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[opensuse-gnome] VOTE: Package DownThemAll Plugin with Firefox - [URGENT]

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Sankar P

31 Aug 2009 31 Aug '09

17:03

Hi, As suggested by Captain Magnus, I started this survey to see what you people feel about installing DownThemAll plugin (a download manager) for Firefox by default. Link to Survey: http://en.opensuse.org/Surveys You have to click on the link under "Currently active survey(s)" for voting. More information about the plugin can be found in: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/201 and in http://www.downthemall.net/howto/features/ Survey closes on September 6th, 2009. -- Sankar P http://psankar.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

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Andreas Jaeger

1 Sep 1 Sep

07:56

On Monday 31 August 2009 19:03:23 Sankar P wrote:

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Hi,

As suggested by Captain Magnus, I started this survey to see what you people feel about installing DownThemAll plugin (a download manager) for Firefox by default.

What I suggest to do is to bundle a couple of usefull plugins into a separate package - and install that one. We should give the users the option to remove the complete bundle in an easy way. And if that happens, I'm for a default install. Otherwise - if it's part of the Firefox main package - I'm against it. So, I voted "no" for now, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

Timo Hoenig

08:06

On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 09:56 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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What I suggest to do is to bundle a couple of usefull plugins into a separate package - and install that one. We should give the users the option to remove the complete bundle in an easy way. And if that happens, I'm for a default install. Otherwise - if it's part of the Firefox main package - I'm against it.

Indeed. Is there a reason for not going further and package such specific plugins as separate packages? I assume it would be straight forward to have something like --- beagle.spec 2009-09-01 10:01:02.647730000 +0200 +++ beagle.spec 2009-09-01 10:01:28.671340000 +0200 @@ -63,6 +63,7 @@ Requires: /usr/bin/pdftotext Requires: %{name}-lang = %{version} Recommends: cron +Recommends: beagle-firefox-plugin %description Beagle is a search tool that ransacks your personal information space That should pull in the plugin for all Beagle lovers. Thanks, Timo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Vincent Untz

09:31

Le mardi 01 septembre 2009, à 10:06 +0200, Timo Hoenig a écrit :

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On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 09:56 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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What I suggest to do is to bundle a couple of usefull plugins into a separate package - and install that one. We should give the users the option to remove the complete bundle in an easy way. And if that happens, I'm for a default install. Otherwise - if it's part of the Firefox main package - I'm against it.

Indeed. Is there a reason for not going further and package such specific plugins as separate packages? I assume it would be straight forward to have something like

The beagle extension is already a separate package :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Sankar P

08:44

New subject: [opensuse-gnome] VOTE: Package DownThemAll Plugin with Firefox - [URGENT]

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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On Monday 31 August 2009 19:03:23 Sankar P wrote:

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Hi,

As suggested by Captain Magnus, I started this survey to see what you people feel about installing DownThemAll plugin (a download manager) for Firefox by default.

What I suggest to do is to bundle a couple of usefull plugins into a separate package - and install that one. We should give the users the option to remove the complete bundle in an easy way. And if that happens, I'm for a default install. Otherwise - if it's part of the Firefox main package - I'm against it.

So, I voted "no" for now,

I think installing a firefox-recommended-plugins-bundle is a good option. If that is the case, I hope your vote can be taken as a YES for DownThemAll for such a bundle. I believe some plugin for video-downloading, Greasemonkey, DownThemAll, Beagle-firefox, chatzilla (and any other popular plugin ?) will make a good bundle. However I dont know if there will be other issues bcos of packaging the plugins as a bundle. Someone with more packaging knowledge will be better to make that decision. Sure, it looks attractive in my opinion. -- Sankar P http://psankar.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek

11:02

On 01.09.2009 10:44, Sankar P wrote:

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On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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On Monday 31 August 2009 19:03:23 Sankar P wrote:

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Hi,

As suggested by Captain Magnus, I started this survey to see what you people feel about installing DownThemAll plugin (a download manager) for Firefox by default.

What I suggest to do is to bundle a couple of usefull plugins into a separate package - and install that one. We should give the users the option to remove the complete bundle in an easy way. And if that happens, I'm for a default install. Otherwise - if it's part of the Firefox main package - I'm against it.

So, I voted "no" for now,

I think installing a firefox-recommended-plugins-bundle is a good option. If that is the case, I hope your vote can be taken as a YES for DownThemAll for such a bundle.

I believe some plugin for video-downloading, Greasemonkey, DownThemAll, Beagle-firefox, chatzilla (and any other popular plugin ?) will make a good bundle.

However I dont know if there will be other issues bcos of packaging the plugins as a bundle. Someone with more packaging knowledge will be better to make that decision. Sure, it looks attractive in my opinion.

I'm personally against including such plugins as they change quick and packagers usually don't have time to track new releases down and update their packages. The same applies to usual packages, but that's another story. I'm not against creating separate package with addons. It sounds reasonable to pack popular addons and make them easily removable, BUT... If they appear in Firefox as unremovable then what a user is supposed to do? Firefox should be tightly integrated with PackageKit to make possible to tell user, that some addons are included in a package, which needs to be removed to remove addons from the browser. Huh, what a complicated essay. I hope you get it. If you wanna ship addons as package, them let user know about that where he expects to find addon removing possibility. Ideally, package manager GUI would contain a tab called "addons" listing all of them from many different apps, but it's again another story. Oh, and to find out what addons you need to package, take a look at Firefox Addons webpage. The popular section or so. Or do... a survey. -- Best regards, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek http://blog.jakubrusinek.pl/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Sankar P

11:39

New subject: [opensuse-gnome] VOTE: Package DownThemAll Plugin with Firefox - [URGENT]

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:

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On 01.09.2009 10:44, Sankar P wrote:

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On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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On Monday 31 August 2009 19:03:23 Sankar P wrote:

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Hi,

As suggested by Captain Magnus, I started this survey to see what you people feel about installing DownThemAll plugin (a download manager) for Firefox by default.

What I suggest to do is to bundle a couple of usefull plugins into a separate package - and install that one. We should give the users the option to remove the complete bundle in an easy way. And if that happens, I'm for a default install. Otherwise - if it's part of the Firefox main package - I'm against it.

So, I voted "no" for now,

I think installing a firefox-recommended-plugins-bundle is a good option. If that is the case, I hope your vote can be taken as a YES for DownThemAll for such a bundle.

I believe some plugin for video-downloading, Greasemonkey, DownThemAll, Beagle-firefox, chatzilla (and any other popular plugin ?) will make a good bundle.

However I dont know if there will be other issues bcos of packaging the plugins as a bundle. Someone with more packaging knowledge will be better to make that decision. Sure, it looks attractive in my opinion.

I'm personally against including such plugins as they change quick and packagers usually don't have time to track new releases down and update their packages.

The same applies to usual packages, but that's another story.

I'm not against creating separate package with addons. It sounds reasonable to pack popular addons and make them easily removable, BUT... If they appear in Firefox as unremovable then what a user is supposed to do? Firefox should be tightly integrated with PackageKit to make possible to tell user, that some addons are included in a package, which needs to be removed to remove addons from the browser.

Huh, what a complicated essay.

I hope you get it.

If you wanna ship addons as package, them let user know about that where he expects to find addon removing possibility.

Ideally, package manager GUI would contain a tab called "addons" listing all of them from many different apps, but it's again another story.

Oh, and to find out what addons you need to package, take a look at Firefox Addons webpage. The popular section or so. Or do... a survey.

AFAIK, firefox has a good plugin framework that automatically pulls in updates whenever plugins receive any updates. Also, even if we package and isntall the plugins, the user wuill be able to disable any unwanted plugin on the first run. So no fear :-) -- Sankar P http://psankar.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Wolfgang Rosenauer

12:15

New subject: [opensuse-gnome] VOTE: Package DownThemAll Plugin with Firefox - [URGENT]

Am 01.09.2009 13:39, schrieb Sankar P:

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AFAIK, firefox has a good plugin framework that automatically pulls in updates whenever plugins receive any updates.

Yes, this method won't work for system installed extensions though. If we install an RPM with an addon it is out of control of Firefox' update mechanism. You could just disable it as a user. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

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Andreas Jaeger
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Timo Hoenig
Vincent Untz
Wolfgang Rosenauer