[opensuse-kde3] logout options
Hi, new to the list, just tried to run kde3 in 11.4, succeeded doing so on both desktop and laptop:) both installs started with only an xfce install and a taboo on kdm and libstrigi, everything i want works *very* well:) trivia pointer, Dell's bcm4312 wifi works much better with the wl driver and makes wicd just fly in wifi connecting:). one item that could be improved, actually it probably is but i can't find it, is the logout options: On both the desktop and laptop, clicking on the leave button only pops up the "close session" option, there is no reboot or shutdown or suspend or hibernate option. how do these options go back in? thanks, d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 09 August 2011 22:35:19 kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
one item that could be improved, actually it probably is but i can't find it, is the logout options: On both the desktop and laptop, clicking on the leave button only pops up the "close session" option, there is no reboot or shutdown or suspend or hibernate option. how do these options go back in?
This is because you use non-KDE3 session manager (possibly the one left from Xfce). To enable shutdown and other option you have to use kdm3 session manager. To do this open Yast->System->Editor of /etc/sysconfig->Desktop->Display manager->DISPLAYMANAGER and change it to "kdm3". -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 09 August 2011 09:50:10 pm Ilya Chernykh wrote:
On Tuesday 09 August 2011 22:35:19 kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
one item that could be improved, actually it probably is but i can't find it, is the logout options: On both the desktop and laptop, clicking on the leave button only pops up the "close session" option, there is no reboot or shutdown or suspend or hibernate option. how do these options go back in?
This is because you use non-KDE3 session manager (possibly the one left from Xfce). To enable shutdown and other option you have to use kdm3 session manager. To do this open Yast->System->Editor of /etc/sysconfig->Desktop->Display manager->DISPLAYMANAGER
and change it to "kdm3".
Thanks, will try that! btw, GREAT JOB Ilya:))) it really is a lot of fun to use 11.4 w. kde3, it really flies:))) for a moment i had also tried Trinity Ubuntu, alas, nepomuck and akonadi and a bunch of other crap was allready built in, so it was quickly removed:) I hope there are no plans for forcing us into indexers and weird caches ( and plasmoids and activities and widgets and so on) in kde3, are there? but udev WILL come here, right? thanks again, d. btw, ihave tabooed libstrigi and kde4's kdm. will that be enough to keep *any* and *all* kde4 components from kde4 uninstalled? ideally i would like it to be that not one kde4 component has a home in my system. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 10 August 2011 12:58:23 kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
This is because you use non-KDE3 session manager (possibly the one left from Xfce). To enable shutdown and other option you have to use kdm3 session manager. To do this open Yast->System->Editor of /etc/sysconfig->Desktop->Display manager->DISPLAYMANAGER
and change it to "kdm3".
Thanks, will try that! btw, GREAT JOB Ilya:))) it really is a lot of fun to use 11.4 w. kde3, it really flies:))) for a moment i had also tried Trinity Ubuntu, alas, nepomuck and akonadi and a bunch of other crap was allready built in, so it was quickly removed:) I hope there are no plans for forcing us into indexers and weird caches ( and plasmoids and activities and widgets and so on) in kde3, are there? but udev WILL come here, right?
I cannot talk for the Trinity team, but removing the hal dependency and moving to use udisks is essential. As you know the next openSUSE release will not include hal which is needed for normal operation of KDE3 (i.e. detecting and automounting removable media).
thanks again, d. btw, ihave tabooed libstrigi and kde4's kdm. will that be enough to keep *any* and *all* kde4 components from kde4 uninstalled?
Better just taboo kdelibs4 (under Ubuntu the package has different name!). Or you even can taboo Qt4 altogether, but then you'll have to use a GTK version of Yast (with kde3-gtk-qt-engine the look of GTK applications can be customized to be the same as of Qt3 applications).
ideally i would like it to be that not one kde4 component has a home in my system.
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On 2011/08/10 13:10 (GMT+0400) Ilya Chernykh composed:
I cannot talk for the Trinity team, but removing the hal dependency and moving to use udisks is essential. As you know the next openSUSE release will not include hal which is needed for normal operation of KDE3 (i.e. detecting and automounting removable media).
Wouldn't problems like this be easier solved by investing some or most of the KDE3 time you spend now in building Trinity packages for openSUSE instead? I installed Kubuntu 10.04 on a system a few days ago with Trinity, and I can't see any reason not to upgrade to Trinity, quite unlike switching from openSUSE to *buntu. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 10 August 2011 19:21:58 Felix Miata wrote:
I cannot talk for the Trinity team, but removing the hal dependency and moving to use udisks is essential. As you know the next openSUSE release will not include hal which is needed for normal operation of KDE3 (i.e. detecting and automounting removable media).
Wouldn't problems like this be easier solved by investing some or most of the KDE3 time you spend now in building Trinity packages for openSUSE instead?
And how this can help? :-) Does Trinity have a udisks backend about which we do not know? :-) Even if it had why we cannot add it to our packages as a patch?
I installed Kubuntu 10.04 on a system a few days ago with Trinity, and I can't see any reason not to upgrade to Trinity, quite unlike switching from openSUSE to *buntu.
Upgrade :-) This is not prohibited. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/08/10 22:48 (GMT+0400) Ilya Chernykh composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
I cannot talk for the Trinity team, but removing the hal dependency and moving to use udisks is essential. As you know the next openSUSE release will not include hal which is needed for normal operation of KDE3 (i.e. detecting and automounting removable media).
Wouldn't problems like this be easier solved by investing some or most of the KDE3 time you spend now in building Trinity packages for openSUSE instead?
And how this can help? :-) Does Trinity have a udisks backend about which we do not know? :-) Even if it had why we cannot add it to our packages as a patch?
I'm not a developer, just a KDE user. However, from what I can tell, KDE3 is merely being sustained, while resources are committed to evolving Trinity to whatever extent is required to keep up with support system evolution, e.g. hal being replaced by udisks.
I installed Kubuntu 10.04 on a system a few days ago with Trinity, and I can't see any reason not to upgrade to Trinity, quite unlike switching from openSUSE to *buntu.
Upgrade :-) This is not prohibited.
Upgrade what? To trinity? Gladly, if there were RPMs to install in openSUSE, which AFAIK do not yet exist. :-( To *buntu? That wouldn't be an upgrade. :-p -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 10 August 2011 22:56:40 Felix Miata wrote:
Wouldn't problems like this be easier solved by investing some or most of the KDE3 time you spend now in building Trinity packages for openSUSE instead?
And how this can help? :-) Does Trinity have a udisks backend about which we do not know? :-) Even if it had why we cannot add it to our packages as a patch?
I'm not a developer, just a KDE user. However, from what I can tell, KDE3 is merely being sustained, while resources are committed to evolving Trinity to whatever extent is required to keep up with support system evolution, e.g. hal being replaced by udisks.
Once Trinity is integrated with udisks just give me a link to the patch ;-)
installed Kubuntu 10.04 on a system a few days ago with Trinity, and I can't see any reason not to upgrade to Trinity, quite unlike switching from openSUSE to *buntu.
Upgrade :-) This is not prohibited.
Upgrade what?
To trinity? Gladly, if there were RPMs to install in openSUSE, which AFAIK do not yet exist. :-(
Make them. It is not prohibited either. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/08/10 15:51 (GMT+0400) Ilya Chernykh composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
To trinity? Gladly, if there were RPMs to install in openSUSE, which AFAIK do not yet exist. :-(
Make them. It is not prohibited either.
I see this written all the time in mailing lists, as if everyone making such a statement as I did had no idea this was FOSS, _and_ had both inclination to learn how to build, and ample supply of round tuits in excess of todos. My todos vastly overwhelm my round tuit supply, while my interest in learning the build process is for all practical purposes non-existent. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 10 August 2011 08:56:40 am Felix Miata wrote:
On 2011/08/10 22:48 (GMT+0400) Ilya Chernykh composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
I cannot talk for the Trinity team, but removing the hal dependency and moving to use udisks is essential. As you know the next openSUSE release will not include hal which is needed for normal operation of KDE3 (i.e. detecting and automounting removable media).
Wouldn't problems like this be easier solved by investing some or most of the KDE3 time you spend now in building Trinity packages for openSUSE instead?
And how this can help? :-) Does Trinity have a udisks backend about which we do not know? :-) Even if it had why we cannot add it to our packages as a patch?
I'm not a developer, just a KDE user. However, from what I can tell, KDE3 is merely being sustained, while resources are committed to evolving Trinity to whatever extent is required to keep up with support system evolution, e.g. hal being replaced by udisks.
is that the same as udev? (that should let you know how little i care to know about under the hood shtuff:)) at any rate, don't Ilya's posts seem to indicate that there is an effort to resolve that for kde3, no?
I installed Kubuntu 10.04 on a system a few days ago with Trinity, and I can't see any reason not to upgrade to Trinity, quite unlike switching from openSUSE to *buntu.
i tried trinity kubuntu in the 10.10 version. it had akonadi, keyrings,
kwallets, nepomuk (or whatever way that stoopid thing is spelled) and so on,
in short it was loaded with too many of the things i despise in kde4! after
the third time i was interrupted by the message that i had to install some
lib in order to make nepomuk functional, i decided it was enough and
installed 11.4 with xfce, then raised it to kde3:).
d.
On 2011/08/10 19:00 (GMT-1000) kanenas@hawaii.rr.com composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
I installed Kubuntu 10.04 on a system a few days ago with Trinity, and I can't see any reason not to upgrade to Trinity, quite unlike switching from openSUSE to *buntu.
i tried trinity kubuntu in the 10.10 version. it had akonadi, keyrings, kwallets, nepomuk (or whatever way that stoopid thing is spelled) and so on, in short it was loaded with too many of the things i despise in kde4!
I didn't get anything I didn't expect, but I've stopped accepting default installs. Instead, I install minimal, then install using norecommends/nosuggests only as much of KDE as it takes to get a desktop to open, then add only what I plan to use, none of which includes replication of SeaMonkey functions like IRC, addressbook or email, or MC functions like search, edit, view, ftp or file management. I don't remember seeing any evidence of akonadi, keyring, kwallet or nepomuk in my Trinity installation, same as in my KDE3 installations. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 11 August 2011 09:00:00 kanenas@hawaii.rr.com wrote:
i tried trinity kubuntu in the 10.10 version. it had akonadi, keyrings, kwallets, nepomuk (or whatever way that stoopid thing is spelled) and so on, in short it was loaded with too many of the things i despise in kde4! after the third time i was interrupted by the message that i had to install some lib in order to make nepomuk functional, i decided it was enough and installed 11.4 with xfce, then raised it to kde3:).
Actually Trinity do not require all that stuff. It is not integrated with Akonadi and Nepomuk. It is just that they have broken packages in the repository with incorrect dependencies. They pull in some KDE4 components instead of Trinity ones possibly because of similar name of the package. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+help@opensuse.org
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