Hi Mark and Felix, Can you please say more about this? Are you still able to start KDE3? Thanks, Gianluca On Tue, 24 Jan 2017, Mark Goldstein wrote:

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 8:19 AM, Felix Miata wrote:

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This occurs every boot since updates just performed on 42.1. which included update from kernel-default-4.1.36-41.1.x86_64 to kernel-default-4.1.36-44.1.x86_64. Usually on boot when I see the greeter I switch to vtty3 to do a little manual maintenance as root before normal user login. It now takes quite some time before the waiting on display-manager.service start message to clear before I see a login prompt, even though the display-manager.service has obviously gotten the greeter going successfully.

Journal excerpt: Jan 23 00:45:02 00srv systemd[1]: Stopped User Manager for UID 0. Jan 23 00:45:02 00srv systemd[1]: Stopping user-0.slice. Jan 23 00:45:02 00srv systemd[1]: Removed slice user-0.slice. Jan 23 00:45:31 00srv systemd[1]: display-manager.service start operation timed out. Terminating. Jan 23 00:45:31 00srv systemd[1]: Failed to start X Display Manager. Jan 23 00:45:31 00srv systemd[1]: Unit display-manager.service entered failed state. Jan 23 00:45:31 00srv systemd[1]: Starting Graphical Interface. Jan 23 00:45:31 00srv systemd[1]: Reached target Graphical Interface.

Anyone else now see this?

I do not use 42.1 much, just install updates, so I have not noticed this. But now I've checked my "messages" file (I installed syslog) and I see something similar, though not exactly the same:

2017-01-24T17:30:01.212032+02:00 pc systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 0. 2017-01-24T17:30:11.067265+02:00 pc systemd[1]: display-manager.service start operation timed out. Terminating. 2017-01-24T17:30:11.071330+02:00 pc systemd[1]: Failed to start X Display Manager. 2017-01-24T17:30:11.071516+02:00 pc systemd[1]: Unit display-manager.service entered failed state. 2017-01-24T17:30:11.071651+02:00 pc systemd[1]: Starting Graphical Interface. 2017-01-24T17:30:11.072435+02:00 pc systemd[1]: Reached target Graphical Interface.

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Dear all, I installed Leap 42.1. I decided to select KDE, which refers to plasma5, as default during installation. I got the plasma5 kdm. Then I logged in remotely and installed the KDE3 packages, kdebase3-session, etc. I then restarted the X server and tried to login to KDE3 by selecting it in the drop down list, but instead it took me back to the kdm login screen. I switched to runlevel 3 and set WINDOWMANAGER to /usr/bin/startkde3. I also had to set the setuid for Xorg to use startx. At the first login attempt, KDE3 launched but then crashed. At the second login attempt, it worked, but it seems to get mixed up with plasma. The plasma panel appears below kicker and I get some of plasma widgets on the screen. I would appreciate any help from this mailing list. How do I prevent plasma from interfering in the KDE3 session? Would it be better to switch the desktop manager from plasma to KDE3 and how do I do that best? These are the KDE3 packages that I installed: kdebase3-session kdebase3-apps kdebase3-nsplugin kdebase3-SuSE kdebase3-SuSE-branding-openSUSE kdeartwork3 misc-console kdeartwork3-xscreensaver kde3-kcm_gtk (kdebase3-workspace was automatically selected) I also need to add that the plasma desktop manager does not let me login to any window manager, I tried LXDE, Xfce and TWM next to KDE3. I would appreciate any help! Thanks! Gianluca ----------------------------------------------------- Gianluca Interlandi, PhD gianluca@u.washington.edu +1 (206) 685 4435 http://artemide.bioeng.washington.edu/ Research Assistant Professor at the Department of Bioengineering at the University of Washington, Seattle WA U.S.A. ----------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-kde3+owner@opensuse.org

Hi Felix, Thanks for the answer. kdebase3-runtime is already installed, it was automatically selected. I will try out your suggestions about switching display manager. I'm not sure whether the problems with the current display manager could be due to the noveau instead of nvidia driver. If I uninstall plasma5-session do I still get applications like okular? Also, you mean startkde3 for DEFAULT_WM? These are my kdebase3 packages: rpm -qa | grep kdebase3 | sort kdebase3-3.5.10.1-325.1.x86_64 kdebase3-apps-3.5.10.1-325.1.x86_64 kdebase3-ksysguardd-3.5.10.1-325.1.x86_64 kdebase3-nsplugin-3.5.10.1-325.1.x86_64 kdebase3-runtime-3.5.10.1-325.1.x86_64 kdebase3-session-3.5.10.1-325.1.x86_64 kdebase3-SuSE-11.3-117.1.x86_64 kdebase3-SuSE-branding-openSUSE-11.3-117.1.x86_64 kdebase3-SuSE-lang-11.3-117.1.noarch kdebase3-workspace-3.5.10.1-325.1.x86_64 Thanks! Gianluca On Thu, 26 Jan 2017, Felix Miata wrote:

Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2017-01-26 17:24 (UTC-0800):

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I installed Leap 42.1. I decided to select KDE, which refers to plasma5, as default during installation. I got the plasma5 kdm. Then I logged in remotely and installed the KDE3 packages, kdebase3-session, etc. I then restarted the X server and tried to login to KDE3 by selecting it in the drop down list, but instead it took me back to the kdm login screen. I switched to runlevel 3 and set WINDOWMANAGER to /usr/bin/startkde3. I also had to set the setuid for Xorg to use startx. At the first login attempt, KDE3 launched but then crashed. At the second login attempt, it worked, but it seems to get mixed up with plasma. The plasma panel appears below kicker and I get some of plasma widgets on the screen. I would appreciate any help from this mailing list.

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How do I prevent plasma from interfering in the KDE3 session?

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Would it be better to switch the desktop manager from plasma to KDE3 and how do I do that best?

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These are the KDE3 packages that I installed:

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kdebase3-session kdebase3-apps kdebase3-nsplugin kdebase3-SuSE kdebase3-SuSE-branding-openSUSE kdeartwork3 misc-console kdeartwork3-xscreensaver kde3-kcm_gtk (kdebase3-workspace was automatically selected)

kdebase3-runtime needs to be installed:

# rpm -qa kdebase3 | sort kdebase3-3.5.10.1-325.1.x86_64 kdebase3-SuSE-11.3-117.1.x86_64 kdebase3-SuSE-branding-openSUSE-11.3-117.1.x86_64 kdebase3-SuSE-lang-11.3-117.1.noarch kdebase3-apps-3.5.10.1-325.1.x86_64 kdebase3-kdm-3.5.10.1-325.1.x86_64 kdebase3-ksysguardd-3.5.10.1-325.1.x86_64 kdebase3-runtime-3.5.10.1-325.1.x86_64 kdebase3-session-3.5.10.1-325.1.x86_64 kdebase3-workspace-3.5.10.1-325.1.x86_64

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I also need to add that the plasma desktop manager does not let me login to any window manager, I tried LXDE, Xfce and TWM next to KDE3.

I'm pretty sure your login manager having chosen KDE at install time is sddm, not kdm. In any event, if KDE3 is going to be your default DE, I suggest installing kdebase3-kdm, then changing /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager to contain DISPLAYMANAGER="kdm3" and /etc/sysconfig/windowmanager to contain DEFAULT_WM="startkde". Those are what my 42.1/KDE3 have.

If you don't expect to want to run a Plasma session, uninstall plasma5-session. That way there shouldn't be a Plasma session to get mixed up with a KDE3 session. The only plasma* packages installed here are two branding packages. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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I removed plasma5-session and moved ~/.kde and ~/.kde4 to a hidden place. I also removed {/var/tmp/kdecache,/tmp/ksocket,/tmp/kde}-username. I logged in and it looks better, but I still get the plasma taskbar below kicker. What package would I need to remove to get rid of it? Thanks, Gianluca On Thu, 26 Jan 2017, Felix Miata wrote:

Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2017-01-26 18:13 (UTC-0800):

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Thanks for the answer. kdebase3-runtime is already installed, it was automatically selected. I will try out your suggestions about switching display manager. I'm not sure whether the problems with the current display manager could be due to the noveau instead of nvidia driver. Highly unlikely.

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If I uninstall plasma5-session do I still get applications like okular?

The KDE people seem to have made a big deal about Plasma Desktop and KDE apps being independent of each other. Okular is an app. You could run it in Gnome AFAIK. Plasma the session is not required to be able to run Okular. That kind of requirement would have Firefox or Gimp unable to run except in a Gnome session.

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Also, you mean startkde3 for DEFAULT_WM?

No: # which startkde /opt/kde3/bin/startkde # which startkde3 /usr/bin/startkde3 # grep start /etc/sysconfig/windowmanager DEFAULT_WM="startkde" # ll /usr/share/xsessions/* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 172 Oct 25 2015 /usr/share/xsessions/icewm.desktop -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3904 Oct 23 09:22 /usr/share/xsessions/kde.desktop

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Hi Felix, I moved the entire .config to a different folder. The taskbar still comes up. I also have other problems like kcontrol cannot show any previews, like for the Window Decorations. Did you install KDE3 on 42.1 doing a minimal X installation? I have another question: I would like to find the kwin-decor-suse2 package but I think that it is no longer included in the latest KDE3 repositories. Is there a way to access KDE3 repositories older than 13.1? I installed kdebase3-kdm and now I have a working display manager. Thanks, Gianluca On Thu, 26 Jan 2017, Felix Miata wrote:

Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2017-01-26 20:39 (UTC-0800):

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I removed plasma5-session and moved ~/.kde and ~/.kde4 to a hidden place. I also removed {/var/tmp/kdecache,/tmp/ksocket,/tmp/kde}-username. I logged in and it looks better, but I still get the plasma taskbar below kicker. What package would I need to remove to get rid of it?

I don't know. Someone on the [opensuse-kde] list ought to know.

In the meantime, Plasma 5 settings are kept in various locations in ~/.config/. Getting rid of those should make that extra taskbar go away. Probably

~/.config/plasma* and ~/.config/k*

should do it without damaging anything you care about. If that turns out not to be enough, try those there that begin startup and systemsettings. ~/.config/session and ~/.config/plasma-workspace also belong to Plasma 5. I don't think KDE3 uses anything in ~/.config/ except Trolltech.conf and menus. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)

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Hi Ilya, Sorry, I'm confused. How can I download it? Gianluca On Fri, 27 Jan 2017, Ilya Chernykh wrote:

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I moved the entire .config to a different folder. The taskbar still comes up. I also have other problems like kcontrol cannot show any previews, like for the Window Decorations. Did you install KDE3 on 42.1 doing a minimal X installation?

I have another question: I would like to find the kwin-decor-suse2 package but I think that it is no longer included in the latest KDE3 repositories.

Why do you claim it is not included?

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I moved the entire .config to a different folder. Bad idea. ~/.config is your FHS standard directory, not Plasma's. KDE5 devs

Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2017-01-26 21:31 (UTC-0800): putting their configs in root of ~/.config instead of ~/.config/plasma/ was inept.

The taskbar still comes up.

I also have other problems like kcontrol cannot show any previews, like for the Window Decorations. I don't remember that subject. I use defaults as much as possible. If something

Plasma's? Time to try asking on [opensuse-kde], or you could try picking off plasma5 packages one at a time until it stops, maybe starting with plasma5-workspace. like that doesn't seem to work, I try applying, then reverting if I don't like result.

Did you install KDE3 on 42.1 doing a minimal X installation?

Shortly following a minimal X installation, after setting: zypp.conf: solver.onlyRequires = true zypper.conf: installRecommends = no

I have another question: I would like to find the kwin-decor-suse2 package but I think that it is no longer included in the latest KDE3 repositories.

# zypper se -s suse2 | kde3-kwinstyle-suse2 | package | 0.4.1-56.1 | x86_64 | KDE3 | kde3-kwinstyle-suse2-debuginfo | package | 0.4.1-56.1 | x86_64 | KDE3 | kde3-kwinstyle-suse2-debugsource | package | 0.4.1-56.1 | x86_64 | KDE3 Do any of those look like what you are missing? Sometimes names change. Ilya seems to say what you seek still exists.

Is there a way to access KDE3 repositories older than 13.1?

I installed kdebase3-kdm and now I have a working display manager.

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Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2017-01-26 22:35 (UTC-0800):

Thanks I found kde3-kwinstyle-suse2.

:-)

Do you have any idea whether TDE allows plasma to be installed alongside?

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