianluca, but if you want to do something, do it with the objective of helping the KDE3 developpers team, and dont worry for me. Cheers, Patrick -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
I am not surprised at all that some of KDE3 users dont have problem with Oss 12.3, because I beleave that the problem comes from BOTH Xwindow AND the bios, because there were random memdumps (looking like hexdump) at boot time, and the length of these dumps were different from one cold reset to another. I thank you for your offer, Gianluca, but if you want to do something, do it with the objective of helping the KDE3 developpers team, and dont worry for me.
You are right, Patrick. I am really happy to have KDE3 on 11.3 right now. I don't know what I would have done without. I was so disappointed with KDE4. I hope that KDE3 keeps coming even with 13.x and beyond. It runs very very stable on three indenpendent 11.3 installations with KDE3. Gianluca ----------------------------------------------------- Gianluca Interlandi, PhD gianluca@u.washington.edu +1 (206) 685 4435 http://artemide.bioeng.washington.edu/ Research Scientist at the Department of Bioengineering at the University of Washington, Seattle WA U.S.A. ----------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
The big problem is that in any suse higher than 11.4, kmail loses track of the UIDL (unique id list), sometimes it even spits out the message that the pop-server does not support the UIDL command, the result always ends up being duplicate messages, eventually a full download of the server mail everytime kmail checks mail... I have never had that issue with pre -12 versions. The work around fix would be to remove downloaded messages from the server, but there are reasons that prohibit that for these accounts.
d.
I'm running opensuse 12.2 KDE4 and the KDEPIM 3.5 and I don't see any of these
problems - certainly i'm not getting messages about UIDL.
--
Bob Smits
Hello, Am Freitag 19 Juli 2013 schrieb kanenas:
sooo, it has been a while since I asked this question: is it possible to use kde3 kmail in suse12.xx, without kmail constantly losing track of previously downloaded mail from the server?
I'm using KMail3 on a 12.2-Box. Unfortunatly I'm not able to get my mails (pop3) since the last update (before a couple of days). Before it, this failure occured only sometimes. You see, that that is no good situation for me. Mail is an essential application for me (and others). I'm a KDE3 user for a very long time and would keeping it. Helga (I have no problems sending mails). -- ## Technik: [http://de.opensuse.org] ## Privat: [http://www.eschkitai.de] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
Sorry, just a curiosity. I use pine, so I have no experience with kmail. But, can't you use kmail from the KDE4 package? I use some of the KDE4 programs like okular and gwenview under the KDE3 desktop. Nobody has to be a purist. Just a thought. Gianluca On Sun, 21 Jul 2013, Helga Fischer wrote:
Hello,
Am Freitag 19 Juli 2013 schrieb kanenas:
sooo, it has been a while since I asked this question: is it possible to use kde3 kmail in suse12.xx, without kmail constantly losing track of previously downloaded mail from the server?
I'm using KMail3 on a 12.2-Box. Unfortunatly I'm not able to get my mails (pop3) since the last update (before a couple of days). Before it, this failure occured only sometimes.
You see, that that is no good situation for me. Mail is an essential application for me (and others).
I'm a KDE3 user for a very long time and would keeping it.
Helga
(I have no problems sending mails).
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----------------------------------------------------- Gianluca Interlandi, PhD gianluca@u.washington.edu +1 (206) 685 4435 http://artemide.bioeng.washington.edu/ Research Scientist at the Department of Bioengineering at the University of Washington, Seattle WA U.S.A. ----------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
Hello Gianluca, Am Sonntag 21 Juli 2013 schrieb Gianluca Interlandi:
Sorry, just a curiosity. I use pine, so I have no experience with kmail. But, can't you use kmail from the KDE4 package?
It will be a lot of work to migrate all my filters. There is no direct way to use mbox for storing mails. I don't know, what is akonadi doing. Filtering seems to be a great problem for kmail4. kmail3 just do that. kmail4 crashes if it will open a crypted mail while it's not finding a key.
I use some of the KDE4 programs like okular and gwenview under the KDE3 desktop. Nobody has to be a purist. Just a thought.
I like to use a couple of kde4 programs: konqueror, okular (very often; the best programm from the kde4 project), choqok (unfortunatly at the moment not able to talk with twitter, coming up version seems to get this ability back), kgpg4 (kde3 version is not usable for human beings, but programs do) and akgretor (daily!). Now I got my mails and I am able to write a answer for you. It is very crazy behaviour. Greetings, Helga -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
Hallo Helga! (I speak German, too, but keep this e-mail in english)
It will be a lot of work to migrate all my filters. There is no direct way to use mbox for storing mails. I don't know, what is akonadi doing. Filtering seems to be a great problem for kmail4. kmail3 just do that. kmail4 crashes if it will open a crypted mail while it's not finding a key.
Wow! So, kde4-kmail sounds a worse choice than kde3-kmail. One more reason why I still cannot motivate myself to use kde4. Even if I don't use kmail, it reminds me of the fact that kde4 is stripped of features of kde3 that I like in exchange of features that I don't need. Thanks for the update, Gianluca ----------------------------------------------------- Gianluca Interlandi, PhD gianluca@u.washington.edu +1 (206) 685 4435 http://artemide.bioeng.washington.edu/ Research Scientist at the Department of Bioengineering at the University of Washington, Seattle WA U.S.A. ----------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag 21 Juli 2013 schrieb Gianluca Interlandi:
Hallo Helga! (I speak German, too, but keep this e-mail in english)
It will be a lot of work to migrate all my filters. There is no direct way to use mbox for storing mails. I don't know, what is akonadi doing. Filtering seems to be a great problem for kmail4. kmail3 just do that. kmail4 crashes if it will open a crypted mail while it's not finding a key.
Wow! So, kde4-kmail sounds a worse choice than kde3-kmail. One more reason why I still cannot motivate myself to use kde4.
KDE4 has nice features, but a user, that work for years with KDE3, won't loose the old features (for me: Externe Fensterleiste - sorry, I don't know, what is it in english and kmail3).
Even if I don't use kmail, it reminds me of the fact that kde4 is stripped of features of kde3 that I like in exchange of features that I don't need.
Me too. Now I updated my system from 12.2 up to 12.3. Now KMail3 works fine. Perhaps, it will be working still ahead without these errors fetching mails. Helga -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
KDE4 has nice features, but a user, that work for years with KDE3, won't loose the old features (for me: Externe Fensterleiste - sorry, I don't know, what is it in english and kmail3).
Externe Fensterleiste - I guess "external taskbar"? I didn't knoe it was possible. How do you do that? Do you mind please sharing? Thanks! Gianluca
Even if I don't use kmail, it reminds me of the fact that kde4 is stripped of features of kde3 that I like in exchange of features that I don't need.
Me too.
Now I updated my system from 12.2 up to 12.3. Now KMail3 works fine. Perhaps, it will be working still ahead without these errors fetching mails.
Helga
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Hi Gianluca, Am Montag 22 Juli 2013 schrieb Gianluca Interlandi:
KDE4 has nice features, but a user, that work for years with KDE3, won't loose the old features (for me: Externe Fensterleiste - sorry, I don't know, what is it in english and kmail3).
Externe Fensterleiste - I guess "external taskbar"?
Yes, that's it!
I didn't knoe it was possible. How do you do that? Do you mind please sharing?
The External Taskbar lists all open programs at the right edge on the top of my screen. Formerly it was positioned in the middle, this feature I lost during some update and so I used it at the left edge. The pendant of kde4 isn't really the same. But usable. Somewhere only odds are missing for KDE4. Helga -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
Am Montag 22 Juli 2013 schrieb Helga Fischer:
Hi Gianluca,
A little addition:
Am Montag 22 Juli 2013 schrieb Gianluca Interlandi:
KDE4 has nice features, but a user, that work for years with KDE3, won't loose the old features (for me: Externe Fensterleiste - sorry, I don't know, what is it in english and kmail3).
Externe Fensterleiste - I guess "external taskbar"?
Yes, that's it!
I didn't knoe it was possible. How do you do that? Do you mind please sharing?
The External Taskbar lists all open programs at the right edge on the top of my screen. Formerly it was positioned in the middle, this feature I lost during some update and so I used it at the left edge.
I'm using two screens. The external taskbar takes the middle of both screens, not the middle of one of them. So a choose the right edge on my mainscreen. KDE4 plasmoid takes the middle of my main screen. Helga -- ## Technik: [http://de.opensuse.org] ## Privat: [http://www.eschkitai.de] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org
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